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Date: Tue Jan 23 10:28:50 PST 1996
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Hotrod Digest Tue Jan 23 10:28:50 PST 1996

Todays Topics:

Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions
Subject: subscription
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions
Subject: Re: Carb Epoxying???
Subject: Wow!!!
Subject: Honda Hawkgt info
Subject: Hi All - test!
Subject: Hawk for Sale
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions
Subject: Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions (SM2s)
Subject:  Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: tires
Subject:  Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline -Reply
Subject: Kosman Wheel Widening
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: tires
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: Frank's Trip & my driveway
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions
Subject: Sportmaxes
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: tires
Subject: Re: Frank's Trip & my driveway
Subject:  carbonara
Subject: Re: carbonara
Subject: Re: tires
Subject: Re: Party? Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline -Reply
Subject: Need 88 hawk engine case
Subject: Returned mail: warning: cannot send message for 4 hours
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: Rear brake line routing...
Subject: Re: Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline -Reply
Subject: Re: 700cc
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: Rear brake line routing...
Subject: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: 700cc
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: Frank's Trip & my driveway
Subject: Watanabe Racing tank
Subject: Thanx/tires/fender kit
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Fender Eliminator
Subject: Any Southern US Hawk riders?
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re[2]: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator
Subject: Paint, shmaint
Subject: Re: Thanx/tires/fender kit
Subject: Re: Party?  Over here even!
Subject: Re: Thanx/tires/fender kit
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank
Subject: East Coast Party
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions
Subject: Re: tires
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions
Subject: Paint, shmaint (fwd)
Subject: Re[2]: CBR Frontend Questions
Subject: Re: Paint, shmaint
Subject: Re: Paint, shmaint (fwd)
Subject: Wisc/Illinois riders ?
Subject: Re: Rear brake line routing...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Bay Area paint shop recommendation?
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator
Subject: Re: Cal Emission Sys
Subject: I'm back... I need a down pipe???
Subject: Sprockets/Chain
Subject: 900rr shock
Subject: Re: 900rr shock
Subject: Re: Paint, shmaint (fwd)
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator
Subject: Re: Thanx/tires/fender kit
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
Subject: Re: Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline -Reply
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator
Subject: Re: 900rr shock
Subject: Fwd: Watanabe tank
Subject: Re: Rear Brake routing
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator
Subject: East Coast Party (fwd)
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Fwd: Watanabe tank
Subject: Re[2]: Fwd: Watanabe tank
Subject: Re: Fwd: Watanabe tank
Subject: Re[2]: Fwd: Watanabe tank
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Hawk Mods.
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Paint, shmaint
Subject: Re: Paint, shmaint
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fwd: Watanabe tank
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fwd: Watanabe tank
Subject: Re: 700cc
Subject: Re: 700cc
Subject: Re: 700cc
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: East Coast Party (fwd)
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Super Sunday
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Fender...eliminated!
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: FOR SALE
Subject: Wantanabe tanks, continued...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines
Subject: that damned CF
Subject: Re: that damned CF, again
Subject: fs:racehawk in SF
Subject: Re: Wantanabe tanks, continued...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: 900rr shock
Subject: no fuel
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Paint, shmaint
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Watanabe no more
Subject: Polished Frame
Subject: CF Rear Section... Hubba hubba!
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines
Subject: RE: Hawk Mods.
Subject: RS250 ?
Subject: Re: Right side peg assembly? and a subscription
Subject: Re: Rear brake line routing...
Subject: Hawkstuff, of course! plus other stuff
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???
Subject: Re: Hawk Mods.
Subject: Re:Re:Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Mobil 1
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank... -Reply
Subject: Re: Mobil 1
Subject: RE: Mobil 1
Subject: Re[2]: Mobil 1
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mobil 1
Subject: RE: Mobil 1
Subject: Favorite Racing Mods
Subject: Re: Favorite Racing Mods
Subject: Re: EX/Hawk power
Subject: Re: Cal Emission Sys
Subject: Re: tires
Subject: SPAM ?
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: FOR SALE SOLD
Subject: RE: Mobil 1
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines
Subject: Richmond-Charlottesville Ride
Subject: Re: Favorite Racing Mods
Subject: Re: Cal Emission Sys
Subject: Factory Jet Kit
Subject: Poor Man's 916
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines
Subject: TBR's new Domain Name
Subject: Re: Watanabe no more
Subject: Re: Poor Man's 916
Subject: I am a wimp
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator
Subject: Re: Poor Man's 916
Subject: Re: I am a wimp
Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 5 days
Subject: Re: Favorite Racing Mods
Subject: Re: Cal Emission Sys
Subject: Matt, where are you?
Subject: tail section?
Subject: Re: Pipes / Drilling out Sliders
Subject: Re: Rear end stand (again)
Subject: 900 shock/Hawk spring
Subject: fiberglass
Subject: Re: no fuel
Subject: Re: Poor Man's 916
Subject: Re: Poor Man's 916
Subject: Re: I am a wimp
Subject: Poor mans 916
Subject: Register?
Subject: Re: fiberglass
Subject: Change of address
Subject: Re: 900 shock/Hawk spring
Subject: Re: Poor mans 916
Subject: Full Moon vs Jeff Leveroni
Subject: Re: Poor mans 916
Subject: Re: no fuel
Subject: Re:  I am a wimp
Subject: Re: Full Moon vs Jeff Leveroni
Subject: Re: fiberglass
Subject: Spring question
Subject: Re: Spring question
Subject: Re: Rear Turn Signals
Subject: Re: Rear Turn Signals
Subject: Re: Rear Turn Signals
Subject: Front Fairings
Subject: Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline
Subject: Re: Front Fairings
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: I am a wimp
Subject: Re:  Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline
Subject: Re[2]: Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline
Subject: CBR 1000 Bars
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline
Subject: near-classic Honda for sale
Subject: Left Side Exhaust ???
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???
Subject: parts
Subject: CBR1000F, anyone-anyone???
Subject: RS250 Okumura susp. ?
Subject: Re: Request for into
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???
Subject: Re: Rear Turn Signals
Subject: 'Okumura Susp' RS250 ?
Subject: Re: Rear Turn Signals
Subject: rs250
Subject:  Re: Request for into -Reply
Subject: East Coast Party
Subject: Re: East Coast Party
Subject: Re:CR500 Hawk
Subject: Hawk Mods.
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???
Subject: Re:CR500 Hawk
Subject: RE: Hawk Mods.
Subject: Re: Hawk Mods.
Subject: Re:CR500 Hawk
Subject: Right side peg assembly? and a subscription
Subject: List subscription
Subject: Chain Adjustment
Subject: Re: Chain Adjustment
Subject: more chain adj. stuff
Subject: Re: more chain adj. stuff
Subject: Re: Chain Adjustment
Subject: Re: Fender...eliminated!
Subject: Re: I am a wimp
Subject: Re: Chain Adjustment
Subject: Two Brothers Pipe for Sale
Subject: K&N Filter
Subject: Alternate rear blinker stems
Subject: Brake calipers
Subject: Hawk GT Mailing list
Subject: Re: CBR 1000 Bars
Subject: Re: Chain Adjustment
Subject:  Re: Chain Adjustment -Reply
Subject: Re[2]: Chain Adjustment
Subject: O-rings and WD-40
Subject: Re: O-rings and WD-40
Subject:  O-rings and WD-40 -Reply
Subject: Wax, was Re: O-rings and WD-40 -Reply
Subject: Re: O-rings and WD-40 -Reply
Subject: Re: O-rings and WD-40 -Reply
Subject: RE: Chain Adjustment
Subject: Re: Two Brothers Pipe for Sale
Subject: Sprockets -- O-rings and WD-40
Subject: Re: Sprockets -- O-rings and WD-40
Subject: chain/sprocket issues
Subject: Re: Two Brothers Pipe for Sale
Subject: Re: chain/sprocket issues
Subject: Re: chain/sprocket issues
Subject: Re: K&N Filter
Subject: Re: Alternate rear blinker stems
Subject:  Re: O-rings and WD-40 -Reply -Reply
Subject: Re: Brake calipers
Subject: Re: O-rings and WD-40 -Reply
Subject: Re: RS250 ?
Subject: Re: chain/sprocket issues
Subject: Re: K&N Filter
Subject:  Re: Questions on AWD, ABS, and locking the rear differential 
Subject: Re: K&N Filter and sorry
Subject: Re: Two Brothers Pipe for Sale
Subject: Re: Questions on AWD, ABS, and locking the rear differential 
Subject: Muzzy slip-on
Subject: Re: Muzzy slip-on
Subject: that $3500 motor that was for sale
Subject: sport rider
Subject: HawkGT Mailing list
Subject: Re: O-rings and WD-40
Subject: Report (and a question)
Subject: Re: that $3500 motor that was for sale
Subject: re:  $3500 Motor
Subject:  Hawk advice anyone?
Subject: EMC Shocks
Subject: Re: that damned CF
Subject: Re: Wantanabe tanks, continued...
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
Subject: Re: Factory Jet Kit
Subject: Re: Pipes / Drilling out Sliders
Subject: Re: Watanabe no more
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines
Subject: Re: Wantanabe tanks, continued...
Subject: Re: Questions on AWD, ABS, and locking the rear differential 
Subject: Transport options
Subject: Returned mail: User danb@acy1.digex.net doesn't have a valid shell for mailing to programs
Subject: subframe
Subject: Re: Transport options
Subject: RE: Exhaust Pipes...
Subject: Skylonda
Subject: Re: Transport options
Subject: Re: Watanabe no more
Subject: left exit TBR
Subject: Re: left exit TBR
Subject: Party:  Thanks for coming!
Subject: Re: Party:  Thanks for coming!
Subject: Re: Transport options
Subject: Re: Transport options
Subject: Rear Brake Line
Subject: HELP
Subject: ADD
Subject: Re: ADD
Subject: rear ss line done
Subject: desperately seeking Hawk
Subject: October 29th Ride (was party...)
Subject: RE: Pipes
Subject: Clip-ons and shorter cables
Subject: RE: Pipes
Subject: Another RaceHawk FS:
Subject: RE: Pipes
Subject: Gas tanks
Subject: RE: Pipes
Subject: New arrival...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Subject: Cheap Bike Hauler for Sale
Subject: Corbin Seats
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats
Subject: Re: Party-  Thanks for comin
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats
Subject: Re: October 29th Ride
Subject: mailing list
Subject: RE: Pipes
Subject: K&N Filter
Subject: RE: Corbin Seats
Subject: re: Pipe
Subject: Re: October 29th Ride
Subject: re: Pipe
Subject: two up on a Hawk
Subject: Re: two up on a Hawk
Subject: Re: Hawk advice anyone?
Subject: RE: Pipe
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats
Subject: Re: 
Subject: Re: left exit TBR
Subject: Re: left exit TBR
Subject: Re: New arrival...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Subject: Re: Pipes
Subject: Re: Clip-ons and shorter cables
Subject: test
Subject: disk lock faux pas
Subject: Re: Clip-ons and shorter cables
Subject: Re: disk lock faux pas
Subject: Re: disk lock faux pas
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: .orcad.com: non-recoverable error)
Subject: Returned Mail: Undeliverable
Subject: Returned Mail: Undeliverable
Subject: Re[2]: disk lock faux pas
Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Subject: Re: disk lock faux pas
Subject: Right Coast Ride Hawk pics online
Subject: Re: Re[2]: disk lock faux pas
Subject: Disk Lock Solution
Subject: Re: two up on a Hawk
Subject: Re: disk lock faux pas
Subject: stolen
Subject: RE: disk lock faux pas
Subject: Re: Clip-ons and shorter cables
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Subject: Hawk member list
Subject: Re: New arrival...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Subject: Re: No Subject
Subject: Stolen Hawk List
Subject: Re: disk lock faux pas
Subject: Re: ADD
Subject: Re: October 29th Ride
Subject: Fairing anyone???
Subject: Corbin Seat and TBR Pipe for sale...
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat and TBR Pipe for sale...
Subject: Re: Hawk member list
Subject: turnsignals/grab handles
Subject: Hawk for sale
Subject: Re: turnsignals/grab handles
Subject: east coast party
Subject: Re: turnsignals/grab handles
Subject: grab rails and turnsignals
Subject: Help!  split-fire problem
Subject: Returned Mail: Undeliverable
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
Subject: Returned Mail: Undeliverable
Subject: Re: Help!  split-fire problem
Subject: Doc Wong ride?
Subject: East coast hawkers unite
Subject: Re: Doc Wong ride?
Subject: Rear Spindle Removal
Subject: Re: Doc Wong ride?
Subject: Re: Rear Spindle Removal
Subject: TBR pipe for sale
Subject: Football and GP (no Hawk content) Re: Doc Wong ride?
Subject: Re[2]: Doc Wong ride?
Subject: Re: turnsignals/grab handles
Subject: Re: East coast hawkers unite
Subject: Re: Football and GP (no Hawk content) Re: Doc Wong ride?
Subject: Re: More Power?
Subject: Re: Hawk for sale
Subject: Re: corbin
Subject: Re: disk lock faux pas
Subject: Re: disk lock faux pas
Subject: Re: More Power?
Subject: Custom Throttle Cables
Subject: Spindle removal
Subject: pictures???
Subject: Re: Spindle removal
Subject: Rear Spindle SUCCESS!
Subject: Re: pictures???
Subject: Chain woes...
Subject: Removing the airbox snorkel
Subject: Re: stolen
Subject: Re: Removing the airbox snorkel
Subject: Re: Removing the airbox snorkel
Subject: CCS race of champions
Subject: Re: CCS race of champions
Subject: Re: Removing the airbox snorkel
Subject: Hawk Mailing List
Subject: Re: CCS race of champions
Subject: For Sale: Blue '88 Hawk $2400
Subject: 400 / 650
Subject: VFR cranks (was Re: More Power?)
Subject: EXhausts
Subject: Re: 400 / 650
Subject: (No Hawk Content) CYCLE NEWS Article
Subject: Re: (No Hawk Content) CYCLE NEWS Article
Subject: Re: (No Hawk Content) CYCLE NEWS Article
Subject: Re: (No Hawk Content) CYCLE NEWS Article
Subject: Re: (No Hawk Content) CYCLE NEWS Article
Subject: Re: Removing the airbox snorkel
Subject: Re: Removing the airbox snorkel 
Subject: RE: More Power?
Subject: Re: Removing the airbox snorkel 
Subject: Hawk List Questionairre (sp?)
Subject: Re: Hawk List Questionairre (sp?)
Subject: Re: Hawk List Questionairre (sp?)
Subject: RE: More Power?
Subject: RE: More Power?
Subject: East Coast Hawks, Virginia Ride
Subject: RE: More Power?
Subject: Re: CCS race of champions
Subject: Re: VFR cranks (was Re: More Power?)
Subject: Re: EXhausts
Subject: baywatch...yup baywatch
Subject: Re: VFR cranks (was Re: More Power?)
Subject:  Real Hawk Wish List
Subject: Re: Real Hawk Wish List
Subject:       new hawk owner
Subject: Re: new hawk owner
Subject: Re: baywatch...yup baywatch
Subject: The list grows...
Subject: List of the members
Subject: Re[2]: baywatch...yup baywatch
Subject: Re: Re[2]: baywatch...yup baywatch
Subject: Filter Q's
Subject: 3am Blind Ride (no moon, either!)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: baywatch...yup baywatch
Subject: Re: Re[2]: baywatch...yup baywatch
Subject: Re: 3am Blind Ride (no moon, either!)
Subject: Re: baywatch...yup baywatch
Subject: RC31 setup - extra copies
Subject: "Clinking" Noise
Subject: Cincy Hawk 4 Sale
Subject: Forks and Hawks and CB-1s and F2s
Subject: RE: More Power? 
Subject: Re: Real Hawk Wish List
Subject: Aftermarket speedo cables???
Subject: Hawk fork legs...
Subject: FOR SALE...
Subject: Re: baywatch...yup baywatch
Subject: Interesting rider tricks
Subject: Yet another Hawk for Sale
Subject: RE: 3am Blind Ride (no moon, either!)
Subject: Re: baywatch...yup baywatch
Subject: Re: "Clinking" Noise
Subject: Re: Forks and Hawks and CB-1s and F2s
Subject: Re: Yet another Hawk for Sale
Subject: Re[2]: Yet another Hawk for Sale
Subject: Re[2]: 3am Blind Ride (no moon, either!)
Subject: "Clinking"
Subject: green with envy
Subject: Re: Yet another Hawk for Sale
Subject: Member Questionaire template
Subject: Re: Hawk fork legs...
Subject: Re: Hawk fork legs...
Subject:  Re: baywatch...yup baywatch -Reply
Subject:  RE: 3am Blind Ride (no moon, either!) -Reply
Subject: Re: baywatch...yup baywatch -Reply
Subject: Re: Member Questionaire template
Subject: Re: Member Questionaire template
Subject: Report on the EMC shock
Subject: Re: baywatch...yup baywatch
Subject: Re: 3am Blind Ride (no moon, either!)
Subject: Re: Report on the EMC shock
Subject: chain adjustment question...
Subject: Re: chain adjustment question...
Subject: UK Hawk in Performance Bikes
Subject:  Re: chain adjustment question...
Subject: RE: Forks and Hawks and CB-1s and F2s
Subject: Re: chain adjustment question...
Subject: Re: chain adjustment question...
Subject: Re[2]: Report on the EMC shock
Subject: RE: troublesome noise
Subject: ADD ME Please
Subject: list
Subject: Network Modification
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Report on the EMC shock
Subject: RE: troublesome noise
Subject: Brake line through swingarm
Subject: Cams -- Jetting
Subject: WARNING...NO HAWK CONTENT!
Subject: Re: 
Subject: Hawk vs. F2 wheel weight
Subject: Counter-shaft sprocket installation
Subject: pipes and power
Subject: YOU SHOULD NOT SEE THIS!
Subject: Re: troublesome noise
Subject: Here it is!!! The unOfficial HawkGT member info list!!!
Subject: join list
Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
Subject: TEST
Subject: NTV (Revere)
Subject: Re: your mail
Subject: Seats
Subject: Am I gone?
Subject: Re: Are we working yet?
Subject: Why has it suddenly grown silent?
Subject: Rattle Hawk ?
Subject: GSXR caliper
Subject: gsxr front end

Administriva:

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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Sun Oct  1 04:33 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions

Hi DFJL, on Sep 30 you wrote:

> Steve ? Steve ? Is that you ?
> 
> I have a Feb. 1993 issue of Performance Bikes, showing a red '89 w/ TBR
> clip-ons,  D&D pipe, DJ kit.  Looks nice - tank bra, blacked-out wheels,
> stock seat. 
> 
> I thought I recognized the name, so I dug out the back issues.
> 
> Don't tell me it's not you.
> 
> I didn't get the previous month's issue with a 'Hawk test', was it worth
> clipping ?
> 
> Dave         DFJL@aol.com    ( Connecticut )
> 

Yes, I'm afraid it's true...that is my bike in PB.  It happened quite by
accident.  You see, if you had seen the previous issue you would have known
that PB had actually broken (VERY common for Brit mc mags) poor Jon James'
Bros in the review.  I just happened to phone up Kevin Raymond (PB) to
offer the use of my Hawk microfiche and he asked me to send a picture of my
bike to him...I had no idea.

If you or anyone else wants a copy of the Issue with the Bros review write-

PB Back Issues
PO BOX 136
Peterborough
PE4 5HA

include your address, issue wanted (in this case Jan '93), chosen feature
(guess so they will send you a copy of what you want if the mag has sold
out and believe it or not the example they use in the Aug '95 that I am
looking at is "Hawk 650 test"), and finally three pounds fifty
(international money order)

Now what about my master cylinder and tires???

Steve




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From pinhead@gmgate.gamemaster.qc.ca Sun Oct  1 15:47 PDT 1995
Subject: subscription

Hello!
I am writing from Montreal, Canada. Could you please add my name on
your mailing list? Thank you very much :)
-Christian-
pinhead@gm.gamemaster.qc.ca



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From GTRider9@aol.com Sun Oct  1 19:57 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions

In a message dated 95-10-01 07:59:50 EDT, Steve@hawk.dungeon.com (Steve
Beatty) writes:

>...Now what about my master cylinder and tires???
>
>Steve

Just a thought--how about a CB1000 master cylinder?  It's designed for dual
discs, is angled for low bars, and has a mirror mount.

I think that I may be the only person on this list that still likes the
Dunlop Sportmaxes.  However, I have had one or both ends of my bike sliding
on more than one occasion and they have never let me down (pun intended!)
 One time in particular I had the front brake so close to lockup (thanks to a
brain-dead woman in a Buick) that smoke was rolling off the tire, yet I was
still able to steer the bike around the obstacle.  It'd be nice if the rear
would last more than 6000 miles, but otherwise I'm very happy with them.

Dave


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From GTRider9@aol.com Sun Oct  1 19:58 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Carb Epoxying???

In a message dated 95-10-01 02:20:57 EDT, cscops2@cscops2.Ebay.Sun.COM
(Operator Console #2) writes:

>... The answer
>  was epoxying(sp?) the carbs. What exactly is this? What are the benefits?
>What is
>  the cost? What are the drawbacks if any? 

I'm curious about this too.  Somebody fill us in.

Dave


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From scutchin@vt.edu Sun Oct  1 20:26 PDT 1995
Subject: Wow!!!

My roommate and I kinda forgot to pay our internet fee so I didn't check my 
mail for two weeks.  Over 150 messages, most all from you guys!!  busy 
couple a weeks, huh?!

I put the 900 shock on (thanks again, Dave - DFJL.)  It handles bumps better 
and it looks better with it's butt higher in the air.  Right now comp and 
rebound are set in the middle ranges, I'll play with the settings when I get 
time.  Installation was a breeze once I settled on strapping the reservoir 
to the rear master cylinder.  One question, though...I have the preload set 
on 7 out of 7 and still have too mch sag.  The stock spring was about 1/2" 
above Honda's service limit (I'd go look it up but that would require 
effort.)  Did I do something wrong (spring in upside down?)  Do I need to 
have spacers machined from thicker aluminum?  I read that you should have 
from 0-5mm of sag without the rider aboard.  I also ordered a rear stainless 
brake line kit that routes through the swingarm.  That should look much better.

I liked the stock Honda pads much better than the SBS pads I presently have, 
but I think I too will go with Galfer next time.

If you cut the top centerstand support off you can use it with the TBR pipe. 
 I keep mine off when I ride and screw it on hand tight when the time comes 
for maintenance, takes about 15 seconds.  (Craig - you should DEFINITELY 
pass this idea on to future pipe buyers, it is a really good idea.)  

I still have not had a chance to play with the main jet sizing since I 
epoxied my Uni's into the stock airbox, hopefully this weekend I will find 
the time.  I am quite sure that my top speed will increase.

Keep those cards and letters coming!

Steve '89 700cc



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From rdean@uvaix.UVic.CA Sun Oct  1 23:14 PDT 1995
Subject: Honda Hawkgt info

Please send any info regarding Hawks - particularly low cost
enhancements.  I have an '88 that I use for Sunday trips
on Vancouver Island, out of Victoria, B.C.
Best Regards,
Bob Dean
rdean@uvaix.uvic.ca



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From MStiv@postoffice.ptd.net Mon Oct  2 05:47 PDT 1995
Subject: Hi All - test!

Hey all!

I'm real happy to find this list (finally something on the Net I really
care about)!

As far as introduction - I live in PA, work in television (mostly in NYC),
and just bought my Hawk 2 weeks ago (after looking for about 8 months).  It
came with a mini-fairing (which I like) and a Supertrapp exhaust (love how
it sounds, not crazy about the way it looks). When I bought it, it had only
2700 miles on the clock, and I've added over 200 since then!

I would go into greater detail, but I need some help.  I seem to be having
problems getting on this list.  I sent a subscription request to both
"HawkGT@dsea.com" and "hawkgt@dsea.com" and my mail keeps coming back
saying the exact same thing:


From: Mailer-daemon@aol.com

message is undeliverable
550 hairbag is not a known user


Is there anybody out there who gets this!  A few people told me my posts
ARE making it to the list, and I seem to be receiving mail from the group
(2 messages yesterday), but I'm not sure.  If this message makes it to the
list - will someone PLEASE e-mail me and let me know!  Also if anyone
knows, I love to hear the explaination to the "550 hairbag" thang!

Thanx in advance 4 the help. Talk to you all later.

BTW - is there a FAQ, or something?

CU -

Mike Stivala
MStiv@postoffice.ptd.net


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*    HAWK GT     *      creative here, but you wouldn't care -    *
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From heaven@pogo.den.mmc.com Mon Oct  2 07:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk for Sale

I saw a nice red 89 with 7000 miles for sale in Hamilton NJ.
$2600 with corbin solo seat.  If you are interested, call Sherm
Cooper Jr. at (609) 587-6354.

BH


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From jel@walker.com Mon Oct  2 07:45 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions


     >Anyway my first question has to do with the CBR
>master cylinder...obviously it has no mounting point for a mirror - where 
>has everyone been putting their mirrors?  I am not too keen on bar end 
>mirrors.  Did I even need to pick up the CBR master cylinder, or could I 
>have used the Hawks?  I figured that the valving may have been different 
>due to twin calipers.

Steve, you can use the stock Hawk master cylinder...it works great.

Jeff
     
     
     



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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Mon Oct  2 08:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline

Second notice:

Well, as there seem to be a fair number of Hawk freaks in the SF Bay Area,
and since it is rare for all of us to see each other, I decided to hold a
small get together.  You others are invited too.  =)

Who:  Members of the Hawk GT and Ducati lists, BA Tuesday Dinner Ride List,
their motorcycles, and support crews (significant others? relatives? trusty
mechanix?).  Cages discouraged (we have modest parking difficulties due to
the heavy rains last winter), but not forbidden.

What:  A get together, gathering, good time, to-do.  BBQ coals, beer,
sodas, snax, views, tunz, etc. will be provided by the management.  BYO BBQ
goods, chit-chat, tall-tales, instruments-of-destruction, appetites, and
good-luck charms (Fri. 13th).

Where:  20555 Skyline Boulevard, in Woodside.  EXACTLY 6 miles (somewhat
more for Hawks?!?!  Never noticed...) south of Highway 84, which is the
intersection where Alice's Restaurant is located.  So, it's 280 to Hwy 84
(Woodside Road).  84 West to 35 (Skyline).  This will be your 2ND stop sign
after leaving 280, about 6-7 miles up 84.  Left (south) on Skyline for
exactly 6 miles.  Look for the flashing red dot on the mailbox on the left.
Take a left down the driveway, past the mailbox.  WARNING!  WARNING!
WARNING!  WARNING!  WARNING!  WARNING!  WARNING!  WARNING!  THE DRIVEWAY IS
LONG AND DIRT!  It sux!  BIG holes!  Gravel!  Take your time!  I recommend
staying to the left edge on the way down, right on the way back up.  We
have had 1 crash in the past, and it was a real bummer, so DON'T crash,
goddammit.  ALSO:  Highway 84 is also kinda crazy, if you've never been up
it.  Take your time.  Don't say I didn't warn ye.  Email me for alternate
route choice directions (from Santa Cruz, PageMill Road, Hawaii).

When:  1900 hours (that's 7:00 pm, for you civilians), sharp.  Well, not
really "sharp", but it's nice to get up there when the sun is setting.
Neato, keen.

Why:  Well, it has to do with the sheer craziness of dozens of motorcycles
zipping through the mountains on Friday the 13th.  Sort of a testing of the
superstition.  DON'T allow me to receive any unwanted superstitious
conditioning (ie. DON'T CRASH!).

How:  Slip into yer kevlar-armored, teflon-coated, impact-resistant,
fallout-proofed, vented (for comfort), color-coordinated riding
suit/boots/gloves, hop on yer machine of choice (I prefer...nah, can't say
it), grab a slab o' yer favorite grilling tidbit (I prefer beef, being a
"real person"), adopt a suitable attitude (brimming with vim? swerving with
verve?), and come on up.

WARNING:  There WILL be alcohol present, and as many of you will be riding
bikes, I ask that you carefully monitor your intake.  I WON'T be
responsible for your poor judgement, as I am hardly responsible enough for
my own.  For those who wish (dare?), there is AMPLE floor/camping/barn
space for the evening, and Alice's for breakfast on Saturday.

Hope to see you there!

Hugh
--- end forwarded text





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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Mon Oct  2 08:29 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions (SM2s)

>In a message dated 95-10-01 07:59:50 EDT, Steve@hawk.dungeon.com (Steve
>Beatty) writes:
>
>>...Now what about my master cylinder and tires???
>>
>>Steve
>
>Just a thought--how about a CB1000 master cylinder?  It's designed for dual
>discs, is angled for low bars, and has a mirror mount.
>
>I think that I may be the only person on this list that still likes the
>Dunlop Sportmaxes.

Nope.  SM2s all the way!  I very much like the profile with my F2 front
wheel.  I'm also odd, in that I still carry a STOCK size rear, after having
a 170 (I know, I know, yikes!  But I bought it that way) and then a 160 for
a long time.  I think the weight makes a difference in shock performance,
and the wear pattern on the 150 matches the wear on my front (120/60)
almost exactly.

>However, I have had one or both ends of my bike sliding
>on more than one occasion and they have never let me down (pun intended!)
> One time in particular I had the front brake so close to lockup (thanks to a
>brain-dead woman in a Buick) that smoke was rolling off the tire, yet I was
>still able to steer the bike around the obstacle.  It'd be nice if the rear
>would last more than 6000 miles, but otherwise I'm very happy with them.

With the new "Hawkenstein Conversion" (dual Hawk front discs) on my bike,
the SM2 stoppies like mad!  ANY tire that sticks this nicely CAN'T last too
much more than 6000....

Hugh
P.S. -- REMEMBER:  gathering at my house, October 13.  For more information
send me mail...




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From SASHA@ndi.org Mon Oct  2 08:38 PDT 1995
Subject:  Duc yellow hawk.


i saw a hawk the other day here in DC with duc yellow paint.  other than
that it was stock.  it looked great from afar.  close up it looked like
someone used a brush to paint it.  nevertheless, the color worked.  i
might consider this eventually, depending on how city life upsets my blue
paint.  i'd be interested to know if anyone else seen this.  i've seen a
yellow  hawk before at the races, but it wasnt really the right yellow. 
(no dennis, not your lime hawk, it was the old land-air hawk with a new
owner.)

btw, can anyone remember where and for how much the carbon fib
front fenders were?  i could use a new one thanks to the monkey-boy
who owned my hawk before and want to go cf.  

-sasha

88 bleu



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From cfaison@magpage.com Mon Oct  2 08:51 PDT 1995
Subject: tires

O.K. I'm going to open that old can of worms known as:

Tire Recommendations!

I'm purchasing a Hawk for roadracing purposes and I'd like to hear everyones
success/failure stories related to tire make/model/size - specifically size.

I have seen a few posts regarding a 120 on the front... I think I'll stick
to a 110. 

As far as the rear, I have seen anything from a 150 to a 170 on the stock
wheel and I'm curious what everyone has found to work the best.

By the way, I've found an '88 in excellent condition with 11,000 miles,
supertrapp exhaust, otherwise stock - $1600. Good Deal? I think so but I'd
like to hear the expert opinion of those on the list...

Oh, also I've seen the info on F2 front end swaps, and I've heard of having
Kosman widen the front wheel - I seem to remember reading that the hawk
front end is adequate except for the narrow wheel - anyone with cost info on
the kosman wheel, please let me know.

Thanks
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Craig D. Faison                          phone 302.325.5737
Kodak Imaging Services                   fax 302.322.2233
259 Quigley Blvd., Suite E               Email cfaison@magpage.com
New Castle, DE 19720
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From SASHA@ndi.org Mon Oct  2 08:53 PDT 1995
Subject:  Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline -Reply

I am thinking that we should do something like this in the general
DC-Balt-Richmond-PA area one of these days.  esp when the leaves go.
Anyone interested?

-S



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From jbrown@longhorn.corp.sgi.com Mon Oct  2 09:13 PDT 1995
Subject: Kosman Wheel Widening

On Oct 2, 12:04pm, Craig Faison wrote:

> Oh, also I've seen the info on F2 front end swaps, and I've heard of having
> Kosman widen the front wheel - I seem to remember reading that the hawk
> front end is adequate except for the narrow wheel - anyone with cost info on
> the kosman wheel, please let me know.

I spoke with Kosman the other day. The 3.5" mod will run you $ 350.- and take
7-10 days to turn around. This really isn't very competitively priced when you
consider the price of an F2 swap.

-Jeff
AFM#846 '88 Hawk

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From jel@walker.com Mon Oct  2 09:18 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.

     I did alot of research and couldn't find anyone who made a carbon
     fiber fender for the Hawk.  I now have a F2 front end.  The only
     people who made one for the F2 is AirTech but they are unfinished
     (i.e. sand and spray them before using) and still cost about $130.
     
     I got my finished F2 carbon fiber fender from Harris (they're in
     England for about $155.
     
     Jeff


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Duc yellow hawk.
Author:  SASHA@ndi.org at INTERNET
Date:    10/2/95 8:58 AM


     
i saw a hawk the other day here in DC with duc yellow paint.  other than 
that it was stock.  it looked great from afar.  close up it looked like 
someone used a brush to paint it.  nevertheless, the color worked.  i 
might consider this eventually, depending on how city life upsets my blue 
paint.  i'd be interested to know if anyone else seen this.  i've seen a 
yellow  hawk before at the races, but it wasnt really the right yellow. 
(no dennis, not your lime hawk, it was the old land-air hawk with a new 
owner.)
     
btw, can anyone remember where and for how much the carbon fib 
front fenders were?  i could use a new one thanks to the monkey-boy 
who owned my hawk before and want to go cf.  
     
-sasha
     
88 bleu
     



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From jel@walker.com Mon Oct  2 09:24 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: tires

     Kosman charges about $320 to widen the front wheel.


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: tires
Author:  cfaison@magpage.com (Craig Faison) at INTERNET
Date:    10/2/95 9:12 AM


O.K. I'm going to open that old can of worms known as:
     
Tire Recommendations!
     
I'm purchasing a Hawk for roadracing purposes and I'd like to hear everyones 
success/failure stories related to tire make/model/size - specifically size.
     
I have seen a few posts regarding a 120 on the front... I think I'll stick 
to a 110. 
     
As far as the rear, I have seen anything from a 150 to a 170 on the stock 
wheel and I'm curious what everyone has found to work the best.
     
By the way, I've found an '88 in excellent condition with 11,000 miles, 
supertrapp exhaust, otherwise stock - $1600. Good Deal? I think so but I'd 
like to hear the expert opinion of those on the list...
     
Oh, also I've seen the info on F2 front end swaps, and I've heard of having 
Kosman widen the front wheel - I seem to remember reading that the hawk 
front end is adequate except for the narrow wheel - anyone with cost info on 
the kosman wheel, please let me know.
     
Thanks
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Craig D. Faison                          phone 302.325.5737
Kodak Imaging Services                   fax 302.322.2233
259 Quigley Blvd., Suite E               Email cfaison@magpage.com 
New Castle, DE 19720
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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Mon Oct  2 10:25 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.

>yellow hawk.

I'm still not sure how I'm gonna paint my bike (grey now) when I install
the faring, but the top contender right now is "hazard" yellow (like a road
sign, zowwie!) with a "curvey road ahead" sign on the side o' the full
faring (at a 45 degree angle).  Either that, or stock 88 grey.  I'm
waffling here.  Help.

>btw, can anyone remember where and for how much the carbon fib
>front fenders were?  i could use a new one thanks to the monkey-boy
>who owned my hawk before and want to go cf.

I seem to remember that there are no mfgs of cf fenders for the Hawk.
After hitting that Orange Plastic Marker Thingie (tm) (3 ft tall, 6" dia)
Friday night at 80 mph (yikes!), I wouldn't mind getting one too, if anyone
has any info.  Chipped the paint right off of the durned thing and sent me
a foot into the ether, but I'm just glad it didn't hit me in the leg.
Needless to say, I was going 50 mph the rest of the evening.  Can't WAIT to
get the faring on (this winter), just for the dual headlights.  The freeway
at night is positively treacherous with the weak stock lamp....

Hugh




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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Mon Oct  2 11:52 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Frank's Trip & my driveway

>        After a long morning I decided to check out the "driveway of
>death"

Hehhe.  Geez, now NO ONE will come to the party!  As I said in the
announcement, the driveway SUCKS.  It IS the "driveway of death".  But if
you stick BELOW 10 mph it is really easy.  And don't brake on the turns
(gravel)!!  I've lived there for a year (today!) and haven't crashed once,
even after a few beers (yeah, yeah, I know...).  I generally take it in
second, but do NOT recommend it for virgins.  I know where all the pot
holes AREN'T, so it's safe, but if I hit one at even those slow speeds it'd
be all over.

As Frank pointed out, stay to the left on the way down, right on the way
up.  I'll be sweeping most of the loose gravel on the real steep stuff at
the bottom (yuck! My kingdom for 100 cu yards of asphalt and a steam
roller), so don't be too worried...

Hope y'all can make it!

Hugh




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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Mon Oct  2 12:59 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.

> 
> >yellow hawk.
> 
> I'm still not sure how I'm gonna paint my bike (grey now) when I install
> the faring, but the top contender right now is "hazard" yellow (like a road
> sign, zowwie!) with a "curvey road ahead" sign on the side o' the full
> faring (at a 45 degree angle).  Either that, or stock 88 grey.  I'm
> waffling here.  Help.

I'm still considering painting mine yellow, and adding Nuprin stickers
to it -  "Little, Yellow, Different, Better ..."


=)

Mike


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From ddc10@columbia.edu Mon Oct  2 13:08 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions

On Sat, 30 Sep 1995, James Montebello wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Sep 1995, Steve Beatty wrote:
> >      Anyway my first question has to do with the CBR
> > master cylinder...obviously it has no mounting point for a mirror - where
> > has everyone been putting their mirrors?  I am not too keen on bar end
> > mirrors.  

You could go REALLY trick and buy the TBR fairing kit w/ mirrors. . . :-)
> 
> >      My second question is more of an opinion I guess but what is the hot
> > choice for tires with this setup?  I use my bike mostly for sport riding
> > and do occasionally take it to the track. 

> Michelin A59x/M59x (OEM on '91-'93 F2s) or Bridgestone BT-50s (OEM on
> '94-96 F2/F3s). 120/16 front, 160/60 rear. 

What are you trying to do- kill him?  If Dunlop makes a Sportmax, then 
those Michelins should be called the SLIDEmax.  Buy the MEZ1's- they're 
so close to the same price; it's not worth the little savings from those 
others.

> >      As far as the rest, I will try and pick up a CBR wheel next week.  I
> > am contemplating going with Brembo discs and pads and of course braided
> > lines.
> 
> Unless the Brembo discs are cheaper, you might want to find some used
> F2 rotors.  They're more than adequate. 

MUCH more than adequate.  Even on the track, I find mine totally 
overbraked- I'm actually taking one of the calipers OFF this winter.

DC


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From jpl10@mfg.amdahl.com Mon Oct  2 13:16 PDT 1995
Subject: Sportmaxes

----- Begin Included Message -----

> 
> I think that I may be the only person on this list that still likes the
> Dunlop Sportmaxes.  However, I have had one or both ends of my bike sliding
> on more than one occasion and they have never let me down (pun intended!)
>  One time in particular I had the front brake so close to lockup (thanks to a
> brain-dead woman in a Buick) that smoke was rolling off the tire, yet I was
> still able to steer the bike around the obstacle.  It'd be nice if the rear
> would last more than 6000 miles, but otherwise I'm very happy with them.
> 
> Dave
> 
	----- End Included Message -----



Hey Dave, I'm with you regarding the Sportmaxes.  I'm on my second set and I
love 'em!!  They never let me down so far (knock on wood) and as far as my
rear tire, I've got over 6000mi on it and that includes one racetrack session
and I ride pretty hard.  Maybe my weight has to do something with the longevity.
I weigh 120lbs!


-- 
James Lyau                       "Ride Red"                 DoD #771  DGIF 1717
'93 RX-7 Twin-Turbo                                          Amdahl Corporation
'89 RC-31 Hawk GT                                         Sunnyvale, California
'85 626                                                  jpl10@amail.amdahl.com



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Mon Oct  2 13:19 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.

> (no dennis, not your lime hawk, it was the old land-air hawk with a new
> owner.)
> 
 . . . and boy, was he slow.

> btw, can anyone remember where and for how much the carbon fib
> front fenders were?  i could use a new one thanks to the monkey-boy
> who owned my hawk before and want to go cf.  

Fast Company has 'em for around $120, I think- maybe somewhat less, 
probably not more . . .

DC


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Mon Oct  2 13:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: tires

> O.K. I'm going to open that old can of worms known as:
> 
> Tire Recommendations!

As long as it isn't jetting recommendations.... =)  (which I have questions
about, too ;-).

> I'm purchasing a Hawk for roadracing purposes and I'd like to hear everyones
> success/failure stories related to tire make/model/size - specifically size.
> 
> I have seen a few posts regarding a 120 on the front... I think I'll stick
> to a 110. 

With the stock wheel, I think (at least from a STREET point of view) that
the 110/80 is THE size to run.  Track???  Well, it shouldn't matter, for
a retarded wear pattern is still retarded, whether on the street or
on the track.  A 120/xx or 110/70 just doesn't have the right profile
for the 2.5" rim of the Hawk, period.  Maybe tire mfgs are making tires
in different sizes now to fit the Hawk wheel?

> As far as the rear, I have seen anything from a 150 to a 170 on the stock
> wheel and I'm curious what everyone has found to work the best.

Hugh M. has run all of em.  Hugh?  you listening?

> By the way, I've found an '88 in excellent condition with 11,000 miles,
> supertrapp exhaust, otherwise stock - $1600. Good Deal? I think so but I'd
> like to hear the expert opinion of those on the list...

P*SS ON YOU!!!!!!!  If you don't buy it, PLEASE, let me!!! =)

(BTW - I paid $1900 for mine, '88, w/3700 miles and a supertrapp, and
that was 2.5 years ago.  $1600 is a killer deal, I wouldn't pass it up)

> Oh, also I've seen the info on F2 front end swaps, and I've heard of having
> Kosman widen the front wheel - I seem to remember reading that the hawk
> front end is adequate except for the narrow wheel - anyone with cost info on
> the kosman wheel, please let me know.

The Kosman info has been published to the list ad inf., so I won't rehash 
it, but I must say that a Hawk with the F2 front end (complete) will save
lots of hassles down the road (takes care of braking, damping/spring rates,
wheel width on in one shot, with a pretty good cost savings ta boot).
You can probably get a '94 (the best year for F2) front end with EVERYTHING
you need for under $800.  I had a line on one for $600, but cheesed on
it, since I'm not currently racing the Hawk.  Maybe later, tho.



Mike


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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Mon Oct  2 13:29 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Frank's Trip & my driveway

>But you still haven't told us who the "one crash" belongs to???? =)

I don't know his name...a friend of my roommate Philipp.  But, he did
manage to crash his pristine 1960 Duc 200...ugh.  He was almost crying.
Only dinged up one bar end mirror and some minor scratches....still, it
sucked.

But I know you folks are all up for the challenge...  =)

Hugh




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From SASHA@ndi.org Mon Oct  2 13:33 PDT 1995
Subject:  carbonara

>> btw, can anyone remember where and for how much the carbon fib
>> front fenders were?  i could use a new one thanks to the
monkey-boy
>> who owned my hawk before and want to go cf.  

>Fast Company has 'em for around $120, I think- maybe somewhat less, 
>probably not more . . .

>DC

Dennis, 
do you have the contact info for this Fly By Night-- I mean, Fast
Company?
(could you tell us?)
-thanks.
-S




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From Doug_Wiebe@NeXT.COM Mon Oct  2 14:17 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: carbonara

>>Fast Company has 'em for around $120, I think- maybe somewhat less,
>>probably not more . . .
>
>>DC
>
>Dennis,
>do you have the contact info for this Fly By Night-- I mean, Fast
>Company?
>(could you tell us?)
>-thanks.
>-S

Fast Company: 704-327-2644

I bought a CF tank bra for my VFR from these guys. Looks nice,
seems well made. They were out of stock so it took 5-6 weeks
to get delivery, but they told me that up front when I made the
order. Talk to Mike Sears, he seems like a good guy.

- Doug



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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Mon Oct  2 14:19 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: tires

>> As far as the rear, I have seen anything from a 150 to a 170 on the stock
>> wheel and I'm curious what everyone has found to work the best.
>
>Hugh M. has run all of em.  Hugh?  you listening?

Unfortunately, yes. =)

170 -- MUCH to big.  Didn't use about 1/2 inch on the edge, and I don't
have a problem leaning the thing over pretty far (the scars on my boots
bear mute witness).  Also, it was VERY heavy, compared to the 160 that I
put on next.  When going over a series of bumps all in a row it would
really buck, no matter WHAT I did with the shock (Fox).  Plus, it rubs on
the stock chain guard.

160 -- Pretty good wear pattern, but I still had a tough time with the
shock.  I think this was too heavy for a STREET machine, because of the
variability of my riding habits.  I would adjust the shock for general
riding comfort, and then when ripping it up with the likes of Mike N., I
would get some major ass-wiggle.  Then, I would adjust for high speed, and
then even the Corbin wouldn't save my butt from the slamming.

so...now I'm running the

150 -- No more ass-wiggle, no more butt-slam.  Identical wear pattern to
the F2 front (right to the edge =)).  I'm convinced that Honda actually DID
know what they were doing when they made that the stock size (and I AM
naturally opposed to this notion, for some reason).

Bear in mind:  I run Sportmax 2's.  All of this data was collected with
SM2's and a Fox shock.

Hope this is helpful...

Hugh




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From Heicho@aol.com Mon Oct  2 14:33 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Party? Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline -Reply

YES!

Down here in charlottesville is very boring.  I would love a party in the DC
area. We could even have a party for hawk riders at my house in the country,
if the riders wern't scared away by my awful driveway.

Ive got an ancient farmhouse on 17 acres of land, a grill, and assorted
sundries....

jake




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From nobody@info.tamu.edu Mon Oct  2 14:47 PDT 1995
Subject: Need 88 hawk engine case

comments: I am in dire need of a new or somewhat used case for an
 88 or an 89 hawk gt motor.
 
 We need it to run at ROC in Daytona 10/18-22
 
 if you have one or know of one please write back or 
 call 3192893544
 
 thanks


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	Just a quick note on the SFO trip on the Hawk

	About 1500 miles in 9 days, most of it along the CA coast.
I started in Orange County and slipped up the 5 to Frazier Pass, 
a hamlet near the Grapevine.  Going directly west I ran up across
Pinons pass.  COLD!  At about 5000' the sun came on strong.  Then
it was 76 miles and one car down to the carrot valley.  A quick
gas stop and then 65 miles down the ?? river to Pismo beach.

	The 1 was wonderful and terrible.  Fog, cold, wind, cars
and the nicest coastal scenes I have ever seen.  Lunch was in Cambria,
just south of the 95 miles of "nothing" on the coast.  The "nothing"
was full of cars doing 20-25 mph in the turns.  I passed on the double
yellow too many times to count, a few times with truly accidental 
wheelies.  Not knowing how long it would take to get there I passed
at nearly ever place I could.  It was still slow and miserable.  
A total of 11.5 hours to SFO.

	After the setup at the show I took a quick ride out
to Viansa, one of the nicest, southernmost wineries in Sonoma.  After
picking up some wine ( Nebiolo '93 and Chardonet '94: you can only
get it there and it is great ) I decided to take the 121 back to SFO.
Remebering that Sears Point is on the 121 I decided to stop in if
I could.

	The northern approach to Sears Point lets you see any racing
that is going on.  By luck there were motorcycles going by.  In fact
on that Sunday there were Honda Hawks going by.  No doubt, I was 
going to stop.  Before pulling up to the main gate I decided to 
buy a ticket for the rest of the day.  As I rolled up a man came up
to me.  He whipped out a clip board and said "Please sign in."
Thinking quickly, I said "Certainly, just let me slip off this 
glove."  He then pointed to the pits and I drove right in.

	Those that have been here might surmize what happened.
Whenever I ride, even to the store to buy milk, I ride with a complete
set of leathers ( Vanson something II, with armor, black and grey )
race gloves, boots and a full-face helmet.  I was wearing this getup 
on that Sunday.  Many Hawks came to race.  Hey, the guy was confused.
No, I did not pull to the starting line and win the feature, but
that would have been just too unlikely.  I did see two other blue
Hawks.  One pulled by a small station wagon and one with a truck.
There was a grey one, too.  Anybody on the list?

	The crowd was thin.  Eventually I left the pits and went up
top to watch the 600 and unlimited Stock races.  After the last race
I headed home.  Nearly certain that I had spotted Beth Dixon and 
somebody else, I pulled in to a gas station on Van Ness in SFO.  As 
unlikely as it was, it was another short blond with a Duc and custom
Corbin seat.  Her plate said "MS DUC".  Her husband had a BRAND NEW
Guzzi 4-valve with FI and neat black-anodized CNC crash plates bolted
to the motor.  They never heard of the DoD....

	After a long morning I decided to check out the "driveway of 
death", Skyline Drive, Alice's and Half-moon bay.  Skyline is really
spectacular.  So is my Valentine-1 ( mounted on my tank bag ).  Even
on a Wednesday afternoon there were plenty of speed traps.  The
driveway at Hugh's is tough.  Keep in mind that I wrote "Dual-sport
Hawk"; I went down the right ( hard ) side of the drive just to see
how bad it could be.  In sum, a mistake here could be painful and 
expensive.  Do not get distracted by the few false turns or the 
white car; go slow.  Hugh was not there; just a few cars and a good
view.  Going up the drive is fun -- if you like that sort of thing.
The first right turn is good for sliding, but be sure to hook up 
on the right track because the left one will shake you and send 
you up in the air -- stay on the gas and stand on the pegs.  Go 
too far right and you will land in Sunnyvale, or perhas Mountain
View, some time in November.

	My wife came to SFO to take the ride back.  The extra
mass of wife, tank bag and saddle bags ( they melted, even 
with a new leather cover and an exhaust deflector ) combined
with the extra power of an unstuffed Supertrapp and Factory 
kit ( no airbox lid ) made it so my Hawk will do power wheelies in
3rd gear.  There was only an eighth as much traffic on the way
down as on the way up.  By chance I hooked up with a guy on a PC800
and cranked at 6500 rpm down the 1 to Santa Cruz.  The airbox
and exhaust mods make a big difference for this type of high-speed
two-up touring.  104 miles and the tank was empty.  The Hog's Breath
Inn was less than it could have been.  

	Those 95 miles south of Carmel were great this time.  Only 
a dozen double-yellow passes and most of the road was about 75 mph.
There were a few 2nd gear turns and great scenery.  There are one or
two long U-shaped passing zones on the 1.  These are great fun.
Things get straight and slow down by Hearst, so we stopped at 1:pm.
A tour was available at 1:10 pm.  Very good luck, but a real struggle
to get off 50 lbs of gear, lock the bike, saddle bags and pack 
in 10 minutes.

	The rest of the drive was easy.  The 101 has some nice 
sections, but not like the 1.  We did find a car on its roof in 
Santa Barbera -- it seems that Californians like to park cars 
upside-down.

	One final note.  The trip would have been miserable with the
old ( stock ) shock.  The change is really remarkable.  As somebody
else commented, "majic carpet ride".

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x258		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x258	 92704       DoD:1097


--PAA06584.812672238/chalice.firewall.dsea.com--



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From cscops2@cscops2.Ebay.Sun.COM Mon Oct  2 16:09 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.



I will be getting my Hawk painted in the near future, and yellow 
is the color I was leaning towards. I was hoping it would be an
original idea :-} I thing that with detail work in black this
color will work really well. 

Kev-
'88 - Blue(for now)



_________________________________________________________________________________ 
> i saw a hawk the other day here in DC with duc yellow paint.  other than
> that it was stock.  it looked great from afar.  close up it looked like
> someone used a brush to paint it.  nevertheless, the color worked.  i
> might consider this eventually, depending on how city life upsets my blue
> paint.  i'd be interested to know if anyone else seen this.  i've seen a
> yellow  hawk before at the races, but it wasnt really the right yellow. 
> (no dennis, not your lime hawk, it was the old land-air hawk with a new
> owner.)
> 
> btw, can anyone remember where and for how much the carbon fib
> front fenders were?  i could use a new one thanks to the monkey-boy
> who owned my hawk before and want to go cf.  
> 
> -sasha
> 
> 88 bleu
> 


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From Doug_Wiebe@NeXT.COM Mon Oct  2 16:52 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.

> I will be getting my Hawk painted in the near future, and yellow
> is the color I was leaning towards. I was hoping it would be an
> original idea :-}

Egads! I've been wanting to paint mine yellow for the last couple of years,
you guys all have the same idea. I've wanted to do it ever since I saw the
Motorcyclist article that depicted how a woman from San Francisco had painted
her Ducati in a buttery yellow with black wheels. Gorgeous! And the bike
looked great too!

- Doug


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From scutchin@vt.edu Mon Oct  2 16:53 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Rear brake line routing...

  What are my options for brake
>lines and how much do they cost?  And where could I route the rear line and
>what would that entail?  
>
I JUST ordered a stainless steel rear line, it is coming in this Friday.  It 
WILL be put on this weekend.  It is designed to be run through the swingarm. 
 The banjo fitting comes unattached - you run the line through a front 
existing hole and through a rear hole you drill yourself and then put the 
fitting on.  I don't think a touchy brake will be a problem.  If you can 
wait I will post the results after the installation.  BTW, I recently put a 
900 shock on.  The kit costs $54.  I got mine from Chafong (1-800-CHAFONG).  
Two Brothers also sells it(sorry, don't know their LONG DISTANCE number off 
the top of my head or their price.)  I am sure it will look much better 
given that I don't have a chainguard either.

Steve '89 700cc



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From scutchin@vt.edu Mon Oct  2 16:53 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline -Reply

>I am thinking that we should do something like this in the general
>DC-Balt-Richmond-PA area one of these days.  esp when the leaves go.
>Anyone interested?
>
>-S
>
Absolutely!!  I am currently residing in the wonderful town of Blacksburg 
(Virginia Tech) but am from the northern VA area and would LOVE to have a 
get-together.  There are also two friends of mine here with Hawks who I am 
sure would be up for a trip to NOVA.

Count me in!!

Steve '89 700cc



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From scutchin@vt.edu Mon Oct  2 16:53 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: 700cc

>So, I understand you have a 700cc hawk.  I have an 88, and have been thinking
>about increasing the displacement.  A 3mm oversize bore will bring it to
>702cc right?  Do they just bore the current sleves, or do they install new
>ones.  Either way, what about reliability, longevity, and what happens if for
>some reason you need to go even larger.....is there room?  I would like to go
>to 700cc, but don't know enough about whether or not this move would be the
>last thing I could do to the engine before having to buy new cylinders etc.
> Any idea of how many hp increase from the extra 53-55cc?  Is it still
>streetable?  Who did the work, would you recommend them?  What was the total
>cost of parts/labor (if you don't mind my asking)
>Many questions
>Thanks
>Max
>
I think it was actually a 2mm overbore, not 3.  702cc sounds right.  I took 
the cylinders and the new pistons to a local dealer and for $40/piece had 
them bored out.  You *******MUST***** eat away the bottoms of the piston 
skirts and/or the cylinder liners or the pistons one day at high RPM's will 
hit the opposite liners.  Believe me, I know!!!  The cylinders are already 
ground a little at the factory, you'll see once you take 'em apart, just eat 
'em out more.  Currently the 82mm pistons are the biggest available.  I did 
all of the work myself after buying the excellent factory manual (don't even 
think about the Clymer!!) and anyone with fairly good mechanical skills can 
do the same.  I had the engine out in about two hours, in took about 3.  As 
far as HP, stock is 47-48.  With a pipe and a jet kit and Uni's expect about 
53.  Port work gives about 55. Mine has TBR pipe, Uni's hot glued onto the 
stock bottom with no lid, Factory 3.0 and 4deg advancer and dynoed at 60HP.  
Come to think of it, at the time it had a Dynojet and Kerker pipe.  I think 
it would prob make more on top now but I bet I would have a midrange dip 
thanks to the TBR's large head tubes.  The piston kit costs $200, I got the 
first one from TBR and the second from Chafong.  For about $300 bucks and a 
full weekend of working I think this was the best bang for the buck I could 
have ever gotten.  The 12:1 ratio necessitates 93 octane (or 92) and you 
need a pipe and a jet kit but the soulful sound you get and the significant 
increase in power is worth the effort.  After I got on the gas for the first 
time I said to myself in my helmet (really!!) "I've created a monster!!  So, 
yes, it is worth it.  The first time you rev it up and gravel is blown 
around ten feet behind the bike you will know you've done the right thing.

My advice is free, so call me as much as you like.  I've had mine since 
April '92, bought it new with 16 miles on the clock (only paid $3300!!  I 
know, I don't deserve such luck!!)  and have done lotsa tinkering.  

Steve '89 700cc

BTW, you absolutely MUST let someone ride the bike once you put in the 
pistons.  Have then ride away from you full throttle and then come back by 
at a, shall we say, elevated speed.  I won't even try to describe it, you 
need to FEEL the sound for yourself!!  
  



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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Mon Oct  2 17:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.

>> I will be getting my Hawk painted in the near future, and yellow
>> is the color I was leaning towards. I was hoping it would be an
>> original idea :-}
>
>Egads! I've been wanting to paint mine yellow for the last couple of years,
>you guys all have the same idea. I've wanted to do it ever since I saw the
>Motorcyclist article that depicted how a woman from San Francisco had painted
>her Ducati in a buttery yellow with black wheels. Gorgeous! And the bike
>looked great too!

Awww crap.  I too am now feeling rather "band wagon"ish.  Well, maybe I'll
have to get the Hawkenstein painted turquoise and pink or something, just
so's nobody else'll have done it before.  Or will ever do!  Actually, Mike
and I saw a turquoise VFR 750 at Sears Point a while ago for sale that was
HOT!  But I just don't think it's ME...ah forget it.  I'm stickin' with the
"hazard" yellow and "twisty" design.  Someday:  polished frame, clamps,
forks, and SWINGARM.  Powder coated (70% gloss black) wheels w/ polished
clear powder around the little horizontal "edge" (don't know the technical
term...so sue me).  Unfortunately, I have neither the time or money to
approach this rather hefty project.  Anyone wanna sponser me?  I think
about $3,000 should cover it...

Dreaming dreamy dreams as he rides into the sunset...

he remains,

Hugh




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From JimDuc916@aol.com Mon Oct  2 17:49 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.

A friend of mine has a YELLOW hawk, with black cases and trim, and polished
frame and SA, and a coveted Kosman widened front wheel (which he will sell!).
so there.
His name is Dan Thornton, his number is 716-352-5738.
tell him Jim sent you!


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From JimDuc916@aol.com Mon Oct  2 17:54 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Rear brake line routing...

Just to add mud to the stew--
The ultimate cool looking rear brake set up is not just running the line
through the SA, but doing that, and putting the caliper on the bottom of the
SA, too.  Of course, to do this, you have to turn the Ecentric around 180, so
the caliper holding bracket clears the SA, and you'll need to make up a new
torque rod and a bracket mount thing, but it works, and looks WAY cool, and
raises the rear about 1 1/2 inches MORE.  I used the flimsy aluminum duisk
guard to mount the new torque rod, and it seems ok-- I can lock the rear
wheel, and it hasn't broke off yet....
ciao,
jimd


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From DPBHAWK@aol.com Mon Oct  2 18:16 PDT 1995
Subject: Watanabe tank...

Hi All,
FYI,  Just got my new issue of Sport Rider. On page 12 there's a decent photo
of a Hawk with the Watanabe Racing 5 gal. tank. Looks better than I expected
but is a little costly.

Don - '88 Blew


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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Mon Oct  2 18:55 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

>Watanabe Racing 5 gal. tank.
          ^^^^^^

Now why would a racer want a 5 gal. tank?  =)


Hugh




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From cscops2@cscops2.Ebay.Sun.COM Mon Oct  2 19:10 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.


> From Doug_Wiebe@NeXT.COM  Mon Oct  2 17:35:31 1995
> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.0 v123)
> Content-Type> : > text> /> plain> 
> From: Doug Wiebe 
> Date: Mon,  2 Oct 95 16:59:33 -0700
> To: hawkgt@dsea.com
> Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.
> Content-Length: 482
> 
> > I will be getting my Hawk painted in the near future, and yellow
> > is the color I was leaning towards. I was hoping it would be an
> > original idea :-}
> 
> Egads! I've been wanting to paint mine yellow for the last couple of years,
> you guys all have the same idea. I've wanted to do it ever since I saw the
> Motorcyclist article that depicted how a woman from San Francisco had painted
> her Ducati in a buttery yellow with black wheels. Gorgeous! And the bike
> looked great too!
> 
> - Doug
> 

I got the notion from the "naked 900" article (can't remember which mag)
depicting a fairing-less cbr900rr in yellow. Very sharp I thought!

Oh well, so much for uniqueness. I'll just have to be among the first
several hundred of us to actually do it.

Kev-



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From doneill@pioneer.uspto.gov Mon Oct  2 19:41 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.


Jeff-
why would you SAND and PAINT a CF fender?  Ducati doesn't!

Dave

On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Jeff Leveroni wrote:

>      I did alot of research and couldn't find anyone who made a carbon
>      fiber fender for the Hawk.  I now have a F2 front end.  The only
>      people who made one for the F2 is AirTech but they are unfinished
>      (i.e. sand and spray them before using) and still cost about $130.
>      
>      I got my finished F2 carbon fiber fender from Harris (they're in
>      England for about $155.
>      
>      Jeff
> 
> 
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: Duc yellow hawk.
> Author:  SASHA@ndi.org at INTERNET
> Date:    10/2/95 8:58 AM
> 
> 
>      
> i saw a hawk the other day here in DC with duc yellow paint.  other than 
> that it was stock.  it looked great from afar.  close up it looked like 
> someone used a brush to paint it.  nevertheless, the color worked.  i 
> might consider this eventually, depending on how city life upsets my blue 
> paint.  i'd be interested to know if anyone else seen this.  i've seen a 
> yellow  hawk before at the races, but it wasnt really the right yellow. 
> (no dennis, not your lime hawk, it was the old land-air hawk with a new 
> owner.)
>      
> btw, can anyone remember where and for how much the carbon fib 
> front fenders were?  i could use a new one thanks to the monkey-boy 
> who owned my hawk before and want to go cf.  
>      
> -sasha
>      
> 88 bleu
>      
> 
> 


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From goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us Mon Oct  2 20:15 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Hugh A. MacMullan IV wrote:

> >Watanabe Racing 5 gal. tank.
>           ^^^^^^
> 
> Now why would a racer want a 5 gal. tank?  =)
> 
> 
> Hugh

Don't you know anything? Carbon fiber parts make you faster, so it's
obvious that the bigger the carbon part is, the faster you'll go! (-:


Matt/OH                            goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us
89 Hawk GT (street)                76025.1535@compuserve.com
89 EX 500  (racebike)




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From GTRider9@aol.com Mon Oct  2 23:14 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

In a message dated 95-10-02 22:06:09 EDT, hugh@bonair.stanford.edu (Hugh A.
MacMullan IV) writes:

>>Watanabe Racing 5 gal. tank.
>          ^^^^^^
>
>Now why would a racer want a 5 gal. tank?  =)

I was wondering that too.

Dave


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From GTRider9@aol.com Mon Oct  2 23:29 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.

In a message dated 95-10-02 11:49:39 EDT, SASHA@ndi.org writes:

>btw, can anyone remember where and for how much the carbon fib
>front fenders were? 

Try Performance Extremes, (405)360-2727 or (405)364-6862, $125

Dave


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From GTRider9@aol.com Mon Oct  2 23:41 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: 700cc

In a message dated 95-10-02 20:06:19 EDT, scutchin@vt.edu (stephen r.
cutchins) writes:

>I think it was actually a 2mm overbore, not 3... I did all of the work
myself after buying the excellent >factory manual (don't even think about the
Clymer!!) and anyone with fairly good mechanical skills >can do the same.  I
had the engine out in about two hours, in took about 3.

Two small points: (1) The stock bore is 79 mm.  It will take a press to stuff
82 mm pistons into your
                                     cylinders with only a 2mm bore job, and
the bike will probably be hard to start.
                               (2) You don't have to pull the motor to change
pistons--the top end can be easily
                                     serviced in the frame.

(I'm just poking a little fun Steve, not being critical--and I'm glad you got
your motor working well--enjoy!)

Dave


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From AKAMATSUK@aol.com Mon Oct  2 23:43 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.

My buddy painted the body work jet black.  With electric blue wheels a la '88
VTR250 and a black Corbin seat with blue piping, the bike looks absolutely
fetching.

BTW, being the perfectionist that he is, he kept the original '88 grey parts
intact and worked with a totally new set.  He's got 'em boxed up in his
garage.

Ken
'89


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From danac@leland.Stanford.EDU Tue Oct  3 00:19 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Frank's Trip & my driveway

On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Hugh A. MacMullan IV wrote:

> >        After a long morning I decided to check out the "driveway of
> >death"
> 
> Hehhe.  Geez, now NO ONE will come to the party!  As I said in the
> announcement, the driveway SUCKS.  It IS the "driveway of death".  But if
> you stick BELOW 10 mph it is really easy.  And don't brake on the turns
> (gravel)!!  I've lived there for a year (today!) and haven't crashed once,
> even after a few beers (yeah, yeah, I know...).  I generally take it in
> second, but do NOT recommend it for virgins.  I know where all the pot
> holes AREN'T, so it's safe, but if I hit one at even those slow speeds it'd
> be all over.
> 
> As Frank pointed out, stay to the left on the way down, right on the way
> up.  I'll be sweeping most of the loose gravel on the real steep stuff at
> the bottom (yuck! My kingdom for 100 cu yards of asphalt and a steam
> roller), so don't be too worried...
> 
> Hope y'all can make it!
> 
> Hugh
> 
> 
> 
As long as there is someone to sweep up the fallen riders at the bottom 
of the driveway and give them a beer to drown their sorrows - no problem.





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From rzimdars@camtronics.com Tue Oct  3 05:08 PDT 1995
Subject: Watanabe Racing tank

     
     The SR article claims the 5-gal tank (stock is 2.9) reduces weight 
     6.25 lbs. Cost is $675, and the tank should work fine for street 
     bikes, as that's what it's shown on in the article.
     
     No other mods are necessary. The profile looks similar to stock, maybe 
     a couple inches taller and wider. While I'm overstating the obvious, 
     remember that:
     
     a) your magnetic tank bag won't work anymore, and
     
     b) if you're going to the track, don't fill the tank unless you're in 
     an endurance class, or you'll gain all that weight you lost.
     
     -Robb Z.
     rzimdars@camtronics.com
     '88 Hawk (I'm not telling what color !!)



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From MStiv@postoffice.ptd.net Tue Oct  3 06:17 PDT 1995
Subject: Thanx/tires/fender kit

Hi All -

Well the test was a success and I do seem to be on the list (about 50
messages yesterday - cool).  Thanx to all of you who wrote me back and
helped out.  And yes - I do still get "mail undeliverable" messages but (as
many of you suggested) I guess it's just guys who are on the list but lost
their e-mail account.

Lotsa talk about tires here - here's my $.02.  My hawk's running on
Metzlers - 110/80 up front, 160/60 in rear (the stock rear wheels had about
1.5 oz added to it to balance for the larger tire).  After only 250 miles
on the bike - I've got no complaints (steers well, leans over nice), but I
couldn't imagine going larger in the rear.  The ride is good (I'm still
messing with the shock (stock) though - before I rode it I set it to "3"
and ever since I keep bumping it up - It's at "6" now and I'm sure it's
just a matter of time before I notch it up to "7" -or look to the after
market for something stiffer).

I'm putting off any performance mods until next spring (so I can get more
time on the bike).  However I'm toying with the idea of doing the "Fender
Eliminator Kit" and losing the passenger pegs (gotta do something over the
long winter!).  Anybody done this - any suggestions?

It's great to be here!

CU -

Mike Stivala
MStiv@postoffice.ptd.net


*******************************************************************
*      1989      *  Oh, sure - I could write something cool and   *
*    HAWK GT     *      creative here, but you wouldn't care -    *
* RED(of course) *                  so why bother!                *
*******************************************************************
                         




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From vgregory@mckinley.den.mmc.com Tue Oct  3 06:42 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

Hugh sed:

Now why would a racer want a 5 gal. tank?  =)
-------------------
The little article that went with the picture mentioned a
reasonably substantial weight drop from the stock tank-
6 lbs?  Of course, that's offset by the added fuel weight.
Too pricey for me, too., though., . :9)  (

Val Gregory
'90 Hawk GT gs;dl- "Redtailed"
DoD #1258


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From hayes@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Tue Oct  3 06:43 PDT 1995
Subject: Fender Eliminator


                   Ohio University Electronic Communication


   Date:  03-Oct-1995 09:49am EST

     To:  Remote Addressee                     ( _mx%hawkgt@dsea.com )

   From:  William D. Hayes                           Dept:  Edison Biotechnology Institute
          HAYES                                    Tel No:  614-593-0384

Subject:  Fender Eliminator


    Fender Eliminator kit?
    
    I've seen them on other bikes but not for a Hawk. Do they exist?
    
    Inquiring minds want to know!



Received:  03-Oct-1995 09:51am



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From HACR@chevron.com Tue Oct  3 07:09 PDT 1995
Subject: Any Southern US Hawk riders?


From: Hackett, R. A. (Roger)
To:  OPEN ADDRESSING SERVI-OPENADDR
Subject:  Any Southern US Hawk riders?
Date: 1995-10-03 09:08
Priority:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------


With all the messages about getting together for weekend rides, I'm getting
lonely down here in New Orleans.  Are there any of you anywhere near
southeastern Louisiana?

hacr@chevron.com
Roger Hackett
'88 Blue Hawk



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From wroof@ns1.netside.com Tue Oct  3 07:19 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.

>
>
>I will be getting my Hawk painted in the near future, and yellow 
>is the color I was leaning towards. I was hoping it would be an
>original idea :-} I thing that with detail work in black this
>color will work really well. 
>
>Kev-
>'88 - Blue(for now)

        Saw a killer Hawk at Daytona this year. Yellow, big black stripe
atop the tank, NSR250 tail section. What really made it stand out were the
black wheels with a bit of yellow on the rim, and matching yellow radiator
covers.

Dave Roof                "Life imitates art -- but badly."  Edward Abbey

wroof@mail.netside.com  w.roof@genie.geis.com [Yane]  '85 BMW K100RT [Waltraude]
West Columbia SC  BMWMOA 68743  HRCA  Conebutt        '88 Honda Hawk [Jason]
IBMWR Principal Euphonium



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From jel@walker.com Tue Oct  3 07:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re[2]: Duc yellow hawk.


     
>Jeff-
>why would you SAND and PAINT a CF fender?  Ducati doesn't!
     
>Dave

You should seal them with a clear coat.  When I say "unfinished" I really do
mean unfinished.  I believe the Duc's at least have the clear (sometimes called
"gel") coat, do they not?  The clear coat makes 'em nice and shiny and helps
the carbon fiber pattern relect nicely in light.

Jeff
     



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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Oct  3 07:31 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

> 
> Hugh sed:
> 
> Now why would a racer want a 5 gal. tank?  =)
> -------------------
> The little article that went with the picture mentioned a
> reasonably substantial weight drop from the stock tank-
> 6 lbs?  Of course, that's offset by the added fuel weight.
> Too pricey for me, too., though., . :9)  (

Uhhhhhhhh, how expensive?

How much does the little sucker cost?  (not that I mind re-filling 
every 100 miles.  no, really, I don't mind at all ;-)


-Mike



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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Oct  3 07:34 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator

> Subject:  Fender Eliminator
> 
> 
>     Fender Eliminator kit?
>     
>     I've seen them on other bikes but not for a Hawk. Do they exist?
>     
>     Inquiring minds want to know!

Skip the eliminator kit and butcher the fender yourself.  It's very 
easy, free, and looks quite nice if done cleanly.

Remove the CyberChunk license-light/reflector assembly (shaves off
about 4 lbs), and cut the original fender off.  (remove the small
flange looking part at the bottom)  Voila!

I had to make my own license plate bracket, but a small piece of 
aluminum, a drill, and a vice took care of that.

Mike


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Oct  3 07:39 PDT 1995
Subject: Paint, shmaint


You people scare me.  You're starting to act like a bunch of
posers... ;-)

Every Hawk owner should paint their bike Flat Black.  Be sure
to add some dents to the tank, some scratches to the cowl (deep
enough to show through the paint, of course), and flail some
spooge onto the rear wheel for aesthetic effect.  Voila - Rat Hawk.
Oh, don't forget the Primus stickers, too.





Seriously, I think a gloss black, with a CF front fender, polished
wheels/swingarm/frame would look tasty, if not a bit excessive.
I've been toying with the idea of gloss blacking the bike with
gold lettering, adding a gloss black NSR fairing and solo
seat cowl.  Maybe throw in some red highlights for a splash
of color?


-Mike

PS - Until recently, I REALLY wanted to paint my bike yellow,
but it appears as though the idea was totally unoriginal. ;-(


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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Tue Oct  3 07:48 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Thanx/tires/fender kit

>Lotsa talk about tires here - here's my $.02.  My hawk's running on
>Metzlers - 110/80 up front, 160/60 in rear (the stock rear wheels had about
>1.5 oz added to it to balance for the larger tire).  After only 250 miles
>on the bike - I've got no complaints (steers well, leans over nice), but I
>couldn't imagine going larger in the rear.  The ride is good (I'm still
>messing with the shock (stock) though - before I rode it I set it to "3"
>and ever since I keep bumping it up - It's at "6" now and I'm sure it's
>just a matter of time before I notch it up to "7" -or look to the after
>market for something stiffer).

I weigh 185lbs and ended up with my pre-load at max (7) with the stock 
shock.  I never measure the sag, but at 30k miles the damping was so shot
that it seemed to need max preload to keep the rear end from wagging all
over the place.  I know have the Fox shock with the sag set correctly and
it feels a little funny because the Fox spring is a bit softer than stock.
I'm still just using the suggested damping settings which may be a little 
light for me.  It sure does suck the bumps up, though!  Adding ~1-1/2" of
spacers to the forks also got my front end sag sag down to 1" (with Prog-
ressive spings) and helped a whole lot.  

>I'm putting off any performance mods until next spring (so I can get more
>time on the bike).  However I'm toying with the idea of doing the "Fender
>Eliminator Kit" and losing the passenger pegs (gotta do something over the
>long winter!).  Anybody done this - any suggestions?

I have not done the kit but I've seen a couple of home-brew jobs that looked
good.  It's real easy to take the passenger peg brackets off and the bike 
looks better, but they do offer a lot of protection to the seat cowling and
rear turn signal if you drop the bike.  I've dropped mine both with and with-
out the brackets in place.  :^(

David Mackintosh      '82 245 Turbo  '92 Sovereign  '95 Moda  '89 Hawk GT
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Germantown, MD, USA          DoD #1360



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From wroof@ns1.netside.com Tue Oct  3 07:55 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Party?  Over here even!

>I am thinking that we should do something like this in the general
>DC-Balt-Richmond-PA area one of these days.  esp when the leaves go.
>Anyone interested?

        Sounds great. Why should the Left Coasters have all the fun? The RCR
was a something of a Hawk gathering, with 5 in attendance, so let's be sure
and cross-post to the EAST list when arrangements are set.

Dave Roof                "Life imitates art -- but badly."  Edward Abbey

wroof@mail.netside.com  w.roof@genie.geis.com [Yane]  '85 BMW K100RT [Waltraude]
West Columbia SC  BMWMOA 68743  HRCA  Conebutt        '88 Honda Hawk [Jason]
IBMWR Principal Euphonium



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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Oct  3 07:55 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Thanx/tires/fender kit

> 
> >Lotsa talk about tires here - here's my $.02.  My hawk's running on
> >Metzlers - 110/80 up front, 160/60 in rear (the stock rear wheels had about
> >1.5 oz added to it to balance for the larger tire).  After only 250 miles
> >on the bike - I've got no complaints (steers well, leans over nice), but I
> >couldn't imagine going larger in the rear.  The ride is good (I'm still
> >messing with the shock (stock) though - before I rode it I set it to "3"
> >and ever since I keep bumping it up - It's at "6" now and I'm sure it's
> >just a matter of time before I notch it up to "7" -or look to the after
> >market for something stiffer).
> 
> I weigh 185lbs and ended up with my pre-load at max (7) with the stock 
> shock.  I never measure the sag, but at 30k miles the damping was so shot
> that it seemed to need max preload to keep the rear end from wagging all
> over the place.  I know have the Fox shock with the sag set correctly and
> it feels a little funny because the Fox spring is a bit softer than stock.
> I'm still just using the suggested damping settings which may be a little 
> light for me.  It sure does suck the bumps up, though!  Adding ~1-1/2" of
> spacers to the forks also got my front end sag sag down to 1" (with Prog-
> ressive spings) and helped a whole lot.  

YES!!  My stocker (which gets hucked in a couple of hours! THANX JIM!)
is totally shot, no damping at all, after only 24k miles.  I do ride
it pretty hard, but a lot of those miles were commuting miles
(ala Sac - Reno, 120mi each way).

The Progressives only added to the notion that the rear sucked rocks.
Now, I'm adding the new RR shock, I bet the front starts to feel 
inadequate again.  A never ending cycle?!?!?!  (no pun intended)


-Mike


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From sreeb@doctord.com Tue Oct  3 08:04 PDT 1995

	 
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From: sreeb@doctord.com (E. R. Beers Jr.)
Subject: Tires
To: hawkgt@dsea.com
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:15:39 +0800 (GMT+0800)
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Several recent discusions seem to indicate that the 120/70 591 bias ply -
180/55 Sportmax radial combination that my bike came with may not be quite
optimum.  

Is there any disagreement with a 110/80 MEZ1 - 160/60 MEZ2 as a good choice?

Note: For anyone thinking of trying it, clearance on the swingarm side is
marginal with the 180/55.

Ed


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From gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu Tue Oct  3 08:13 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank

Hey, I guess nobody got my post last week about the Watanabe tank.  I
wondered why there was no response.  Again, there's an article on it
in the latest HawkWorks newsletter.  The cost is $675.  Maybe if enough
of us ordered one, we could cut a deal with Mr. Watanabe.

      			Lost in cyberspace,

      			Pam

gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu


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From cfaison@magpage.com Tue Oct  3 08:29 PDT 1995
Subject: East Coast Party

OK, 

So we agree that there is interest in a get together for the folks on this
side of the country...

Who's gonna volunteer their home/hospitality/planning expertise? I'd love to
if you all want to cram into my little townhouse just south of Philly! 

BTW, I still don't have a Hawk; I've got one lined up, but it's current
owner must find a cage for the winter first. :-(  Anybody want to sell a
pickup truck to this kid so I can get my Hawk? $2,000. range. PLEASE HELP!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Craig D. Faison                          phone 302.325.5737
Kodak Imaging Services                   fax 302.322.2233
259 Quigley Blvd., Suite E               Email cfaison@magpage.com
New Castle, DE 19720
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Tue Oct  3 10:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions

Hi GTRider9, on Oct 1 you wrote:

> Just a thought--how about a CB1000 master cylinder?  It's designed for dual
> discs, is angled for low bars, and has a mirror mount.

Good idea, Thanks

Steve




------------------------------

From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Tue Oct  3 10:07 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: tires

Hi Craig, on Oct 2 you wrote:

> O.K. I'm going to open that old can of worms known as:
>=20
> Tire Recommendations!
>=20
> I'm purchasing a Hawk for roadracing purposes and I'd like to hear ev=
eryones
> success/failure stories related to tire make/model/size - specificall=
y size.
>=20
> I have seen a few posts regarding a 120 on the front... I think I'll =
stick
> to a 110.=20
>=20
> As far as the rear, I have seen anything from a 150 to a 170 on the s=
tock
> wheel and I'm curious what everyone has found to work the best.

If you choose to stick with the stock front wheel...I had Dunlop K591 E=
lite
SP Race 110/80VB17 and 170/60VB17 and was quite happy with them. HUGE
improvement over stock!

Steve




------------------------------

From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Tue Oct  3 10:07 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions

Hi Jeff, on Oct 02 you wrote:

> 
>      >Anyway my first question has to do with the CBR
> >master cylinder...obviously it has no mounting point for a mirror - where 
> >has everyone been putting their mirrors?  I am not too keen on bar end 
> >mirrors.  Did I even need to pick up the CBR master cylinder, or could I 
> >have used the Hawks?  I figured that the valving may have been different 
> >due to twin calipers.
> 
> Steve, you can use the stock Hawk master cylinder...it works great.
> 
> Jeff
>      
Are you using this setup?  Are there any differences?  It sure would make
things alot easier but I don't want to sacrifice any possible gain in the
swap.

Steve




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From blarney@wwa.com Tue Oct  3 10:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Paint, shmaint (fwd)

Mike Nielsen said: 
> 
> You people scare me.  You're starting to act like a bunch of
> posers... ;-)
> 
> Every Hawk owner should paint their bike Flat Black.  Be sure
> to add some dents to the tank, some scratches to the cowl (deep
> enough to show through the paint, of course), and flail some
> spooge onto the rear wheel for aesthetic effect.  Voila - Rat Hawk.
> Oh, don't forget the Primus stickers, too.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

when i got mine, it had Pearl Jam and Skinny Puppy stickers on it.
(it had also been down a few times by the original owner, not that
i'm drawing conclusions or anything... :) )

Carolyn Cullen
blarney@wwa.com        DoD#0450        '89 Hawk GT 



------------------------------

From jel@walker.com Tue Oct  3 10:31 PDT 1995
Subject: Re[2]: CBR Frontend Questions

     Yes, I'm using this set-up and I'm not giving anything away -- still
     get to use the mirrors too!
     
     Jeff


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: CBR Frontend Questions
Author:  Steve@hawk.dungeon.com (Steve Beatty) at INTERNET
Date:    10/3/95 10:36 AM


Hi Jeff, on Oct 02 you wrote:
     
> 
>      >Anyway my first question has to do with the CBR
> >master cylinder...obviously it has no mounting point for a mirror - where 
> >has everyone been putting their mirrors?  I am not too keen on bar end 
> >mirrors.  Did I even need to pick up the CBR master cylinder, or could I 
> >have used the Hawks?  I figured that the valving may have been different 
> >due to twin calipers.
> 
> Steve, you can use the stock Hawk master cylinder...it works great. 
> 
> Jeff
>      
Are you using this setup?  Are there any differences?  It sure would make 
things alot easier but I don't want to sacrifice any possible gain in the 
swap.
     
Steve
     
     



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Tue Oct  3 11:13 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Paint, shmaint

On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Mike Nielsen wrote:

> 
> You people scare me.  You're starting to act like a bunch of
> posers... ;-)
> 
> Every Hawk owner should paint their bike Flat Black.  Be sure
> to add some dents to the tank, some scratches to the cowl (deep
> enough to show through the paint, of course), and flail some
> spooge onto the rear wheel for aesthetic effect.  Voila - Rat Hawk.
> Oh, don't forget the Primus stickers, too.
> 

Good God!  And I thought MINE was a rat .  . at least mine's already 
yellow.  However, I think the dents in the tank are best when they're 
deep enough to knock loose chunks of Bondo from the LAST dent in the tank 
. . .

C y'all
DC



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Tue Oct  3 11:15 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Paint, shmaint (fwd)

> > Oh, don't forget the Primus stickers, too.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> when i got mine, it had Pearl Jam and Skinny Puppy stickers on it.
> (it had also been down a few times by the original owner, not that
> i'm drawing conclusions or anything... :) )

The true aficionado will have the PB "MOVE OVER, YER WANKER" sticker 
firmly affixed to the windscreen.  Anyone who'd like one is welcome to 
sniff through the tires at Loudon and find mine . . .

DC



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From rzimdars@camtronics.com Tue Oct  3 11:41 PDT 1995
Subject: Wisc/Illinois riders ?

     
     I know this is a longshot, but does anyone else on the list either 
     live in Wisconsin or race at Blackhawk Farms ? I'd be interested in 
     corresponding with any GT owners in the area.
     
     RobbZ
     '88 HawkGT (track bike)
     '90 Katana 1100 (street)
     rzimdars@camtronics.com



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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Tue Oct  3 11:44 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Rear brake line routing...

Hi stephen, on Oct 02 you wrote:

>   What are my options for brake
> >lines and how much do they cost?  And where could I route the rear l=
ine and
> >what would that entail? =20
> >
> I JUST ordered a stainless steel rear line, it is coming in this Frid=
ay.  It=20
> WILL be put on this weekend.  It is designed to be run through the sw=
ingarm.=20
>  The banjo fitting comes unattached - you run the line through a fron=
t=20
> existing hole and through a rear hole you drill yourself and then put=
=20the=20
> fitting on.  I don't think a touchy brake will be a problem.  If you =
can=20
> wait I will post the results after the installation.  BTW, I recently=
=20put a=20
> 900 shock on.  The kit costs $54.  I got mine from Chafong (1-800-CHA=
FONG). =20
> Two Brothers also sells it(sorry, don't know their LONG DISTANCE numb=
er off=20
> the top of my head or their price.)  I am sure it will look much bett=
er=20
> given that I don't have a chainguard either.
>=20
> Steve '89 700cc
>=20
Steve,

Please let us know exactly were to drill the back hole.  I have heard "=
at
the casting mark" (don't remember where) but there are two- one round a=
nd
one square?? I have a year old s/s line with removable a banjo and can'=
t
see spending fifty bucks for a drill bit (you do get one don't you) and=
=20a
picture.

Thanks,

Steve




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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Tue Oct  3 11:45 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

Hi DPBHAWK, on Oct 2 you wrote:

> Hi All,
> FYI,  Just got my new issue of Sport Rider. On page 12 there's a decent photo
> of a Hawk with the Watanabe Racing 5 gal. tank. Looks better than I expected
> but is a little costly.
> 
> Don - '88 Blew
> 
What month SR?

Steve




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From fox@z-code.ncd.com Tue Oct  3 11:55 PDT 1995
Subject: Bay Area paint shop recommendation?

hey, folks...

  speaking of paint jobs, i've been contemplating rewarding my trusty
blue '88 with a new coat sometime soon -- any Hawk riders in the SF Bay
Area have a recommendation for a paint/detailing shop?

much obliged,
--Greg



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From MStiv@postoffice.ptd.net Tue Oct  3 13:44 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator


>    Fender Eliminator kit?
>
>    I've seen them on other bikes but not for a Hawk. Do they exist?
>
>    Inquiring minds want to know!


Yes,

Competition Werkes (503-673-6059) has 'em for the Hawk.  Cost is around $70

Mike Stivala, Betelgeuse Productions
(MStiv@postoffice.ptd.net)

                                              ****************
                                              *      MY      *
                                              *   SIGNATURE  *
                                              ****************




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From tbrking@netvoyage.net Tue Oct  3 13:44 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Cal Emission Sys

>What's the best and/or easiest method to seal up the air intake pipes
>that go from the exhaust flange area to the device on the left side of
>the cylinders?  I currently have some large bolts stuck in the flexible
>tubing, but it looks lousy.
>
>Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242

Hi Phil, we just recently started to make a couple of different block-off
plugs for various Honda models. I am not certain if the two different
styles we have now will work on the HAWK or now. If you could fax me a
simple sketch of the flange interface (714-550-9661) I'll try to match it
up.


   Craig




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From SALUT@aol.com Tue Oct  3 13:54 PDT 1995
Subject: I'm back... I need a down pipe???

Hello all, 

I have recently returned from a three week vacation in France.
Boy did I have lots of mail.

I wanted to share some thing with all of you, before I asked my question. If
I may be so permited...

No objections, good let us proceed.
While on this vacation I spent four days with a cousin of mine in the south
of France. He lives in a small town right outside of Cannes called
Mandelieu-la-Napoule.  Anyway on the way back up to the Loire Valley (in the
middle of France) we were passed up on the Freeway of the Sun as the French
call it, by thousands of motorcycles.  The reason was a race that had just
taken place close to Marseilles called the BOL D'OR.  The equivalence of the
24hrs. of Le Mans but for Motorcycles. What a great race.  Anyway my wife and
I saw many bikes, including CBR's 1000, 900, &600 + many GSXR's and yes a few
Hawks (NTV650).  All of those bikes-what a sight.

Anyhow, here is my question.
Does anyone have a stock front down pipe for my 88 Hawk?  More specificaly
does anyone in the California or southern California region have a stock
front down pipe they would be willing to part with for a reasonable price?

If so please contact me asap.
SALUT@aol.com

Thank you all in advance.  I have posted this before so if this is Deja-vu
for any of you sorry.

Merci >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A plus tard...



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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Oct  3 14:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Sprockets/Chain


Well, the DID X-ring (112 links, 520VM) is on the way, as are the 
Pro Tekk 520 sprockets (silver in color, 16/44, stock sizes, 520).

I'll fill ya'll in when I get the mod finished.  I got the 520 sprockets
from Pro Tekk directly for $60.00 total + shipping, and the chain from
Chapparel for $80.00.  I _thought_ I was saving money, but it turns out
that Pro Tekk would have cost just as much as buying them separately,
and I would've gotten them in the same package on Friday, as opposed to
getting the sprockets on Friday and the chain two weeks from now.

Oooooooh, I saved $10.00.  ;-)  Oh well, I REALLY need the chain anyway,
so I'm just waitin for the stuiff to come in (Chapparal said the chain
will take a while because they have to order it first, but I could
have gotten it Friday from Pro Tekk.  Since my math skills are in
the toilet, I thought I was saving a substantial amount of cash
by buying them separately, but I'm only saving a $10.)


-Mike


------------------------------

From CoachJim94@aol.com Tue Oct  3 16:00 PDT 1995
Subject: 900rr shock

 Hey guys and gals with the rr shock swap. I was wondering if the increased
ride height in back made any noticeable change in the front end feel? 

 Also, does it put a whole lot of extra weight on the arms? I was wondering
how one would feel after a few hundred miles of touring as compared to the
stock setup.

Let me know,
Jim


------------------------------

From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Oct  3 16:24 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: 900rr shock

> 
>  Hey guys and gals with the rr shock swap. I was wondering if the increased
> ride height in back made any noticeable change in the front end feel? 

Should see soon (see below):

> 
>  Also, does it put a whole lot of extra weight on the arms? I was wondering
> how one would feel after a few hundred miles of touring as compared to the
> stock setup.

I think it will be excruciating, especially with the F2 bars.  I'll
letcha know tomorrow when I get it mounted up.
(I just bought the shock, and need to get the spring swapped, then
awaaaayy I go!)


Mike


------------------------------

From danac@leland.Stanford.EDU Tue Oct  3 16:48 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Paint, shmaint (fwd)

On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Carolyn Cullen wrote:

> Mike Nielsen said: 
> > 
> > You people scare me.  You're starting to act like a bunch of
> > posers... ;-)
> > 
> > Every Hawk owner should paint their bike Flat Black.  Be sure
> > to add some dents to the tank, some scratches to the cowl (deep
> > enough to show through the paint, of course), and flail some
> > spooge onto the rear wheel for aesthetic effect.  Voila - Rat Hawk.
> > Oh, don't forget the Primus stickers, too.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> when i got mine, it had Pearl Jam and Skinny Puppy stickers on it.
> (it had also been down a few times by the original owner, not that
> i'm drawing conclusions or anything... :) )
> 
> Carolyn Cullen
> blarney@wwa.com        DoD#0450        '89 Hawk GT 
> 
> 
What no No Fear Stickers!  For shame.  Anyway who needs paint when 
stickers are so much cheaper to cover the dents.


Dana


------------------------------

From GTRider9@aol.com Tue Oct  3 17:57 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator

In a message dated 95-10-03 10:45:02 EDT, greaney@ee.unr.edu (Mike Nielsen)
writes:

>...Remove the CyberChunk license-light/reflector assembly (shaves off
>about 4 lbs), and cut the original fender off.  (remove the small
>flange looking part at the bottom)  Voila!
>
>I had to make my own license plate bracket, but a small piece of 
>aluminum, a drill, and a vice took care of that....

Keep in mind that you need to add some kind of license-plate light to
maintain legality after dark.  Personally, I try not to attract any unneeded
attention from the constabulary.

Dave


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From GTRider9@aol.com Tue Oct  3 18:04 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Thanx/tires/fender kit

In a message dated 95-10-03 11:06:18 EDT, greaney@ee.unr.edu (Mike Nielsen)
writes:

>The Progressives only added to the notion that the rear sucked rocks.
>Now, I'm adding the new RR shock, I bet the front starts to feel 
>inadequate again.  A never ending cycle?!?!?!  (no pun intended)

I ran the Progressive fork springs in my Hawk for several years before I got
my CBR fork legs.  I found that they worked great, but sacked out steadily.
 Every year or so I had to add about 1/2" to my preload spacers to bring the
ride height back up.  You guys that have been running them for a while might
check your sag again and see if it's still where it should be.  I have had no
such problem with the F2 springs, but they might be too stiff for a lighter
rider--they're pretty firm. 

Dave


------------------------------

From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Tue Oct  3 18:16 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...



On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Val Gregory wrote:

> Hugh sed:
> 
> Now why would a racer want a 5 gal. tank?  =)
> -------------------
> The little article that went with the picture mentioned a
> reasonably substantial weight drop from the stock tank-
> 6 lbs?  Of course, that's offset by the added fuel weight.
> Too pricey for me, too., though., . :9)  (
> 
Let's see.  A pint's a pound.  Two pints in a quart, 4 quarts in a 
gallon.  A full tank therefore ...

As Val says, it's pretty much just an intellectual exercise for me in any 
case at that price!

Ellen
'89 red 


------------------------------

From ehofmann@freenet.vcu.edu Tue Oct  3 19:22 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Duc yellow hawk.



>i saw a hawk the other day here in DC with duc yellow paint.  other than
>that it was stock.  it looked great from afar.  close up it looked like
>someone used a brush to paint it.  nevertheless, the color worked.  i
>might consider this eventually, depending on how city life upsets my blue
>paint.  i'd be interested to know if anyone else seen this.  i've seen a
>yellow  hawk before at the races, but it wasnt really the right yellow. 
>(no dennis, not your lime hawk, it was the old land-air hawk with a new
>owner.)
>

There is a yellow Hawk here in Richmond. It's an 88 with a good
paint job & a new TBR pipe. It looks nice. Personaly I think
yellow makes the bike look smaller & I'm not sure I like that.
That's just an opinion, people w/ yellow bikes, please don't
flame. :)

Ed
89 Yes RED


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From ehofmann@freenet.vcu.edu Tue Oct  3 19:30 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline -Reply



>
>I am thinking that we should do something like this in the general
>DC-Balt-Richmond-PA area one of these days.  esp when the leaves go.
>Anyone interested?
>
>-S
>
There will be a large (so I'm told) ride from Richmond to the
mountains this Sunday Oct. 8. Starting at Power Sports (I think
that's the correct name), a Kawaski dealer on west midlothian
tpk. at 8 am. How about it easteern Hawkers? I plan to be
there...

If anyone is interested and needs more details, let me know.
I'll try to log back on by Sat.

Ed
89 Red


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Oct  3 21:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator

> 
> In a message dated 95-10-03 10:45:02 EDT, greaney@ee.unr.edu (Mike Nielsen)
> writes:
> 
> >...Remove the CyberChunk license-light/reflector assembly (shaves off
> >about 4 lbs), and cut the original fender off.  (remove the small
> >flange looking part at the bottom)  Voila!
> >
> >I had to make my own license plate bracket, but a small piece of 
> >aluminum, a drill, and a vice took care of that....
> 
> Keep in mind that you need to add some kind of license-plate light to
> maintain legality after dark.  Personally, I try not to attract any unneeded
> attention from the constabulary.

Well, I had the 'misfortune' of a faulty tail light, so I had nowhere
to go but up! ;-)

Mike

PS - I know, I'm an electrical engineer, and should have just changed
the damn bulb, but that was too easy.  I require challenge...


------------------------------

From alan@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu Tue Oct  3 21:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator

>Well, I had the 'misfortune' of a faulty tail light, so I had nowhere
>to go but up! ;-)
>
>Mike
>
>PS - I know, I'm an electrical engineer, and should have just changed
>the damn bulb, but that was too easy.  I require challenge...


Don't forget to remove the stalks off the left and right rear blinker
lights too.  Oh yes, and and if by some "accident" your license plate bends
up at an angle it makes reading it much more difficult.  The only thing
worse than that is the way mud and exhaust soot manages to "collect" only
on the license plate.  Damn.  I hate it when that happens...
Alan



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From alan@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu Tue Oct  3 22:01 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: 900rr shock

> Hey guys and gals with the rr shock swap. I was wondering if the increased
>ride height in back made any noticeable change in the front end feel? 
>
> Also, does it put a whole lot of extra weight on the arms? I was wondering
>how one would feel after a few hundred miles of touring as compared to the
>stock setup.
>
>Let me know,
>Jim

Hi Jim, 
I did the rr shock swap a few months ago and I loved it.  The back end
dosen't sit as high as after the initial install (or at least it seems to
have settled) or maybe I just got used to it.  The front feels more
"planted"  more stable and still makes great stoppies.  Oh yeah, doing
stoppies seem easier because landing the back wheel is easier without a lot
of of a pogo-ing.  As far as touring, sorry, can't help you too much there.
I'm on an island in the middle of the Pacific, remember?  But let's just
say if your clip-ons were mounted under the triple clamp it couldn't make
things any worse.

Alan



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From GTRider9@aol.com Tue Oct  3 22:38 PDT 1995
Subject: Fwd: Watanabe tank


---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    Re: Watanabe tank
Date:    95-10-03 21:24:13 EDT
From:    GT Rider 9

To:      gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.eduhawkgt@dsea.com

In a message dated 95-10-03 11:24:28 EDT, gilman@mtwil1 writes:

>Hey, I guess nobody got my post last week about the Watanabe tank.  I
>wondered why there was no response.  Again, there's an article on it
>in the latest HawkWorks newsletter.  The cost is $675.  Maybe if enough
>of us ordered one, we could cut a deal with Mr. Watanabe.
>
>      			Lost in cyberspace,
>
>      			Pam

I think I'll wait for Frank to get his steel tanks into production.  The last
thing I want in a crash is 5 gallons of gas barfed all over me from a broken
plastic tank--plus the steel tank will hopefully be cheaper.  I've actually
been getting pretty respectable mileage lately anyway (64 mpg on one 40-mile
stretch recently--No Lie!!) so the fuel capacity problem is not so pressing
at the moment.

I would like to do something by next summer though (that's a big fat hint
Frank!  Pleeease keep working on it!!)

Dave




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From alan@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu Tue Oct  3 22:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Rear Brake routing

My problem -- Exactly where do you drill in the swingarm?  And how big is
the bit?  And how long should the ss line be?  I found a local hydraulic
shop to make me a brake line, although I don't think that it has a screw-on
banjo bolt.  I'd like to keep the hole in my swingarm as small as possible
(structural integrity and all that) so what do you recommend?  

Thanks
Alan



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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Wed Oct  4 04:33 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator

>Keep in mind that you need to add some kind of license-plate light to
>maintain legality after dark.  Personally, I try not to attract any unneeded
>attention from the constabulary.

Also in my state, we have large reflective white plates which I think really
add to the visibility at night when lit up.

David Mackintosh      '82 245 Turbo  '92 Sovereign  '95 Moda  '89 Hawk GT
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Germantown, MD, USA          DoD #1360



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From heaven@pogo.den.mmc.com Wed Oct  4 05:24 PDT 1995
Subject: East Coast Party (fwd)

Craig Wrote:

So we agree that there is interest in a get together for the folks on this
side of the country...

Who's gonna volunteer their home/hospitality/planning expertise? I'd love to
if you all want to cram into my little townhouse just south of Philly! 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Craig D. Faison                          phone 302.325.5737
Kodak Imaging Services                   fax 302.322.2233
259 Quigley Blvd., Suite E               Email cfaison@magpage.com
New Castle, DE 19720
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     Sounds pretty cool, I'd like to attend if the timing works out.
I would bring the race hawk to show but it probably won't be back 
together for a while (big crash).

Brian Heaven



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From vgregory@mckinley.den.mmc.com Wed Oct  4 05:54 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

You sed:
Uhhhhhhhh, how expensive?

How much does the little sucker cost?  (not that I mind re-filling 
every 100 miles.  no, really, I don't mind at all ;-)


-Mike
---------------
I haven't gotten thru my mail (53 messages! and apparently ALL from this
list!  AMAZING!), so this is probably redundant, but the tank costs $675
plus shipping.  I NEED an Aerostich more at this point - and I'm a little
nervous about a composite tank vs. a steel one.   Oh, well - the
frequent gas stops ensure that nobody riding with me has to wait lon
for a potty-stop. ;)

Val Gregory
'90 Hawk GT - "Redtailed"
DoD #1258


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From jamesm@calweb.com Wed Oct  4 10:54 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Fwd: Watanabe tank

On Wed, 4 Oct 1995 GTRider9@aol.com wrote:

> I think I'll wait for Frank to get his steel tanks into production.  The last
> thing I want in a crash is 5 gallons of gas barfed all over me from a broken
> plastic tank--plus the steel tank will hopefully be cheaper.  I've actually

Who's this?  Is someone planning on making larger steel tanks for the Hawk?
Details, please!

------
james montebello - jamesm@calweb.com

CORPORATION - n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without
individual responsibility.  - Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_



------------------------------

From jel@walker.com Wed Oct  4 11:07 PDT 1995
Subject: Re[2]: Fwd: Watanabe tank

     We'll give you details, but first you must write...
     
     "I will pay attention to Uncle Frank's posts"
     
     two thousand times.  Until then, you get NOTHING!
     
     bu-ahh, ha, ha,ha!
     
     Jeff  ;^)


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Fwd: Watanabe tank
Author:  James Montebello  at INTERNET
Date:    10/4/95 11:12 AM


On Wed, 4 Oct 1995 GTRider9@aol.com wrote:
     
> I think I'll wait for Frank to get his steel tanks into production.  The last 
> thing I want in a crash is 5 gallons of gas barfed all over me from a broken 
> plastic tank--plus the steel tank will hopefully be cheaper.  I've actually
     
Who's this?  Is someone planning on making larger steel tanks for the Hawk? 
Details, please!
     
------
james montebello - jamesm@calweb.com
     
CORPORATION - n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without 
individual responsibility.  - Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
     



------------------------------

From greaney@ee.unr.edu Wed Oct  4 11:14 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Fwd: Watanabe tank

> 
> On Wed, 4 Oct 1995 GTRider9@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > I think I'll wait for Frank to get his steel tanks into production.  The last
> > thing I want in a crash is 5 gallons of gas barfed all over me from a broken
> > plastic tank--plus the steel tank will hopefully be cheaper.  I've actually
> 
> Who's this?  Is someone planning on making larger steel tanks for the Hawk?
> Details, please!

Frank P., the listmeister, was working on fabbing a steel tank from
the original carcass and making it BIG.  I don't know how far he's gotten
yet, but I'm really interested in seeing how it turns out.


-Mike


------------------------------

From jel@walker.com Wed Oct  4 11:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Re[2]: Fwd: Watanabe tank

     Mike!  You've broken the code of silence.  You must be punished...
     
     I KNOW!  We'll paint you yellow.  8^D
     
     (too many Pepsi's today)
     
     Jeff


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Fwd: Watanabe tank
Author:  Mike Nielsen  at INTERNET
Date:    10/4/95 11:21 AM


> 
> On Wed, 4 Oct 1995 GTRider9@aol.com wrote: 
> 
> > I think I'll wait for Frank to get his steel tanks into production.  The 
last
> > thing I want in a crash is 5 gallons of gas barfed all over me from a broken
> > plastic tank--plus the steel tank will hopefully be cheaper.  I've actually 
> 
> Who's this?  Is someone planning on making larger steel tanks for the Hawk? 
> Details, please!
     
Frank P., the listmeister, was working on fabbing a steel tank from
the original carcass and making it BIG.  I don't know how far he's gotten 
yet, but I'm really interested in seeing how it turns out.
     
     
-Mike



------------------------------

From JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Wed Oct  4 13:56 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

Amen!  130 to 150 miles at a sitting is plenty for me, even on my touring
bikes.  I guess there are places in this world (like the Dakotas or Canada)
where you don't dare pass a gas station and an extra couple of gallons would
be really nice insurance.  But, it's simply not a good idea from a safety and
comfort perspective to go more than a couple of hours between breaks.  And
that's in perfect weather.  When its cold or hot, breaks should be no more
than an hour apart (I know, I know . . . 130 miles is only a bit over an hour
for some of you immortal types, and for you safety and comfort are
irrelevant.  Never mind . . . .).

Actually, I don't get much more to a tank (5 gal) on my old '76 Gold Wing
(and my old Harley Panhead doesn't do even that well). And that's here in the
States   I used to get no where near that far on a tank in Germany where
running at full wobble (I guess technically that's at full weave) on the
Autobahn really sucks down the fuel at an alarmingly expensive rate.  I
suppose that is part of the reason they call it a "Gold" Wing.

I also share the misgivings some have expressed about the safety of carbon
fiber as a tank material. It's "strong" for its weight, but I simply don't
know how "tough" it is in terms of impact and penetration resistance.  Seems
to me a cheaper and safer way to save 6 lbs for racing would be to simply
carry a gallon less fuel (or 6 lb less personal weight, although for some
that's easier said than done).  That should still leave plenty for sprint
races.  For sport rides and endurance races, the extra 6 lbs isn't going to
make any significant difference in performance anyway.

JT    


------------------------------

From greaney@ee.unr.edu Wed Oct  4 15:19 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

> 
> Amen!  130 to 150 miles at a sitting is plenty for me, even on my touring
> bikes.  I guess there are places in this world (like the Dakotas or Canada)

And Nevada.  =)

> where you don't dare pass a gas station and an extra couple of gallons would
> be really nice insurance.  But, it's simply not a good idea from a safety and
> comfort perspective to go more than a couple of hours between breaks.  And
> that's in perfect weather.  When its cold or hot, breaks should be no more
> than an hour apart (I know, I know . . . 130 miles is only a bit over an hour
> for some of you immortal types, and for you safety and comfort are
> irrelevant.  Never mind . . . .).

Why, thanks!  I usually don't go more than 2 hours without a break,
cuz by then my ass hurts so bad I could scream (and usually do).

> Actually, I don't get much more to a tank (5 gal) on my old '76 Gold Wing
> (and my old Harley Panhead doesn't do even that well). And that's here in the
> States   I used to get no where near that far on a tank in Germany where
> running at full wobble (I guess technically that's at full weave) on the
> Autobahn really sucks down the fuel at an alarmingly expensive rate.  I
> suppose that is part of the reason they call it a "Gold" Wing.

Actually, it's because Gold is such a heavy element.  It has nothing to
do with it's relative worth.

> I also share the misgivings some have expressed about the safety of carbon
> fiber as a tank material. It's "strong" for its weight, but I simply don't
> know how "tough" it is in terms of impact and penetration resistance.  Seems
> to me a cheaper and safer way to save 6 lbs for racing would be to simply
> carry a gallon less fuel (or 6 lb less personal weight, although for some

I'm inclined to agree, but I would imagine that the tank has some sort
of safety liner that prevents such a thing from happening.  Probablty
a safety membrane of some sort to keep the gas inside in the event of
an accident.


-Mike


------------------------------

From jamesm@calweb.com Wed Oct  4 15:32 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

On Wed, 4 Oct 1995 JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote:

> Amen!  130 to 150 miles at a sitting is plenty for me, even on my touring
> bikes.  I guess there are places in this world (like the Dakotas or Canada)
> where you don't dare pass a gas station and an extra couple of gallons would
> be really nice insurance.  But, it's simply not a good idea from a safety and
> comfort perspective to go more than a couple of hours between breaks.  And

I need more range, and not just the Dakotas or Canada, and not just for
touring.  When I go sport riding up in the Sierras, for example, I may
stop every 40 miles or so, but that doesn't mean I'm stopping at a gas
station, or that I've seen one.  Having to plan stops around towns with
gas stations is a pain, esp. when everyone else's tank will take than
160-200 miles, and mine will only go 120 or so (high altitude, high
revs). Believe me, that extra gallon or two would come in quite handy.

The concern over "toughness" of the carbon fiber parts is also
misplaced.  The carbon fiber chassis used in F1 and IndyCar are quite
capable of surviving very high crash loads.  There is no good reason to
feel that a properly designed CF gas tank wouldn't be just as safe as a
steel tank.  Such a tank would also be much more crash-worthy, since it
wouldn't dent.  When it did fail, it would do so at loads that would
also cause a steel tank to fail.


------
james montebello - jamesm@calweb.com

CORPORATION - n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without
individual responsibility.  - Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_


------------------------------

From METTING@AMC.UVA.NL Wed Oct 11 12:33 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Hawk Mods.


>>3. Go with the Kosman front wheel mod to 3.5".  (and fit better rubber)
>
>Used f2 may be cheaper, takes Hawk rotor?
>

I have used the F2 wheel for a while with the stock Hawk forks, brake
caliper and disk. With the F2 wheel, the brake disk runs approx. 1 mm nearer
to the left fork and as a result only a minimal gap beteen the rotor and the
caliper bracket remains. Therefore, approx. 1 mm should be removed from the
inside of the brake mounting lugs on the fork. This can be done be hand with
a straight, flat file. File slowly and check regularly with a micrometer to
ensure that both sides of each lug remain parallel.
With a 120/60 tire, the gap between the Hawk fender and the tire is too
large. The CB1 fender has the correct clearence but you will have to
fabricate 4 spacers to fill the gaps between the fender and the fork lugs.
The thickness of these spacers is critical in order to avoid fork stiction
if you use the CB1 fork-brace. I could not detect a reduction in handling
with the fork-brace left out.
With a 120/60 tire and the Hawk speedo-drive, the reading will be approx. 10
% too high. A F2 speedo-drive combined with the Hawk instrument gives a
fairly accurate reading.
Some 120/60 tires such as Michelin Hi-Sport give a 'dropping into corners'
sensation at low speed with the forks in the standard position. This effect
disappears if the forks are mounted slightly lower in the yokes (5 mm makes
a large difference in feel). Steering is a bit slower but cornering on wet
roads is much easier.

Bye, Coen                       Coen MettingVanRijn
                                metting@amc.uva.nl
                                Hawk '88    
A.C. MettingVanRijn



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From sreeb@doctord.com Wed Oct  4 16:38 PDT 1995

	 
	id m0t0PVO-0003mSC; Wed, 4 Oct 95 16:48 GMT+0800
Message-Id: 
From: sreeb@doctord.com (E. R. Beers Jr.)
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...
To: hawkgt@dsea.com
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:48:46 +0800 (GMT+0800)
In-Reply-To:  from "James Montebello" at Oct 4, 95 03:41:18 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Content-Type: text
Content-Length: 2091      

> 
> On Wed, 4 Oct 1995 JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Amen!  130 to 150 miles at a sitting is plenty for me, even on my touring
> > bikes.  I guess there are places in this world (like the Dakotas or Canada)
> > where you don't dare pass a gas station and an extra couple of gallons would
> > be really nice insurance.  But, it's simply not a good idea from a safety and
> > comfort perspective to go more than a couple of hours between breaks.  And
> 
> I need more range, and not just the Dakotas or Canada, and not just for
> touring.  When I go sport riding up in the Sierras, for example, I may
> stop every 40 miles or so, but that doesn't mean I'm stopping at a gas
> station, or that I've seen one.  Having to plan stops around towns with
> gas stations is a pain, esp. when everyone else's tank will take than
> 160-200 miles, and mine will only go 120 or so (high altitude, high
> revs). Believe me, that extra gallon or two would come in quite handy.

I want more range so I don't have to stop for gas every third day I ride
to work.  Just because I can stop for gas every time I go aroung the 
block doesn't mean I want to .

> 
> The concern over "toughness" of the carbon fiber parts is also
> misplaced.  The carbon fiber chassis used in F1 and IndyCar are quite
> capable of surviving very high crash loads.  There is no good reason to

Is this surviving intack from the protect the driver standpoint or
from the contain a liquid stand point?

> feel that a properly designed CF gas tank wouldn't be just as safe as a
> steel tank.  Such a tank would also be much more crash-worthy, since it
> wouldn't dent.  When it did fail, it would do so at loads that would
> also cause a steel tank to fail.
> 

My feeling is that a CF tank is less likely to dent ( a cosmetic 
problem) but more likely to break spilling gas ( a safety problem ).
I would feel better about a polyethylene tank tank from a crash
standpoint.  These are widely used on dirt bikes and are also much
cheaper.  Cosmetics may be a problem for those of who don't intend
to spray our bikes flat black.

Ed 



------------------------------

From MStiv@postoffice.ptd.net Wed Oct 11 13:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???


>There is little to compare. Ours is a full system using our race proven
>header pipes. Walker's is a slip-on which utilizes the stock small
>diameter, right side ground scraping head pipes.

(it costs....)

>$399.98 with round canister and $419.98 with the C-2 (oval) canister.


Hey Craig,

        As long as we're on this subject.  Is the left-side pipe you're
describing the NEW one (as pictured in the Sept/Oct HawkWorks)?


>
>Right side has a longer canister, 18" as compared to the left's 14" so it's
>a bit more quiet. Unlimited ground clearance on the right as compared to
>slightly restricted clearance on the left.
>

I realize this is a tough question to answer but how loud is the new
left-side pipe compared to say the one I have on my bike now (Supertrapp
w/all disks in).  The reason I ask is I've heard your pipes described as
"quiet" by some riders.  I'm looking to switch to a left-side pipe, but I'd
like to keep the "low rumble" sound I get outta the 'trapp.

Also do I need to loose the center or side stand to mount it?  Is replacing
the pipe a job an average shade-tree mechanic can do? Do I need a jet kit
to match it or can I run the stock carb for now?

Thanx in advance for any help!

CU-

Mike (holding the TBR catalouge in my hands) Stivala
mstiv@postoffice.ptd.net


                                                                   '89 Hawk GT




------------------------------

From Phil_Calvin@unc.edu Wed Oct  4 17:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...



>The concern over "toughness" of the carbon fiber parts is also
>misplaced.  The carbon fiber chassis used in F1 and IndyCar are quite
>capable of surviving very high crash loads.  There is no good reason to
>feel that a properly designed CF gas tank wouldn't be just as safe as a
>steel tank.  Such a tank would also be much more crash-worthy, since it
>wouldn't dent.  When it did fail, it would do so at loads that would
>also cause a steel tank to fail.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree.

CF is brittle.  It tends to break catastrophically.


For instance on a kayak paddle, my experience is that the CF shaft never
bends permanently or cracks from fatigue, it just suddenly shears all the
way across.  Blammo, you've now got two short paddles.

Additionally, CF kayaks are generally (this is true for Kevlar too) not
made entirely of CF, since they then have very little ability to sustain
impacts with rocks.  One good hit, and they crack.  The CF is "tempered"
with some regular glass to add resilience.  This way it has the ability to
bend substantially and the snap back.

Consider this:
If I were to hit a steel tank, it would just dent.  If I hit the same CF
tank, it opens up a crack, probably inches long, and spills fuel all over
me.

I haven't seen the tank in question, so it's possible that it's
over-designed to the point that most reasonable impacts would be withstood.
It's also possible (if it really only weighs 3 lbs) that it's thin,
brittle and would rip wide open.

For racing situations, you're generally near medical help with fire
extinguishers.  Out on the street or in the mountains, you're on your own.


I'd probably still consider getting one if I had $700 to waste, but I don't
right now.

Fanning the flames,
Phil

Phil Calvin                                             DoD #242   '91 HawkGT
http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/ 




------------------------------

From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Wed Oct  4 17:12 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...



On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, James Montebello wrote:

> 
> I need more range, and not just the Dakotas or Canada, and not just for
> touring.  When I go sport riding up in the Sierras, for example, I may
> stop every 40 miles or so, but that doesn't mean I'm stopping at a gas
> station, or that I've seen one.  Having to plan stops around towns with
> gas stations is a pain, esp. when everyone else's tank will take than
> 160-200 miles, and mine will only go 120 or so (high altitude, high
> revs). Believe me, that extra gallon or two would come in quite handy.

I think James has a valid point.  It's no fun to have to continually plan
rides around gas stops rather than "logical" stopping points or scenic
points.  It's also a pain to ride with friends who can easily last for
well over 150 miles and have to drag them along to every gas station.
Listening to their comments can get pretty old :-) Actually one of my
riding friends has an Ascot that has an even shorter range than the Hawk. 
I recommend that you ride with a person like this from time to time so
that *you* can be the one who says, "Oh good grief!  Not _another_ gas
stop!" 
> 
> CORPORATION - n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without
> individual responsibility.  - Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
> 
Ellen Carrico		  Absurdity.  A statement or belief manifestly
ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us    inconsistent with one's own opinion.
							Ambrose Bierce


------------------------------

From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Wed Oct  4 17:24 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Paint, shmaint



On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Mike Nielsen wrote:

> Seriously, I think a gloss black, with a CF front fender, polished
> wheels/swingarm/frame would look tasty, if not a bit excessive.

How about a candy coat that looks black except in direct sun so that where 
the sun glints off of the curves it shows a deep red or blue sparkling 
beneath?

ellen


------------------------------

From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Wed Oct  4 18:31 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Paint, shmaint

>On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Mike Nielsen wrote:
>
>> Seriously, I think a gloss black, with a CF front fender, polished
>> wheels/swingarm/frame would look tasty, if not a bit excessive.
>
>How about a candy coat that looks black except in direct sun so that where
>the sun glints off of the curves it shows a deep red or blue sparkling
>beneath?

AAAAARRRGHGGHGHGHH!!!!  THAT was my secret REAL paint scheme!  Candy clear
over gloss black.  !?!?$#$%Q)@#!!!

Oh well.  I guess I'll have to go with the hot pink and turquoise...

Hugh




------------------------------

From tbrking@twobros.com Wed Oct  4 19:16 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank

>>Victoria, B.C.<<  ??

What  beautiful island that is. You lucky dog.


   Craig




------------------------------

From tbrking@twobros.com Wed Oct  4 19:18 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

>The concern over "toughness" of the carbon fiber parts is also
>misplaced.  The carbon fiber chassis used in F1 and IndyCar are quite
>capable of surviving very high crash loads.  There is no good reason to
>feel that a properly designed CF gas tank wouldn't be just as safe as a
>steel tank.  Such a tank would also be much more crash-worthy, since it
>wouldn't dent.  When it did fail, it would do so at loads that would
>also cause a steel tank to fail.

Ah... please define properly designed. We are talking about a single layer
skin shell made in some guys's garage here, arn't we?


   Craig (who likes to stir it up every now and than)




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From tbrking@twobros.com Wed Oct  4 19:40 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines

>>
>>Craig,
>>
>>This sort of cheap spam is not called for on this list, IMHO.  We all know
>>your phone number, and many if not most have some product sold by you, so
>>we don't need any one-liner "buy it from me now" statements.  You just
>>make yourself look sleazy.  Maintain your image as a storehouse of solid
>>performance knowledge and you'll have them knocking on your door, waving
>>greenbacks and Visa cards.
>>
>>A far better (and tactful) way of getting your message across is to put a
>>signature on your mail.  Something small and "to-the-point", like
>>
>>---
>>Craig Erion             Two Brothers Racing
>>                     Honda Performance Products           714.550.6070


Ouch! That really hurt. 




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From rdean@uvaix.UVic.CA Wed Oct  4 21:07 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank

Ellen & Craig:
Thanks for the reply.  I discovered this group by accident and all the info is
great.  I take a ride on dry weekends up Vancouver Island and it is mostly 
scenic.  The flip side is that there really is only one highway to take so it
gets repetitious.  But, LOTS of places to buy a great breakfast.  I'm not
able to give blood any more - apparently contaminated with eggs benedict.

Down to business.  One of you keeners with clout should petition Honda to supply
a touring tank!  We own a small sailboat that customers would'nt let C&C
discontinue - until they went broke (customers and C&C.)  Threre must be a 
lonely exec now lower down in Honda once responsibe for sales of the Hawk who
would be excited to hear about customer pressure from owners.  Designing a 
larger tank should be trivial for them and would allow all the present 
fittings to be used.

We had a trip to Germany this last summer (my wife finally started her 
career, some thirty years after mine) and the "romantic road" area north of 
Munich looks
fantastic for the Hawk.  Most motorcyles on the autobaun looked intimidated 
by the speed of the cars but the secondary roads looked like perfect Hawk 
country.
A larger tank would make a lot of sense here.

Well, I'm starting to ramble, see you later.

Bob
'88 Hawk (that normally looks black but glints a beautiful metallic dark 
blue in the sun!)



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From GTRider9@aol.com Wed Oct  4 21:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

In a message dated 95-10-04 18:43:41 EDT, jamesm@calweb.com (James
Montebello) writes:

>The concern over "toughness" of the carbon fiber parts is also
>misplaced.  The carbon fiber chassis used in F1 and IndyCar are quite
>capable of surviving very high crash loads.  There is no good reason to
>feel that a properly designed CF gas tank wouldn't be just as safe as a
>steel tank

Oh, I don't know about that, Jim--I've watched a lot of F1 and IndyCar racing
lately, and it looks to me like those cars are pretty darned flimsy.  Even
the slightest impact can put a car out of commission for the rest of the
event.  You might be referring to cockpit ("tub") integrity, but in the case
of IndyCars, cf is NOT allowed in the tubs--they are required to be
fiberglass.  The fuel tanks contain a foam bladder that helps keep fuel from
leaking out after a crash, but said foam (a) takes up about 25% of the tank's
total volume and (b) makes certain operations (draining the tank for the
winter for instance) more difficult.  I'll still take steel.

Dave


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From GTRider9@aol.com Wed Oct  4 21:29 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fwd: Watanabe tank

In a message dated 95-10-04 14:19:13 EDT, jel@walker.com (Jeff Leveroni)
writes:

>  "I will pay attention to Uncle Frank's posts"
>     
>     two thousand times.  Until then, you get NOTHING!
>     
>     bu-ahh, ha, ha,ha!
>     
>     Jeff  ;^)

I'm reeealllyyy starting to worry about you, Jeff.  I just hope they're
keeping all the sharp objects out of your reach.
You're not RIDING in this condition are you?
Dave


------------------------------

From greaney@ee.unr.edu Wed Oct  4 21:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fwd: Watanabe tank

> 
> In a message dated 95-10-04 14:19:13 EDT, jel@walker.com (Jeff Leveroni)
> writes:
> 
> >  "I will pay attention to Uncle Frank's posts"
> >     
> >     two thousand times.  Until then, you get NOTHING!
> >     
> >     bu-ahh, ha, ha,ha!
> >     
> >     Jeff  ;^)
> 
> I'm reeealllyyy starting to worry about you, Jeff.  I just hope they're
> keeping all the sharp objects out of your reach.
> You're not RIDING in this condition are you?

Are you kidding?  His Hawk is so cool now, it's the REASON that he's
like this!  ;-)   (remember: a stoppie isn't a stoppie until the rear
wheel hits you in the back of the head)


-Mike



------------------------------

From scutchin@vt.edu Wed Oct  4 22:07 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: 700cc

>scutchin@vt.edu (stephen r. cutchins) writes:
>
>> >So, I understand you have a 700cc hawk.  I have an 88, and have been thinkin
>> >
>> I think it was actually a 2mm overbore, not 3.  702cc sounds right.  I took 
>> the cylinders and the new pistons to a local dealer and for $40/piece had 
>> increase in power is worth the effort.  After I got on the gas for the first 
>> time I said to myself in my helmet (really!!) "I've created a monster!!  So, 
>> yes, it is worth it.  The first time you rev it up and gravel is blown 
>> around ten feet behind the bike you will know you've done the right thing.
>> 
>> My advice is free, so call me as much as you like.  I've had mine since 
>> April '92, bought it new with 16 miles on the clock (only paid $3300!!  I 
>> know, I don't deserve such luck!!)  and have done lotsa tinkering.  
>> 
>> Steve '89 700cc
>
>what kind of gas mileage do you get. with the motor i have now, it seems 
>i ride from gas station to gas station.
>
I smoothed out the intake ports with 600 grit wet/dry sandpaper and now get 
about 125 miles before hitting reserve.  I read about this a few years ago 
in Cycle World, a guy claimed 20% better mileage - mine was probably pretty 
close.  I also set the needles so I am running a little lean in the 
midrange, which I am pretty sure is making a huge difference.  If I need 
power I just spool 'er up over about five grand.

Steve



------------------------------

From scutchin@vt.edu Wed Oct  4 22:08 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: 700cc

>In a message dated 95-10-02 20:06:19 EDT, scutchin@vt.edu (stephen r.
>cutchins) writes:
>
>>I think it was actually a 2mm overbore, not 3... I did all of the work
>myself after buying the excellent >factory manual (don't even think about the
>Clymer!!) and anyone with fairly good mechanical skills >can do the same.  I
>had the engine out in about two hours, in took about 3.
>
>Two small points: (1) The stock bore is 79 mm.  It will take a press to stuff
>82 mm pistons into your
>                                     cylinders with only a 2mm bore job, and
>the bike will probably be hard to start.
>                               (2) You don't have to pull the motor to change
>pistons--the top end can be easily
>                                     serviced in the frame.
I innitially wanted to keep the motor in the frame, and apparently it can be 
done, but both TBR and Chafong said that getting the front cylinder off is 
next to impossible and not worth the effort.  Both said to remove the 
engine, so that's what I did.  Plus it was cool picking the entire engine up 
by myself and putting it on the work table!!  


Steve '89 700cc



------------------------------

From scutchin@vt.edu Wed Oct  4 22:09 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: 700cc

>Steve,
>
>Thanks for posting the info.  I'm seriously considering doing this
>to my '89.
>
>Questions:
>
>What cam are you running?  Stock?
Because of money matters I am running stock cams, if and when I change them 
(probably when) I will go with the 153-X1 grind, not the 173's (definitely 
not the 174's, I hear they're pretty lopey.)
>How many miles have you put on the bike since the 700cc mod?
I put on about four or five thousand before the pistons hit the cylinder 
liners (do that cylinder liner mod I wrote about if you put in bigger 
pistons!!!!!)  I have a total of about six thousand since the first bore 
job.  Because of the pistons hitting I have had to put in rings twice (the 
first time was my fault - I didn't give enough break in time and the rings 
never really seated properly.)  This time all seems to be OK.
>What is the "Factory 3.0 and 4deg advancer"?  I assume this is a aftermarket
>ignition advancer... what does the number 3.0 signify?
Sorry, the Factory 3.0 is the jet kit, the 4deg is their 4-degree ignition 
advancer.  The jet kit I love, but to be honest I think I get a bit of knock 
if I 'bog' the engine under about 4000 rpm's with the 4deg advancer.
>Who did the port job?
I smoothed out the intake ports with 600 grit wet/dry, mileage went up but 
power didn't.
>
>Thank's in advance.
>
>Ken
>'89
>
>p.s. You can post the reply to the Hawklist if you wish.
>
>



------------------------------

From Kenneth.Lawas@analog.com Thu Oct  5 05:27 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...



> The concern over "toughness" of the carbon fiber parts is also
> misplaced.  The carbon fiber chassis used in F1 and IndyCar are quite
> capable of surviving very high crash loads.  There is no good reason to
> feel that a properly designed CF gas tank wouldn't be just as safe as a
> steel tank.  Such a tank would also be much more crash-worthy, since it
> wouldn't dent.  When it did fail, it would do so at loads that would
> also cause a steel tank to fail.

  Did anyone see this year's Indy 500?  They had a first
  lap crash, and the carbon nose cone broke up like glass.
  I can still remember seeing the driver's legs flopping
  out the front in the replay.

  The safety of steel is that it absorbs more energy in crumple.
  I did fatigue crack my Hawk's tank at the ridge of a dent, but
  it didn't shatter.
  
  -Ken
   kenneth.lawas@analog.com



------------------------------

From vgregory@mckinley.den.mmc.com Thu Oct  5 06:16 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

Phil sed:
Consider this:
If I were to hit a steel tank, it would just dent.  If I hit the same CF
tank, it opens up a crack, probably inches long, and spills fuel all over
me.
-------------------------

Mike brought up an interesting poiint, that the tank may have a liner - 
essentially, a fuel cell.  I'm vaguely familiar with these from sportscar
racing years ago - I have no idea what the weight tradeoff would be, but
even if it's just a bladder, the CF shell/fuel bladder combo could well
be resistent enough to impact/penetration that it would come close to matching
a steel tank in crash performance.

Anybody in the 818 area code want to give Watanabe Racing a jingle and ask
about this?  Their phone number is (818)841-0930 in Burbank, CA.  (Yeah, I
could do it, but not from work, and getting to a phone after work is 
difficult for me on Thursdays.)

Or of course, we could just continue speculating here!  ;)

Val Gregory
'90 Hawk GT - "Redtailed"
DoD #1258


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From ddc10@columbia.edu Thu Oct  5 06:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

> > Hugh sed:
> > 
> > Now why would a racer want a 5 gal. tank?  =)
> > -------------------
> > 
> Let's see.  A pint's a pound.  Two pints in a quart, 4 quarts in a 
> gallon.  A full tank therefore ...
> 
Actually, a pint of gasoline is around 7 lbs.- the pint-to-the-pound 
thing our moms told us about applies to water; gas is notable less 
dense.  Still- as far as racers go, I"m trying to figure out ways to make 
my tank SMALLER- I only use a gallon at a time, at best . . .

DC



------------------------------

From ddc10@columbia.edu Thu Oct  5 06:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

OOPS . . . I meant a GALLON of gas in 7 lbs. . .

duh.

DC



------------------------------

From ddc10@columbia.edu Thu Oct  5 06:47 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: East Coast Party (fwd)

> Craig Wrote:
> 
> Who's gonna volunteer their home/hospitality/planning expertise? I'd love to
> if you all want to cram into my little townhouse just south of Philly! 
> 

Brian D. Heaven wrote:

>      Sounds pretty cool, I'd like to attend if the timing works out.
> I would bring the race hawk to show but it probably won't be back 
> together for a while (big crash).
> 
> Brian Heaven
> 

Don't worry Brian . . . if you want to ride a cool Hawk you can always 
bring mine . . . :-)

C ya there . . .

DC



------------------------------

From ddc10@columbia.edu Thu Oct  5 06:57 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

> > feel that a properly designed CF gas tank wouldn't be just as safe as a
> > steel tank.  Such a tank would also be much more crash-worthy, since it
> > wouldn't dent.  When it did fail, it would do so at loads that would
> > also cause a steel tank to fail.
> > 
> 
> My feeling is that a CF tank is less likely to dent ( a cosmetic 
> problem) but more likely to break spilling gas ( a safety problem ).
> I would feel better about a polyethylene tank tank from a crash
> standpoint.  These are widely used on dirt bikes and are also much
> cheaper.  Cosmetics may be a problem for those of who don't intend
> to spray our bikes flat black.

NO!  Remember that in dirt bike racing, the average speed is less than 
40-50 mph, and in most crashes the bike just goes PLUNK into a soft 
surface.  Try dragging a dirt bike tank along asphalt for a couple hundred 
feet and see how long it maintains its integrity.

DC



------------------------------

From DFJL@aol.com Thu Oct  5 07:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Super Sunday

Hey - is anyone on theis list going to Super Sunday at Marcus Dairy on Route
7  in Danbury CT this Sunday ?
If so, I'd like to meet up with you, see I have never heard a Hawk with an
aftermarket pipe, and will need to choose one sooner or later. I'v eseen one
in person once, but never heard one.
There must be someone else on the list who's going.  Thousands of bikes,
literally. must be seen to be believed.  Bike show - 24 classes even more
awards, vendors, pinstripers, Mike Corbin, etc...but just a huge bike
gathering.  This is the last one this year ( there werethree others ).  Don't
miss it if you can !

Dave


------------------------------

From ddc10@columbia.edu Thu Oct  5 07:10 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

> CF is brittle.  It tends to break catastrophically.
> 
> 
> For instance on a kayak paddle, my experience is that the CF shaft never
> bends permanently or cracks from fatigue, it just suddenly shears all the
> way across.  Blammo, you've now got two short paddles.

This is absolutely true- if you're talking about NON_STRUCTURAL bits like 
fenders and kayak paddles.  If you look at something that takes serious 
stress such as a set of Ferracci rearsets or a motor cover, they are MUCH 
thicker than the decorative bits like fenders and gauge packs.

> 
> Additionally, CF kayaks are generally (this is true for Kevlar too) not
> made entirely of CF, since they then have very little ability to sustain
> impacts with rocks.  One good hit, and they crack.  The CF is "tempered"
> with some regular glass to add resilience.  This way it has the ability to
> bend substantially and the snap back.
> 

Also true.  Remember that CF is merely a carbon matting bound together 
with what amounts to fiberglass resin.  CF can also be repaired with 
glass resin the same as plain ol' bodywork can.

> Consider this:
> If I were to hit a steel tank, it would just dent.  If I hit the same CF
> tank, it opens up a crack, probably inches long, and spills fuel all over
> me.

Not necessarily.  You're also picturing a CF tank constructed in the same 
way as a steel one, but this is not the case.  The CF tanks I have used 
are reinforced on the inside, not just at the seams, but with baffles 
running left-to-right (from the rider's perspective).  This serves to 
distribute impact forces as well as keeping the fuel from sloshing about.

> 
> I haven't seen the tank in question, so it's possible that it's
> over-designed to the point that most reasonable impacts would be withstood.
> It's also possible (if it really only weighs 3 lbs) that it's thin,
> brittle and would rip wide open.
> 

I think they weight more than 3 lbs.  At least, ours did, although I never 
actually put them on a scale.

> For racing situations, you're generally near medical help with fire
> extinguishers.

Speaking as a racer and cornerworker- usability on the track isn't judged 
by whether there will be safety personnel nearby when a part fails.  This 
is why carbon brakes and CF wheels are no longer allowed in AMA Pro 
races, among other things.  Their consistent safety cannot be 
guaranteed.  CF tanks have proven their reliability (given proper 
construction) over at least 5 years of regular usage, if not more.  I 
have actually seen more comets (sliding motorcycles in flames) come from 
ZX7R's (aluminum tanks) and early GSXR's (design flaw causing bars to 
puncture tank) than from CF-equipped bikes.

  Out on the street or in the mountains, you're on your own.
> 
> I'd probably still consider getting one if I had $700 to waste, but I don't
> right now.

Wouldn't we all  . . .:-)

C ya
DC



------------------------------

From MStiv@postoffice.ptd.net Wed Oct 11 13:40 PDT 1995
Subject: Fender...eliminated!

Guys and Gals -

So last weekend I removed that ugly, black, plastic thing (fender) from my
Hawk.  As suggested by many of you - I didn't bother with the "kit".  I
basically just removed the damn thing.  I picked up a piece of sheelmetal
at Ye Ole Hardware Store ($2.00), and a couple nuts and bolts ($1.00).
Attached the sheet to the fenter mounting holes and attached the plate to
it at an anlge - so it's under the cowling, but visible from behind. The
light is mounted over the plate - attached to the old fender mount holes as
well.

Next we'll go after those HUGE rear turn signals (any suggestions?)

This mod cost a grand total of $3.00!! As opposed to $60.00 for the kit!
Thanx for the advice.  At this rate I figure if I keep modifying the bike -
eventually I'll be a millionare!!

CU -

Mike (laughing all the way to the bank) Stivala

mstiv@postoffice.ptd.net


                                                               '89 Hawk GT
                                                               Red (for now!)




------------------------------

From greaney@ee.unr.edu Wed Oct 11 14:10 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???

> >Right side has a longer canister, 18" as compared to the left's 14" so it's
> >a bit more quiet. Unlimited ground clearance on the right as compared to
> >slightly restricted clearance on the left.
> >
> 
> I realize this is a tough question to answer but how loud is the new
> left-side pipe compared to say the one I have on my bike now (Supertrapp
> w/all disks in).  The reason I ask is I've heard your pipes described as
> "quiet" by some riders.  I'm looking to switch to a left-side pipe, but I'd
> like to keep the "low rumble" sound I get outta the 'trapp.

I've heard the regular TBR pipe vs. my Supertrapp, and while the
TBR may make better top end power, I like the sound of the Supertrapp
better.  Now, if I had the cash for the left exit pipe (oval, of
course), I'd probably spring for it.  BUT!  side by side, the
Trapp sounds throatier than does the TBR.  YMMV, of course.

(again, this isn't an attack on Craig E., just an observation)

> Also do I need to loose the center or side stand to mount it?  Is replacing
> the pipe a job an average shade-tree mechanic can do? Do I need a jet kit
> to match it or can I run the stock carb for now?

Hey, good question.  I imagine the center stand is toast, based upon
the way the regular right exit pipe is, but things may have changed.
Although thinking about it, I can't imagine that it's remotely
possible to have a center or a SIDE stand, for that matter,
with a pipe in the way.  Pictures, man, I need pictures.

> Mike (holding the TBR catalouge in my hands) Stivala

Mike (looking at his empty checkbook) Nielsen  ;-)


--
Mike Nielsen       e: greaney@unr.edu       v: 702.784.4752


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From ddc10@columbia.edu Thu Oct  5 07:15 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines

> >>
> >>Craig,
> >>
> >>This sort of cheap spam is not called for on this list, IMHO.  We all know
> >>your phone number, and many if not most have some product sold by you, 

> >>
> >>A far better (and tactful) way of getting your message across is to put a
> >>signature on your mail.  Something small and "to-the-point", like
> >>
> >>---
> >>Craig Erion             Two Brothers Racing
> >>                     Honda Performance Products           714.550.6070

Well, why not let the guy plug a little?  Considering the amount of 
knowledge he's been willing to share already for FREE, let him give out 
his phone #.  Hell, you guys never bitch when I post my parts bikes- is 
it just because I pay rent on a crappy apartment with my money, while 
Craig goes to Laguna Seca?

DC



------------------------------

From ddc10@columbia.edu Thu Oct  5 07:16 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Craig Erion wrote:

> >The concern over "toughness" of the carbon fiber parts is also
> >misplaced.  The carbon fiber chassis used in F1 and IndyCar are quite
> >capable of surviving very high crash loads.  There is no good reason to
> >feel that a properly designed CF gas tank wouldn't be just as safe as a
> >steel tank.  Such a tank would also be much more crash-worthy, since it
> >wouldn't dent.  When it did fail, it would do so at loads that would
> >also cause a steel tank to fail.
> 
> Ah... please define properly designed. We are talking about a single layer
> skin shell made in some guys's garage here, arn't we?

I thought we were talking about this thing made by Watanabe, or someone 
else with some sort of professional qualifications . . . if some guy is 
slapping this tigether in his basement with material stolen from the 
machine shop at work, forget my last four or five posts . . .

Sorry . . .
DC



------------------------------

From Phil_Calvin@unc.edu Thu Oct  5 07:55 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

DDC wrote:
>Phil wrote:
>> CF is brittle.  It tends to break catastrophically.
>>
>> 
>> For instance on a kayak paddle, my experience is that the CF shaft never
>> bends permanently or cracks from fatigue, it just suddenly shears all the
>> way across.  Blammo, you've now got two short paddles.
>
>This is absolutely true- if you're talking about NON_STRUCTURAL bits like
>fenders and kayak paddles.  If you look at something that takes serious
>stress such as a set of Ferracci rearsets or a motor cover, they are MUCH
>thicker than the decorative bits like fenders and gauge packs.

The entire kayak shaft IS structural.  I think it may have been
underdesigned myself, but still the point is that if it had been steel, it
would have just bent.  But being CF, it broke.  Extrapolate that to a tank
full of gasoline on top of you.  It better be overdesigned.


>> Consider this:
>> If I were to hit a steel tank, it would just dent.  If I hit the same CF
>> tank, it opens up a crack, probably inches long, and spills fuel all over
>> me.
>
>Not necessarily.  You're also picturing a CF tank constructed in the same
>way as a steel one, but this is not the case.  The CF tanks I have used
>are reinforced on the inside, not just at the seams, but with baffles
>running left-to-right (from the rider's perspective).  This serves to
>distribute impact forces as well as keeping the fuel from sloshing about.

I hadn't considered this part of it.  If the Whattaknobby tank has this,
I'm impressed that it's ONLY $675 bucks.  Laying glass (or CF) is not a
piece of cake.

Phil Calvin                                             DoD #242   '91 HawkGT
http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/ 




------------------------------

From Phil_Calvin@unc.edu Thu Oct  5 07:55 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines


>Well, why not let the guy plug a little?  Considering the amount of
>knowledge he's been willing to share already for FREE, let him give out
>his phone #.  Hell, you guys never bitch when I post my parts bikes- is
>it just because I pay rent on a crappy apartment with my money, while
>Craig goes to Laguna Seca?

Ok.  I wrote Craig _personal email_ with my feelings about his cheap "we've
got it all" post to the list.  I suggested that he just put his
advertisements into his signature.  I already get 150 messages a day.  I
don't need Craig responding to every single one that mentions parts with
"we got that, buy it from us".

I don't mind a little advertising.  I like having him on the list.  I don't
mind him "giving out his phone #".  That's why I suggested that he keep it
to his signature.

But...

Taking my personal email and then replying to the list with it is
definitely not cool.  I'm not ashamed with what I said, but I didn't want
to flame him in front of everyone.  His little "ouch, that hurt" reply was
totally childish.  How old are you anyway, Craig?  My intention wasn't to
hurt him; it was to suggest that he keep the spam to a minimum.  His
intention (by posting to the group) was to embarrass me, but he didn't.  I
stand by my comments.  His spam stinks.  His participation is welcome,
IMHO, but his spam is not.

Just my opinion.  We can discuss this more, or we can drop it.  I don't care.

Phil

Phil Calvin                                             DoD #242   '91 HawkGT
http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/ 




------------------------------

From Chris_Friesen@NeXT.COM Thu Oct  5 08:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines


[snipped Phil's complaint about Craig spamming and Craig posting =
email from Phil]

Chill out people! The last thing we need is bickering on this =
great mail-list.

I had the feeling Craig was a little sheepish about his spam so I =
didn't take it as something I'd see very much of. This group has =
been very open and friendly, so when Craig posted Phil's message, =
I took it as his way of saying, "OOPS!!! guess I won't do that =
again."=20

So if Phil chills, and Craig makes a .sig with "get your Hawk =
parts here", I'm happy.

-chris=


------------------------------

From METTING@AMC.UVA.NL Thu Oct  5 09:53 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

On Tue 5 October, 1995 Dennis Daniel Crowley writes:

>
>Speaking as a racer and cornerworker- usability on the track isn't judged 
>by whether there will be safety personnel nearby when a part fails.  This 
>is why carbon brakes and CF wheels are no longer allowed in AMA Pro 
>races, among other things.  Their consistent safety cannot be 
>guaranteed.  CF tanks have proven their reliability (given proper 
>construction) over at least 5 years of regular usage, if not more.  I 
>have actually seen more comets (sliding motorcycles in flames) come from 
>ZX7R's (aluminum tanks) and early GSXR's (design flaw causing bars to 
>puncture tank) than from CF-equipped bikes.
>

I have followed your debate about the Carbon/Glasfiber tanks with interest.
I am not so much worried about the toughness, but more about the long-term
resistance of the resin against petrol. I remember that many glasfiber
reinforced polyester tanks sold in the eighties as after-market accessoires
started to leak after a few years. It was also visible from color changes of
the fiberglass that the petrol was slowly absorbed by the resin. In
addition, I noticed that epoxy resin (Araldite) used with repairs became
soft quite quickly (weeks). Polyester resin was better in this respect. It
is well possible that the quality of the Epoxy and Polyester resins has
improved over the last years. I am curious if anybody has experience with
plastic tanks that are continuously filled with petrol over long periods.

Bye Coen                                Coen MettingVanRijn
                                        metting@amc.uva.nl
                                        Hawk '88

 
A.C. MettingVanRijn



------------------------------

From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Thu Oct  5 10:18 PDT 1995
Subject: FOR SALE

     I have a fiberglass RC30 fairing for a Hawk that I would like to sell.
I only had it on my bike for one summer and it is in excellent condition.
It is painted red to match the Hawk red and has been painted black on the
inside.  I am including all the mounting hardware, lights (which are
adjustable), blinkers, mirrors, wiring (I made it so you don't have to cut
anything just plug it all in) and smoke screen.  Take a look at the
attached uuencoded jpeg and "see" what you think.  It can be yours for $300
US.  If you want it e-mail me of course and we'll work out the details.

Steve


UUxT 3.0b UNREGISTERED Public Release

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From Hawky647@aol.com Thu Oct  5 10:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Wantanabe tanks, continued...

A few more comments about Kiyo's tank:
 My friend has one of the CF tanks. I rode with him and Kiyo up Angeles Crest
Highway in August on the HawkWorks ride. The tank is extremely well made and
finished, no wider just taller (1-1/2  -  2in) than stock. The tank hooks up
like stock and uses the stock filler cap. The tank has a very thick and shiny
looking resin coat on top of a nice CF layup.
Why 5 gallons? With a built Hawk motor (Charlie's bike: 63hp, stock pistons)
running hard you only get about 80 miles out of a tank.
 AirTech charges $900 for a CF tank for a CR125 and claim their 8 gallon CF
GSXR-1100 tank weighs 4 pounds. So under 3 pounds for a 5 gallon tank is
probably accurate.
Do you guys crash that much that you have to worry about exploding into
flames?


------------------------------

From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Thu Oct  5 11:22 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

Hi Dennis, on Oct 5 you wrote:

> OOPS . . . I meant a GALLON of gas in 7 lbs. . .
>=20
> duh.
>=20
> DC
>=20
>=20

You had me wondering who calibrated your scales.

Steve




------------------------------

From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Thu Oct  5 11:23 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines

Hi Dennis, on Oct 5 you wrote:

> > >>
> > >>Craig,
> > >>
> > >>This sort of cheap spam is not called for on this list, IMHO.  We=
=20all know
> > >>your phone number, and many if not most have some product sold by=
=20you,=20
> 
> > >>
> > >>A far better (and tactful) way of getting your message across is =
to put a
> > >>signature on your mail.  Something small and "to-the-point", like
> > >>
> > >>---
> > >>Craig Erion             Two Brothers Racing
> > >>                     Honda Performance Products           714.550=
=2E6070
>=20
> Well, why not let the guy plug a little?  Considering the amount of=20
> knowledge he's been willing to share already for FREE, let him give o=
ut=20
> his phone #.  Hell, you guys never bitch when I post my parts bikes- =
is=20
> it just because I pay rent on a crappy apartment with my money, while=
=20
> Craig goes to Laguna Seca?
>=20
> DC
>=20
I agree.  TBR and Craig have had alot to do with what the HAWK is today=
=2E
Having his participation in this group is a BIG plus.  What he posted t=
ook
up less space than the "suggested" sig file, so relax.  If Craig let's =
me
know he has what I'm looking for that saves me a phone call to see if h=
e
has it.

And that's my humble opinion,

Steve




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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Thu Oct  5 11:24 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

Hi Ken, on Oct 5 you wrote:

> 
> 
> > The concern over "toughness" of the carbon fiber parts is also
> > misplaced.  The carbon fiber chassis used in F1 and IndyCar are quite
> > capable of surviving very high crash loads.  There is no good reason to
> > feel that a properly designed CF gas tank wouldn't be just as safe as a
> > steel tank.  Such a tank would also be much more crash-worthy, since it
> > wouldn't dent.  When it did fail, it would do so at loads that would
> > also cause a steel tank to fail.
> 
>   Did anyone see this year's Indy 500?  They had a first
>   lap crash, and the carbon nose cone broke up like glass.
>   I can still remember seeing the driver's legs flopping
>   out the front in the replay.
> 
>   The safety of steel is that it absorbs more energy in crumple.
>   I did fatigue crack my Hawk's tank at the ridge of a dent, but
>   it didn't shatter.
>   
>   -Ken
>    kenneth.lawas@analog.com
> 
That was at 200mph!!!

Steve




------------------------------

From greaney@ee.unr.edu Thu Oct  5 12:00 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

> 
> Hi Ken, on Oct 5 you wrote:
> >   lap crash, and the carbon nose cone broke up like glass.
> >   I can still remember seeing the driver's legs flopping
> >   out the front in the replay.
> > 
> >   The safety of steel is that it absorbs more energy in crumple.
> >   I did fatigue crack my Hawk's tank at the ridge of a dent, but
> >   it didn't shatter.
> >   
> >   -Ken
> >    kenneth.lawas@analog.com
> > 
> That was at 200mph!!!

So what are you saying?  We can't go 200MPH?  =)

WIth the Hawk speedo as it is, 200 indicated ain't terribly fast, anyway. =)



(just adding more fuel to the fire...)


Mike


------------------------------

From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Thu Oct  5 12:11 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

Hi Mike, on Oct 5 you wrote:

> > 
> > Hi Ken, on Oct 5 you wrote:
> > >   lap crash, and the carbon nose cone broke up like glass.
> > >   I can still remember seeing the driver's legs flopping
> > >   out the front in the replay.
> > > 
> > >   The safety of steel is that it absorbs more energy in crumple.
> > >   I did fatigue crack my Hawk's tank at the ridge of a dent, but
> > >   it didn't shatter.
> > >   
> > >   -Ken
> > >    kenneth.lawas@analog.com
> > > 
> > That was at 200mph!!!
> 
> So what are you saying?  We can't go 200MPH?  =)
> 
> WIth the Hawk speedo as it is, 200 indicated ain't terribly fast, anyway. =)
> 
That's a good point.  Any turbo Hawks out there?  Hey, now that's an
idea...

Steve




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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Thu Oct  5 12:12 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines

> 
> 
> [snipped Phil's complaint about Craig spamming and Craig posting =
> email from Phil]
> 
> Chill out people! The last thing we need is bickering on this =
> great mail-list.

HEAR HEAR!!!!

> I had the feeling Craig was a little sheepish about his spam so I =
> didn't take it as something I'd see very much of. This group has =
> been very open and friendly, so when Craig posted Phil's message, =
> I took it as his way of saying, "OOPS!!! guess I won't do that =
> again."=20
> 
> So if Phil chills, and Craig makes a .sig with "get your Hawk =
> parts here", I'm happy.

[jumping into the inferno]

Well, me too, but something everyone has to remember: We all worship
the ground that Craig E. walks on, because we know his qualifications
and his history.  Unfortunately, we're in a small elite.  Many riders
looking for parts for their Honda don't even _know_ of TBR, not to
mention Craig himself.  (well, we don't _worship_ him, but I sure
as hell admire him for what he's accomplished)

I don't think a bit of shameless self-promotion is going to hurt
anything.  Hell, I can't even remember the original message that
caused this flame war, and I typically pay more attention to this
group than I do to my coursework! ;-)  If someone doesn't know
who Craig is or what TBR does, then they NEED to find out.  

Besides, Craig has offered his knowledge, which I'm sure we've
all exploited to its full extreme, without asking for ANYTHING
in return.  Does he say "well, I'll tell you about performance
upgrades if you give me your credit card number" ???

We're SUPPOSED to be HawkGT, not rec.motorcycles here.  A bit
of harmless friendly flaming goes on all the time, but this kind
of stuff is a bit out of line.


-Mike


------------------------------

From scutchin@vt.edu Thu Oct  5 13:17 PDT 1995
Subject: that damned CF

I'm just as sick of everybody else about this carbon fiber talk but I have 
some info based on facts so here goes:

Two students here at Virginia Tech tested mountain bike handlebars for their 
senior project a few years ago, it was published in Mountain Bike magazine.  
One of the bars was carbon fiber, the rest aluminum or steel (I think one 
might have even been titanium.)  Anyway, steel and aluminum bend - CF does 
not.  In a tip-over your CF tank may at most sustain a chip in the resin.  
CF has about 5 times the tensile strength of metal.  You can have a tank 
that is five times stronger for the same weight or one that is five times 
lighter for the same strength.  The CF bar withstood about three times the 
load of the other bars, but once it failed it did not bend but failed 
catastrophically.  The only bad thing they mentioned was not knowing when 
the bar was going to give since it didn't bend, it was just all at once 
whammo!! 
  The AMA decided against CF rotors not because of safety concerns but 
because of COST.  A privateer could not afford to be a front runner any 
more, and in the interest of fairness tried to even the odds (bad timing, 
though, 'cause prices plummeted shortly thereafter.)   
What would I do if I were to replace a tank?  Assuming Watanabe is using 
epoxy resin that is safe for fuels (OBVIOUSLY he must be, no one is that 
foolish with all these lawyers running around) I would definitely go carbon.  

Ah well, I don't know if this helps any but at least it's based on what I've 
read, not what I think. Personally, I try not to think whenever possible!!


Steve '89



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From bkrett@holly.ColoState.EDU Thu Oct  5 15:32 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: that damned CF, again


> might have even been titanium.)  Anyway, steel and aluminum bend - CF does 
> not.  In a tip-over your CF tank may at most sustain a chip in the resin.  
> CF has about 5 times the tensile strength of metal.  You can have a tank 
> that is five times stronger for the same weight or one that is five times 
> lighter for the same strength.

	I guess that since everybody else is getting in on the discussion 
I will join in. From what I understand about CF it is indeed five times 
stronger "metal" ? Anyways the key is that this is tensile strength. This 
accounts for only one axis that the CF can be stressed. In an impact, 
there are many different stress points that may result in catostrophic 
breakdown. This can be remedied by laying layers on CF in different 
directions to account for the probelm. Of course this adds to the weight 
of the part. 
	The theoretical big advantage of CF is that in many parts the major 
direction of stess can be determined and the fibres can be layed in that 
direction to counteract the stresses this usually results in very few 
fibres in the other directions then it turns out to be very brittle in 
that plane.
	Just my 2 cents....
						Brian Krett
						MRA#139
						88' Blue	  




------------------------------

From alan@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu Thu Oct  5 17:28 PDT 1995
Subject: fs:racehawk in SF

Hello out there.  

I found this and I thought someone would here yould be interested.
___________________________________________________________________
From: xmax@xmax.com
[1] For Sale: 1988 Honda Hawk Racebike
Date: Wed Oct 04 07:40:42 HST 1995
Organization: WEST COAST ONLINE
Lines: 9
X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.)

1988 Honda Hawk. 1 over Wiseco,Carillo, Costa Mesa Crank, CR tranny. heads
by EDCO(ported,stainless 1 over intake, stock sized exhaust, R/D springs
w/Titanium tops). 174 X2 cam. 10,2
00 Ignition Box/Factory Ignition Advance. Holeshot Powershifter. Race wire
harness. Kitted stock carbs.  Also RC30 carbs. VFR radiator/rear-cylinder
direct cooling. 2Bros Countermeasure Exhaust. 94 F2 cartridge forks by
RaceTech.
Chafong ClipOns. Scitsu Tach/Daytona Temp Gauge.  Rearsets. Aluminum
subframe. Ohlins shock. Storz
Damper. Lightened rear hub w/aluminum disc. VFR rear wheel. Modified
tank(for ram air). Beasley RC30
upper/ RVF tailsection. Stock parts(motor internals/electrics/plastic).
Four races on top end/valve
job/suspension rebuild. This is a national-caliber bike with results to
prove it.  $4,500. Bike is located in San
Francisco.        Email  lickwar@xmax.com for more information
___________________________________________________________________
 -- Now, thats a lot of goodies...
I thought it would be a nice change to see something other than cf tanks
and flaming on this newsgroup.  Well, there seems to be a lot of Bay Area
hawkers and this might be something of interest.  I'm actually envious
because you seem to have all the cool twisty roads, Laguna Seca, and Hugh's
driveway.  Oh well.  

Alan



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From GTRider9@aol.com Thu Oct  5 17:57 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wantanabe tanks, continued...

In a message dated 95-10-05 14:02:16 EDT, Hawky647@aol.com writes:

>Do you guys crash that much that you have to worry about exploding into
>flames?

Actually, I haven't crashed a street bike in 15 years--and that's what
worries me!  I'm kinda overdue!

Dave

P.S.  If I did crash, it would no doubt be right after I installed a $700 gas
tank!


------------------------------

From GTRider9@aol.com Thu Oct  5 18:00 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

In a message dated 95-10-05 14:36:21 EDT, Steve@hawk.dungeon.com (Steve
Beatty) writes:

>That was at 200mph!!!
>
>Steve

What, your bike won't go 200?

(Help--dodging more flames--It's a joke guys, a JOKE!)

Dave


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From Gregbud@aol.com Thu Oct  5 18:01 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: 900rr shock

The difference in front end feel is very minor, but I feel its better. The
front end seems to be a little more connected to earth. I'm running the stock
handlebars and I dont notice any more weight on my arms (except from my
growing beer gut)


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From nobody@info.tamu.edu Thu Oct  5 20:55 PDT 1995
Subject: no fuel

comments: No fuel.  Pump works, but not when juice comes through normal
 channels.
 
 It's fuel pump relay or, someone suggested, the pulse
 generator.
 
 How best to check?
 
 Thanks.  Now if I can only get the listserver to serve me
 the list.
 
 


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From tbrking@twobros.com Thu Oct  5 21:53 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

DC, the tank that you described (the one similar in design and construction
to an F-1 tub) would cost three to four thousand dollars each. It would do
the job well but no one would want to buy one.


   craig




------------------------------

From danac@leland.Stanford.EDU Thu Oct  5 23:22 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Paint, shmaint

On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Ellen Carrico wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Mike Nielsen wrote:
> 
> > Seriously, I think a gloss black, with a CF front fender, polished
> > wheels/swingarm/frame would look tasty, if not a bit excessive.
> 
> How about a candy coat that looks black except in direct sun so that where 
> the sun glints off of the curves it shows a deep red or blue sparkling 
> beneath?
> 
> ellen
> 
While we're at it - lets anodize the wheels gold and maybe the break 
lines as well.  Not to clog the lines or anything with trivial matters.  
I just couldn't resist.



Cheers,


Dana


------------------------------

From vgregory@mckinley.den.mmc.com Fri Oct  6 05:52 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

Phil sed:
The entire kayak shaft IS structural.  I think it may have been
underdesigned myself, but still the point is that if it had been steel, it
would have just bent.  But being CF, it broke.  Extrapolate that to a tank
full of gasoline on top of you.  It better be overdesigned.
----------------

 You meant if the kayak paddle shaft had been aluminum, didn't you?
Steel would be a bit heavy (looks as scrawny forearms, remembers plodding
through slow parts of rivers for 6+ hours - OUCH!)

OBMoto: I'm starting to think of ways to sell the SO on this tank - combo
birthday/Xmas/anniversary/Mother's Day gift?

It'll never happen.  Baby needs tires...

Val Gregory
'90 Hawk GT - "Redtailed"
DoD #1258


------------------------------

From thornton@picard.aar.wpafb.af.mil Fri Oct  6 06:37 PDT 1995
Subject: Watanabe no more



	In conclusion....

	Mr. Erion should have an idea about this...
	I believe in 1993 when M. DuHamel was campaigning Kawasaki's
	ZX-6 (and winning the championship) Watanabe was on his crew 
	as a tech guy. I doubt Rob Muzzy hires idiots (no flames 
	please, that battle (about Mr. Russell) could last forever).

	As others have stated, Watanabe has race experience.
	Surely he is intelligent enough to consider all that been 
	passed through on this list. 

	When in doubt go to the source - call his company & get 
	the facts. Just a suggestion to alleviate further windbag 
	speculation.

	In conclusion... 

	What we could also use is a carbon fiber rear sub-frame that 
	can be installed for solo/race purposes.

Respectfully,
Kelly

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Kelly Thornton	thornton@picard.aar.wpafb.af.mil
-- AMA, HRCA, HSTA
-- Current: 92 VFR750
--          88 Hawk GT - for sale: $2900 o.b.o. Excellent condition - Stock. 
--          12k mi, blue, new 591s. For more information email me directly.
-- Past:    84 V-30 Magna -  my first V-4 love...
--          88 Hurricane 600 - sweet fury
----------------------------------------------------------------------------


GO Reds & Indians, I-71 World Series YES!


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From bkrett@holly.ColoState.EDU Fri Oct  6 07:26 PDT 1995
Subject: Polished Frame


	Hey people, this winter I was thinking of polishing my frame and I 
was wondering how you have or are planning on doing it?
	I'm sure that doing it by hand would work well going through all 
the grits of sandpaper but is there a better to do it; ie: a drill with a 
buffing wheel of something.
	Comments would be greatly appreciated.
				
						Brian Krett
						MRA#139
						88' Blue


------------------------------

From Phil_Calvin@unc.edu Fri Oct  6 07:34 PDT 1995
Subject: CF Rear Section... Hubba hubba!

Kelly Thornton wrote:


>        When in doubt go to the source - call his company & get
>        the facts. Just a suggestion to alleviate further windbag
>        speculation.

That'd be so simple.  Anyone in the right area code?

>        In conclusion...
>
>        What we could also use is a carbon fiber rear sub-frame that
>        can be installed for solo/race purposes.

Yowza!  What a great idea.  I'll call the folks at Britten today and see if
they can lay a couple rear subframes/soloseats for us.   Perhaps with tiny
halogen brakelights built in, and a flip-up license plate holder.

Trooper following too closely?  Just flip the plate up so he can't read it,
then take off!

Heh, heh.    Wake up.


Phil Calvin                                             DoD #242   '91 HawkGT
http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/ 




------------------------------

From MStiv@postoffice.ptd.net Fri Oct  6 09:33 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines


>> > >>This sort of cheap spam is not called for on this list, IMHO.  We
>>all know
>> > >>your phone number, and many if not most have some product sold by you,



>.  TBR and Craig have had alot to do with what the HAWK is today.
>Having his participation in this group is a BIG plus.

##############

I agree.  I also think isn't  proper to call what Craig did "Spam".  The
term usually refers to obnoxious, unwanted ads or more accurately ads that
have little to do with the subject of a list/newsgroup.  Craigs postings
have everything to do with this list -(it's a Hawk list - he's selling Hawk
parts, right!).

Are all the used bike/parts messages posted here, spam too?  I don't think
so.  Is what makes spam, spam  the fact that a person is a part of a
company - not a private owner, again, I don't think so! It's the nature of
the ad, and wheather or not it is relevant to the subject of the group that
makes spam, spam,

(spam, spam, spam, eggs and spam??)

This whole "advertising on the Net", thang is a real touchy issue to some
people, I understand that. However if I ask the list about a certain part
or whatever, and Craig chimes in with - "We got that, it costs $XXX, call
if interested" - to me that's helpful information - not obnoxious
self-promotion!

I say Craig keep it up, it helps -just don't start posting ads for that
"1-900- SEX-LINE" of yours!

my $.02




CU -

Mike Stivala
MStiv@postoffice.ptd.net


   \=====\=====\=====\=====\=====\=====|=====/=====/=====/=====/=====/
   \      1989      |  Oh, sure - I could write something cool and   /
    )   HAWK GT     |      creative here, but you wouldn't care -   (

/  RED (for now) |                so why bother!                  \

   /=====/=====/=====/=====/=====/=====|=====\=====\=====\=====\=====\








------------------------------

From ronrad@microsoft.com Wed Oct 11 15:38 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Hawk Mods.



----------
From: 	stuart hayashida[SMTP:stuart_hayashida@smtpgwy.centre.com]
1. Have Lindemann rework the forks- F2 swap much more expensive, heavier, and
only marginally better.  (I would assume the Emulators would be an option 
here).

Hmmm.  From having my brakes blue out, and overheat a couple of times
running the stock setup, I'd say that the F2 swap is still worth it.  Of 
course,
I eight in around 230 lbs, so YMMV, but my big reason for switching to
a GSXR front end were the brakes ...

2. Get a Fox shock.  Per Kevin, in his experience, Fox and Ohlins are equal 
from
a quality standpoint so save the extra money over the Ohlins.  He doesn't
recommend any other shock.

Hmmm.  If we're talking race, maybe.  I have a Fox on the rear of one race
chassis, a WP on the rear of another, and an Ohlins on my VFR750, and
the stock 916 Showa on my Duc.  The Ohlins smokes them all for street
ride quality, and the 916 Showa works better than the Fox on the track for
me, but it's hard to tell how much of that is the bike, and how much is the
shock.  The WP seemed to work about the same, if not better on the track,
but it lacks a ride height adjustment, and with the GSXR front end, I 
definitely
needed to play with ride height.  The Ohlins gives a much smoother ride
over smaller stuff, while still working to keep the wheel in contact over the
ground.  Also, the thumbscrew remote preload adjust is a major bonus for
street riding.  Takes me about 10 seconds to change suspension settings
from touring, to passsenger to sport, etc ...   You do sort of get what you
pay for, but it depends on what you want ...

Ron




------------------------------

From DFJL@aol.com Wed Oct 11 16:32 PDT 1995
Subject: RS250 ?

Hey, maybe this isn't exactly news to some of you, but has anyone seen an
RS250 with a 'Okumura special suspension ?  I just have been looking thru
American Roadracing Sept. issue, and there is a photo ad showing one for
sale.
A surprise to me is the rear single-sided swinger - but reverse of the Hawk !
You guys upstate NY must've seen this Great Lakes champion. Anyone know more
about the bike ?  Is this RS250 normally single sided rear ?

A curiosity ?

Dave


------------------------------

From DFJL@aol.com Wed Oct 11 16:34 PDT 1995

Kevin, in his experience, Fox and Ohlins are equal
from
>a quality standpoint so save the extra money over the Ohlins.  He doesn't 
>recommend any other shock

I heard that not only does is the Fox less expensive, but the Ohlins actually
cost a little more !  ;-)>






------------------------------

From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Wed Oct 11 18:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Right side peg assembly? and a subscription



On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, James Monberg wrote:

[Jamie asks about the right foot peg assembly]

I wonder what Jamie's been doing to his Hawk?  Actually, I have Ron's 
left foot peg while he's using the rearsets for racing. I think he may 
want it back (6'4" is a lot to cram onto a race hawk with rearsets).  
Therefore, if anyone is offering up the right side peg to Jamie, I'd be 
interested in the left side peg. 

Thanks,
Ellen Carrico			The more see of the moneyed classes, the more I
ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us		understand the guillotine.
						George Bernard Shaw



------------------------------

From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Wed Oct 11 19:46 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Rear brake line routing...

Hi stephen, on Oct 02 you wrote:

>   What are my options for brake
> >lines and how much do they cost?  And where could I route the rear line and
> >what would that entail?  
> >
> I JUST ordered a stainless steel rear line, it is coming in this Friday.  It 
> WILL be put on this weekend.  It is designed to be run through the swingarm. 
>  The banjo fitting comes unattached - you run the line through a front 
> existing hole and through a rear hole you drill yourself and then put the 
> fitting on.  I don't think a touchy brake will be a problem.  If you can 
> wait I will post the results after the installation.  BTW, I recently put a 
> 900 shock on.  The kit costs $54.  I got mine from Chafong (1-800-CHAFONG).  
> Two Brothers also sells it(sorry, don't know their LONG DISTANCE number off 
> the top of my head or their price.)  I am sure it will look much better 
> given that I don't have a chainguard either.
> 
Did you do this yet?  I'm curious how it all turned out.

Steve




------------------------------

From JimDuc916@aol.com Wed Oct 11 20:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawkstuff, of course! plus other stuff

Hi Hawkers and racelist people----
Jimduc916 here, causing trouble again....
I have available, for those with more ideas than common sense, four complete
rolling chassis for hawks--with various amounts of the bits that complete
them.  These are for sale, with or without titles, for a range of prices,
also varying depending on how much
I have been putting an XR650L motor in to one for almost a year now, still
slowly making progress.....someday I'll get it more done...
so, If you're interested in these, or any other hawk parts, drop me a line!!!
I also have a front end from a 94 GSXR 1100, with six piston tokico calipers,
for sale--triple clamps, forks, calipers, brake lines, one handlebar,
steering damper, axle speedo drive, plus a front wheel and rotors from an
earlier Gixer (non vented disks) for about $1000.......
hope to hear from you all,
ciao,
jimd
716-688-4768


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From tbrking@twobros.com Wed Oct 11 22:12 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???

>Hey Craig,
>
>As long as we're on this subject.  Is the left-side pipe you're
>describing the NEW one (as pictured in the Sept/Oct HawkWorks)?

Yes sir.

>I realize this is a tough question to answer

Thanks alot 

> but how loud is the new left-side pipe compared to say the one I have on
>my bike now (Supertrapp
>w/all disks in).  The reason I ask is I've heard your pipes described as
>"quiet" by some riders.  I'm >looking to switch to a left-side pipe, but
>I'd like to keep the "low rumble" sound I get outta the >'trapp.

You'll be delighted!

>Also do I need to loose the center or side stand to mount it?

Yes sir.

 >Is replacing he pipe a job an average shade-tree mechanic can do?

Yep.

Do I need a jet kit to match it or can I run the stock carb for now?

You should install a jet kit as your bike will run sooooo much better.


   Craig




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From tbrking@twobros.com Wed Oct 11 22:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???

Mike,

>>Trapp sounds throatier than does the TBR.  YMMV, of course. (again, this
>>isn't an attack on Craig >>E., just an observation)

LOL!




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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Thu Oct 12 04:10 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Hawk Mods.

>I have used the F2 wheel for a while with the stock Hawk forks, brake
>caliper and disk. With the F2 wheel, the brake disk runs approx. 1 mm nearer
>to the left fork and as a result only a minimal gap beteen the rotor and the
>caliper bracket remains. Therefore, approx. 1 mm should be removed from the
>inside of the brake mounting lugs on the fork.

Couldn't the 1 mm also me removed from the disk mounting points on the wheel?
Granted, this should probably be done on a mill to avoid disk warpage.

>With a 120/60 tire, the gap between the Hawk fender and the tire is too
>large. The CB1 fender has the correct clearence but you will have to
>fabricate 4 spacers to fill the gaps between the fender and the fork lugs.
>The thickness of these spacers is critical in order to avoid fork stiction
>if you use the CB1 fork-brace. I could not detect a reduction in handling
>with the fork-brace left out.

Interesting.  What size is the CB-1 tire?

>With a 120/60 tire and the Hawk speedo-drive, the reading will be approx. 10
>% too high. A F2 speedo-drive combined with the Hawk instrument gives a
>fairly accurate reading.

A 120/60-17 tire should be 5.5% smaller than a 110/80-17 (gives 5.5% higher 
speed reading).  Of course, the stock Hawk speedo already reads high.

>Some 120/60 tires such as Michelin Hi-Sport give a 'dropping into corners'
>sensation at low speed with the forks in the standard position. This effect
>disappears if the forks are mounted slightly lower in the yokes (5 mm makes
>a large difference in feel). Steering is a bit slower but cornering on wet
>roads is much easier.

The radius of the 120/60-17 is 5/8" smaller than stock, so there is that much
additional fender clearance and the front ride height is that much lower.
Dropping the fork tubes 5mm (0.2") only makes up for 1/3 of the difference,
so I would expect the steering to still be quicker than stock.

David Mackintosh        '92 Sovereign   '95 Moda   '82 245 Turbo   '89 Hawk GT
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil    Germantown, MD, USA    WVC #M141       DoD #1360



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From MStiv@postoffice.ptd.net Fri Oct  6 09:55 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:Re:Re: Watanabe tank...

Hi All -

I've got a great way to settle this once and for all!  Seventy of us pitch
in $10 each, and buy the tank in question (SR MAG couldn't afford a COLOR
pix!!??).  One Saturday we meet somewhere suitable and we all bring our
favorite blunt insrument of destruction (i.e.- structural integrity test
gear).

Oops, sorry, gotta go...the phone's ringing...must be SNELL about that job
offer!!!

CU -

Mike Stivala
MStiv@postoffice.ptd.net


   \=====\=====\=====\=====\=====\=====|=====/=====/=====/=====/=====/
   \      1989      |  Oh, sure - I could write something cool and   /
    )   HAWK GT     |      creative here, but you wouldn't care -   (

/  RED (for now) |                so why bother!                  \

   /=====/=====/=====/=====/=====/=====|=====\=====\=====\=====\=====\








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From van!facet.com!sheldon@uucp.wimsey.com Fri Oct  6 09:59 PDT 1995
Subject: Mobil 1


Okay, what is the next choice when you can't find Mobil 1 in the
10W-40 variety?  


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From Danny.Coady@NCR.OTTWPO.dfo-mpo.x400.gc.ca Fri Oct  6 10:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank... -Reply

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Mike, on Oct 5 you wrote:

> > 
> > Hi Ken, on Oct 5 you wrote:
> > >   lap crash, and the carbon nose cone broke up like glass.
> > >   I can still remember seeing the driver's legs flopping
> > >   out the front in the replay.
> > > 
> > >   The safety of steel is that it absorbs more energy in crumple.
> > >   I did fatigue crack my Hawk's tank at the ridge of a dent, but
> > >   it didn't shatter.
> > >   
> > >   -Ken
> > >    kenneth.lawas@analog.com
> > > 
> > That was at 200mph!!!
> 
> So what are you saying?  We can't go 200MPH?  =)
> 
> WIth the Hawk speedo as it is, 200 indicated ain't terribly fast, anyway. =)
> 
That's a good point.  Any turbo Hawks out there?  Hey, now that's an
idea...

Steve


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Actually I have a write up from Cycle Canada about a group out of Toronto who were running a Hawk GT with a left over CX650 turbo bolted on.  They were competing in the Twins class at local tracks....


Danny...

89' Red
Danny.Coady@ncr.ottwpo.dfo-mpo.x400.gc.ca






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From METTING@AMC.UVA.NL Fri Oct  6 10:39 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Mobil 1

>
>Okay, what is the next choice when you can't find Mobil 1 in the
>10W-40 variety?  
>
>

I have been using Castrol RS (10W-60) for the last 30.000 miles without
problems. Gear change action is better than with other oils I tried (Bel-Ray
synthetic, Shell G5 mineral) although the clutch still sticks a bit when
starting from cold.  
A.C. MettingVanRijn



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From Kenneth.Lawas@analog.com Fri Oct  6 10:43 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Mobil 1


> Okay, what is the next choice when you can't find Mobil 1 in the
> 10W-40 variety?  

  15W-50 if you only ride your bike above freezing temperatures.

  I can't argue why, but I use this viscosity all the time.  (I have
  tried 10W-40 and didn't notice a difference). I never get the Hawk
  really hot (I run the fan about 30 seconds a year on average), so I
  should probably be using 10W-40 for the New England climates.

  (BTW- What's the wind-chill factor for 75MPH ride at 32 deg F?).

 -Ken
  kenneth.lawas@analog.com
 '90 Red



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From jel@walker.com Fri Oct  6 12:15 PDT 1995
Subject: Re[2]: Mobil 1

     All this talk about 10-40 vs 15-50 is kind of a moot point when
     you're talking synthetics because they continue to flow far below
     freezing.  You will never notice a difference.  Mobil One comes
     in 15-50 and (maybe) 10-30 (i'm not sure).
     
     Jeff


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: RE: Mobil 1
Author:  Kenneth.Lawas@analog.com (Ken Lawas x2631) at INTERNET
Date:    10/6/95 1:46 PM


     
> Okay, what is the next choice when you can't find Mobil 1 in the 
> 10W-40 variety?  
     
  15W-50 if you only ride your bike above freezing temperatures.
     
  I can't argue why, but I use this viscosity all the time.  (I have 
  tried 10W-40 and didn't notice a difference). I never get the Hawk 
  really hot (I run the fan about 30 seconds a year on average), so I 
  should probably be using 10W-40 for the New England climates.
     
  (BTW- What's the wind-chill factor for 75MPH ride at 32 deg F?).
     
 -Ken
  kenneth.lawas@analog.com
 '90 Red
     



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From jwright@commsoft.com Fri Oct  6 12:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mobil 1

  Do noone else use HP4 synthetic blend?

                         Jim


>     All this talk about 10-40 vs 15-50 is kind of a moot point when
>     you're talking synthetics because they continue to flow far below
>     freezing.  You will never notice a difference.  Mobil One comes
>     in 15-50 and (maybe) 10-30 (i'm not sure).
>     
>     Jeff
>



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From lawrence.james@mayo.edu Fri Oct  6 13:11 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Mobil 1


>
>  (BTW- What's the wind-chill factor for 75MPH ride at 32 deg F?).
>
> -Ken
>  kenneth.lawas@analog.com
> '90 Red

I wouldn't know, that is above the speed limit in the US so it is irrelevent. 
But, if I did know, I would suggest that it would be cold enough to freeze
your sperical, genetic tranfer devices.

Jim Lawrence




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From lawrence.james@mayo.edu Fri Oct  6 13:14 PDT 1995
Subject: Favorite Racing Mods

There have been all sorts of suggestions on modifications to the Hawk to
increase performance.
My question is, if you had to pick one favorite mod. what would it be. 
Maybe two catagories here, best all around modification and best low cost
modification.

Jim Lawrence




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From jwright@commsoft.com Fri Oct  6 13:37 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Favorite Racing Mods

>There have been all sorts of suggestions on modifications to the Hawk to
>increase performance.
>My question is, if you had to pick one favorite mod. what would it be. 
>Maybe two catagories here, best all around modification and best low cost
>modification.
>
>Jim Lawrence
>

  Suspension work, definitely, for quick street riding anyway...
       
                                                J



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From METTING@AMC.UVA.NL Fri Oct  6 13:39 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: EX/Hawk power

On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Matt Goodman wrote:


>The shop has a model 100 Dynojet dynamometer, I don't know if it is the
>same thing as a "rolling road". The bike's rear wheel sits on a 900 lb
>(409 kilos?) dru. Horsepower is calculated by measuring how quickly the
>bike can accelerate the drum.


Yes, that is the same dyno that was used to test my Hawk.


>The same shop installed the jet kit and did a stock run first. My bike
>made about 47 HP before the jet kit and makes 49.5 now, witha 1 - 2.5 hp
>increase everywhere. Unfortunately, it also caused a throttle response
>problem at around 3800rpm. When rolling on the throttle at that speed, it
>would hesitate, which would get interesting when negotiating very slow
>turns. I was able to solve the problem by raising the needles 1 position,
>but I then lost the horsepower I had gained.


Mmmm, this disappoints me. After changing the stock airbox for K&N filters
and installing the Africa Twin camshafts the bike certainly felt a lot
stronger, especially above 6000 RPM. But appearently I have only gained
something like 4 HP with respect to a stock Hawk (and a lot of induction noise).
I also experienced the trottle response problem you metioned. It was clearly
visible as a dip in the torque curve around 4000 rpm. I experimented a lot
with different jets and needle settings but was I was never able to get the
carburation exactly right for good acceleration between 4000 and 5000 RPM.
When I changed the stock exhaust for a TBR exhaust the problem disappeared
and the bike runs cleanly now at all revs and trottle positions. Mileage has
improved too and is now only slightly higher than stock.

Bye, Coen 
A.C. MettingVanRijn



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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Fri Oct  6 13:44 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Cal Emission Sys

Hi Craig, on Oct 3 you wrote:

> >What's the best and/or easiest method to seal up the air intake pipe=
s
> >that go from the exhaust flange area to the device on the left side =
of
> >the cylinders?  I currently have some large bolts stuck in the flexi=
ble
> >tubing, but it looks lousy.
> >
> >Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT D=
oD#242
>=20
> Hi Phil, we just recently started to make a couple of different block=
-off
> plugs for various Honda models. I am not certain if the two different
> styles we have now will work on the HAWK or now. If you could fax me =
a
> simple sketch of the flange interface (714-550-9661) I'll try to matc=
h it
> up.
>=20
>=20
>    Craig
>=20
Craig,

Did you guys get this figured out yet?  I would be interested in a coup=
le
of plugs as well.

Steve




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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Fri Oct  6 13:45 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: tires

Hi Mike, on Oct 2 you wrote:

> The Kosman info has been published to the list ad inf., so I won't rehash 
> it, but I must say that a Hawk with the F2 front end (complete) will save
> lots of hassles down the road (takes care of braking, damping/spring rates,
> wheel width on in one shot, with a pretty good cost savings ta boot).
> You can probably get a '94 (the best year for F2) front end with EVERYTHING
> you need for under $800.  I had a line on one for $600, but cheesed on
> it, since I'm not currently racing the Hawk.  Maybe later, tho.
> 
Just a small note for anyone outside the U.S.  The '93 European CBR 600
has the same front as the '94 U.S. spec bike.

Steve




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From DFJL@aol.com Fri Oct  6 14:55 PDT 1995
Subject: SPAM ?

In a message dated 95-10-06 12:44:28 EDT, you write:

>This whole "advertising on the Net", thang is a real touchy issue to some
>people, I understand that. However if I ask the list about a certain part
>or whatever, and Craig chimes in with - "We got that, it costs $XXX, call
>if interested" - to me that's helpful information - not obnoxious
>self-promotion!

Hear ! Hear !  I'd further like to encourage Craig to keep us updated with
timely info regarding new product availablilty, and POTENTIAL products.
 Let's keep in mind that we are a captive, focused market for his company,
and if we could all agree on a need for a product, and it's worth, it may
stimulate TBR to fill that need ( CF tank, CF subframe, lefthand mirror mount
for F2 bars, etc...)

I don't know about the rest of you, but I first heard about TBR's  Left Exit
Exhaust on this forum, not anywhere else.  Please don't discourage this FREE
interchange - it is FREE, and TBR certainly has no need for advertising to
any of us - we're all acutely aware.  Is it that much of a burden when
someone says they can give you what you want ?

Lighten up folks, if you get that wound up about a little thing like this, go
for a ride and get yerself straight before you screw up a good thing.

Remember - This is only my OPINION!

Dave



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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Fri Oct  6 15:42 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

Hi GTRider9, on Oct 5 you wrote:

> In a message dated 95-10-05 14:36:21 EDT, Steve@hawk.dungeon.com (Steve
> Beatty) writes:
> 
> >That was at 200mph!!!
> >
> >Steve
> 
> What, your bike won't go 200?
> 
> (Help--dodging more flames--It's a joke guys, a JOKE!)
> 
Not yet, but after that turbo thang...

Steve




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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Fri Oct  6 15:43 PDT 1995
Subject: FOR SALE SOLD

Thanks for the responses to my fairing for sale.

It has been sold.  Actually it was sold within 10 minutes of me posting it!

Sorry I didn't have more than one.

Steve




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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Fri Oct  6 15:58 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Mobil 1

>  (BTW- What's the wind-chill factor for 75MPH ride at 32 deg F?).

Around -10 deg F.  Brrrrr....

Hugh




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From CYoung3312@aol.com Fri Oct  6 16:38 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines

In a message dated 95-10-05 21:35:31 EDT, CYoung3312 writes:
I incorrectly posted this message. sorry!
<< Subj:	Re: Source for new brake lines
Date:	95-10-05 21:35:31 EDT
From:	CYoung3312
To:	Steve@hawk.dungeon.com

I thought this whole thing was tongue in cheek. Craigs plugs for TBR were all
done with humor. I was hoping we could get some other manufacturers on board.
As far as that goes how about some back alley mechanic that tried something
that worked. 
The problem with this Country is our lost of maufacturing nad lack of a good
$1.00 cigar.
I find everyone has something to offer, whether it's wit, a testamonial or
just Bull S.

Now than.
how about porting? Is there any sense to it on the Hondas heads? I thought
about a 55HP machine and said to myself why not 60 horse?
I liked the stock shock for the first week.......but think maybe...just maybe
I need something better......I don't want to go with the 900RR unit. I want
something that will keep the same height as stock...
Will these wheels polish???(as opposed to Polish)

Thanks All
Colin R. Young
Are there any Hawk Riders in Up state New York..Saratoga area???????
let me know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>




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From ehofmann@freenet.vcu.edu Fri Oct  6 16:42 PDT 1995
Subject: Richmond-Charlottesville Ride



------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: SASHA@ndi.org



i could use all the richmond details as i live in dc and am not
familiar with

the area.



From: Phil_Calvin@unc.edu (Phil Calvin)



I'm in the nearby area, and would consider meeting up with you
in the

mountains, but this weekend looks to be wet wet wet.



From: scutchin@vt.edu (stephen r. cutchins)



Could you find out the route?  I go to Virginia Tech, which is
in the

mountains of Virginia, so I won't ride to Richmond only to ride
back here

but would love to meet up on the way!  If the route passes
anywhere fairly

close by (say by Roanoke) I would gladly meet up.  Please let
me know, I'd

love to add to the Hawk population.



Steve

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Fall Mountain Ride

Will leave from Powersports (Kaw./Suz. Dealer) 11225 Midlothian
Pike

Richmond VA @ 8:00 am

Destination, Apple Festival (somwhere near Charlottesville) 

Appox. Route, I64 to 29, to the festival for a couple hours
then return on

more interesting roads (which ones,I dont know)



They expect about 50 bikes if the weather is good and the last
report I saw 

Looked OK.



Sasha; I will email some directions to you



Any other questions, call them at 804-794-9644



See ya




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From GTRider9@aol.com Fri Oct  6 17:38 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Favorite Racing Mods

In a message dated 95-10-06 16:24:48 EDT, lawrence.james@mayo.edu (Jim
Lawrence) writes:

>My question is, if you had to pick one favorite mod. what would it be. 
>Maybe two catagories here, best all around modification and best low cost
>modification.

Best low cost mod--Pull the rubber snorkel out of the front of your airbox.
 If you've got a hacksaw blade and a file laying around, enlarge the inlet to
it's natural maximum.  Costs nothing, makes a noticeable difference in power.

Best all around--Wider front wheel + radial tires.

Other opinions?

Dave


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From JimDuc916@aol.com Fri Oct  6 17:46 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Cal Emission Sys

Hi ya'll-- ON my converted CA spec bike, I cut off the metal tube connectors,
and brazed in plugs, and grond them smooth--looks good, and was almost
free.....
ciao,
jimd


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From goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us Fri Oct  6 20:53 PDT 1995
Subject: Factory Jet Kit

Someone posted a couple weeks ago that they had had a dynojetkit installed
in their Hawk, but were going to rreplace it with a Factory kit. Was this
ever done, and, if so, where is your report?! (G)

Matt/OH                            goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us
89 Hawk GT (street)                76025.1535@compuserve.com
89 EX 500  (racebike)




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From GTRider9@aol.com Fri Oct  6 21:25 PDT 1995
Subject: Poor Man's 916

Hey fellow Hawksters:
Thought I'd let ya'll know about a Hawk that's been circulating around the
Denver area of late.  While obviously homebuilt, the concepts behind it are
sound enough--a little tidying up and it would be a pretty nice bike.

The front of the bike is your standard F2 forks/wheel/brakes/fender etc.
steered by racing-type clip-ons mounted midway between the triples.  It is
topped by an aftermarket 916 upper cowl (racing type w/out headlight
cutouts,) which, although too low to be of any real protection, looks verrry
cool.  A Wallmart projector-type headlight dangles (literally) from each
front corner of the fairing. 

Moving back past the stock tank, polished frame, and relatively
stock-appearing engine, we have what looks to me like a home-made
mini-subframe topped by a racing-type tail section with integral solo saddle.
 Besides covering the VFR rear wheel, the tail section also houses (are you
ready for this?) a 916-style exhaust system.  Dual extensions slip onto the
stock head pipes and turn immediately upward between the swingarm and the
right footpeg mount.  The exhaust pipes then turn rearward again under the
front of the seat and enter twin aluminum canisters.  I couldn't see any
manufacturer's markings on said cannisters, which are round, instead of oval
like the 916's, and taper from the front, where they are about 2" in
diameter, to the rear, where they are maybe 3.5" across.  The curved exhaust
tips exit through circular ports cut into the rear of the tail section.  The
fuel pump is zip-tied to the subframe on one side of the exhaust system,
while the battery resides in an aluminum box mounted below the swingarm where
the centerstand used to be.  A small semi-truck clearance light (wires
dangling above the rear tire) acts as a taillight while a small piece of
aluminum plate attached to the lower edge of the tail section supports
(hopefully) said "taillight" as well as the license plate.  The whole of the
body is covered with a fairly radical but nicely applied pearl white and
purple paint job.

Although a bit too functionally extreme for my taste (that postage stamp of a
seat doesn't look too inviting, and I have no idea how he gets the battery in
and out) I can certainly appreciate the effort required to create the beast.
 It also is evident that a 916-style exhaust is not likely to be compatible
with the stock inner/outer fender setup.

As I write this I'm looking at some pretty good pictures I took of the PM916
(my name for it, not necessarily the owner's) last month at the Steamboat
Mountain Roadrace, but I don't have any way to scan them into my computer, so
a 3000-word description will have to suffice.  Hope I haven't bored you.

Dave

BTW, if any of you front range Hawkers are in the Boulder area on Sunday, Max
Rutsch and I are planning to meet at Cycles of Boulder at 1:00 PM to do a
little horse trading; stop on by!



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From tbrking@twobros.com Fri Oct  6 22:16 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines

Mike,

Spam, spam, spam, bacon and spam. Bacon, bacon....

Thanks.


   Craig

BTW, I'm 41 but my best friends are 16 and 17. They're my two boys.

BTW II, I spoke with Gary Orr of HawkWorks today and he just purchased a
filthy but bone stock HAWK for 1300 bucks! The dog.


   Spam (a.k.a. spam dude, a.k.a. Craig)




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From tbrking@twobros.com Fri Oct  6 22:16 PDT 1995
Subject: TBR's new Domain Name

Just  quick to to all that I've got a new domain name; tbrking@twobros.com.
I'll still receive mail at my old address, netvoyage.net, for a while but
you may want to update your recipient file with the new address.

And hopefully very soon I'll get something going in the web site,
www.twobros.com. I've got a ton of cool HAWK days photos ready to plug in.
In fact I may try to put something in there this weekend. It's just that
it's all new and.... I'm scared. 


   Craig




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From tbrking@twobros.com Fri Oct  6 22:19 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe no more

Kelly Thornton wrote:

>       Mr. Erion should have an idea about this...
>        I believe in 1993 when M. DuHamel was campaigning Kawasaki's
>        ZX-6 (and winning the championship) Watanabe was on his crew
>        as a tech guy.

Not even! Never. No. Dream on.

>        Surely he is intelligent enough to consider all that been
>        passed through on this list.

Hmmmmmm.


>        What we could also use is a carbon fiber rear sub-frame that
>        can be installed for solo/race purposes.

Big bucks. Really big, big, big bucks.


   Craig




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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Sat Oct  7 02:12 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Poor Man's 916

Hi GTRider9, on Oct 7 you wrote:

> Hey fellow Hawksters:
> Thought I'd let ya'll know about a Hawk that's been circulating around the
> Denver area of late.  While obviously homebuilt, the concepts behind it are
> sound enough--a little tidying up and it would be a pretty nice bike.

> 
Please try and find someone to scan this for you.  I really would like to
see this...sounds strange.  If you can't find anyone closer to scan it for
you I would be willing to do it and post them to the group and of course
return your pics or you could send me copies and I would pay you for them.
Let me know and I can send you my snail mail address.

Steve




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From jleung@indirect.com Sat Oct  7 07:01 PDT 1995
Subject: I am a wimp

Hi, my name is Jim and I have a problem...
I'M A WIMP!!!!

I am 5'8" 155lbs and in pretty good shape,
BUT I CAN'T GET MY HAWK ON THE CENTER STAND!
Could any tell me what is wrong with my technique?
It is the same one I used for my old GPz,
I stand on the protruded centerstand area and
pull back on the handlebars. Did I forget to say please?

Help! I'm so embarassed...
        Ima Wimp



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From jleung@indirect.com Sat Oct  7 07:58 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Fender Eliminator

>
>>    Fender Eliminator kit?
>>
>>    I've seen them on other bikes but not for a Hawk. Do they exist?
>>
>>    Inquiring minds want to know!
>
>
>Yes,
>
>Competition Werkes (503-673-6059) has 'em for the Hawk.  Cost is around $70
>

When I bought my it had the following configuration (homemade)

        Fender removed,
        License plate mounted to old fender mount point,
        License plat light mounted behind brake light,
        Rear protruding turn signals replaced with Lockhart/Phillips
                flush mount turn signals (black and tint orange)
                mounted on the old turnsignal mount points.

        Cost: about $15 for the turn signals
              two feet of electrical tape & 4 plastic ties

Jim  



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From bennetta@axis.Colorado.EDU Sat Oct  7 08:43 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Poor Man's 916



On Sat, 7 Oct 1995 GTRider9@aol.com wrote:

> Hey fellow Hawksters:
> Thought I'd let ya'll know about a Hawk that's been circulating around the
> Denver area of late.  While obviously homebuilt, the concepts behind it are

> ready for this?) a 916-style exhaust system.  Dual extensions slip onto the
> stock head pipes and turn immediately upward between the swingarm and the

> body is covered with a fairly radical but nicely applied pearl white and
> purple paint job.

If it the bike I think it is, the owner is a racer for the MRA here in 
Denver.  I spoke to him about his bike's exhaust after Steamboat, and he 
said he made it himself.  I can't remember the specifics, but I do remember
the whole thing came in under $100.  I would have taken notes, but I was 
working.  If people are interested, I can dig up his name in the entry forms
and talk to him again, or you could go to Stapleton on 10/15, he might be 
there.  Note that he might not be there also, as he rode his bike away 
from the races on 10/1, so he might not be racing the rest of the 
season.  FYI as a race bike goes, it is not really slow, however it is 
not anywhere near the Ducs in the twins class.  No surprises there.

> BTW, if any of you front range Hawkers are in the Boulder area on Sunday, Max
> Rutsch and I are planning to meet at Cycles of Boulder at 1:00 PM to do a
> little horse trading; stop on by!

Sorry, got to work Sunday.

PS Don't look for me at Steamboat - I have to go to Malibu for work that 
week and won't be back in time for the races.

Adam
MRA Head Corner Marshall, '95


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From jamesm@calweb.com Sat Oct  7 10:17 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: I am a wimp

On Sat, 7 Oct 1995, Jim Leung wrote:
> I am 5'8" 155lbs and in pretty good shape,
> BUT I CAN'T GET MY HAWK ON THE CENTER STAND!
> Could any tell me what is wrong with my technique?
> It is the same one I used for my old GPz,
> I stand on the protruded centerstand area and
> pull back on the handlebars. Did I forget to say please?

Standing to the left of the bike, right foot on centerstand tang,
left hand on left handlebar, right hand on grab rail beneath the
seat. Hold the bike upright so that both of the centerstand "feet"
are touching the ground.

Stand on your right foot, and pull up and back with your hands.
No jerking, just a smooth push-pull operation.  It isn't a matter
of strength or size, just technique.  My 5'2", 120lbs lady friend
can put my Hawk on the stand.  You're really just starting it, and
the bike's own weight will do the rest. 

-----
james montebello - owner of the 2nd messiest garage in sacramento, california



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	Just a quick note on the SFO trip on the Hawk

	About 1500 miles in 9 days, most of it along the CA coast.
I started in Orange County and slipped up the 5 to Frazier Pass, 
a hamlet near the Grapevine.  Going directly west I ran up across
Pinons pass.  COLD!  At about 5000' the sun came on strong.  Then
it was 76 miles and one car down to the carrot valley.  A quick
gas stop and then 65 miles down the ?? river to Pismo beach.

	The 1 was wonderful and terrible.  Fog, cold, wind, cars
and the nicest coastal scenes I have ever seen.  Lunch was in Cambria,
just south of the 95 miles of "nothing" on the coast.  The "nothing"
was full of cars doing 20-25 mph in the turns.  I passed on the double
yellow too many times to count, a few times with truly accidental 
wheelies.  Not knowing how long it would take to get there I passed
at nearly ever place I could.  It was still slow and miserable.  
A total of 11.5 hours to SFO.

	After the setup at the show I took a quick ride out
to Viansa, one of the nicest, southernmost wineries in Sonoma.  After
picking up some wine ( Nebiolo '93 and Chardonet '94: you can only
get it there and it is great ) I decided to take the 121 back to SFO.
Remebering that Sears Point is on the 121 I decided to stop in if
I could.

	The northern approach to Sears Point lets you see any racing
that is going on.  By luck there were motorcycles going by.  In fact
on that Sunday there were Honda Hawks going by.  No doubt, I was 
going to stop.  Before pulling up to the main gate I decided to 
buy a ticket for the rest of the day.  As I rolled up a man came up
to me.  He whipped out a clip board and said "Please sign in."
Thinking quickly, I said "Certainly, just let me slip off this 
glove."  He then pointed to the pits and I drove right in.

	Those that have been here might surmize what happened.
Whenever I ride, even to the store to buy milk, I ride with a complete
set of leathers ( Vanson something II, with armor, black and grey )
race gloves, boots and a full-face helmet.  I was wearing this getup 
on that Sunday.  Many Hawks came to race.  Hey, the guy was confused.
No, I did not pull to the starting line and win the feature, but
that would have been just too unlikely.  I did see two other blue
Hawks.  One pulled by a small station wagon and one with a truck.
There was a grey one, too.  Anybody on the list?

	The crowd was thin.  Eventually I left the pits and went up
top to watch the 600 and unlimited Stock races.  After the last race
I headed home.  Nearly certain that I had spotted Beth Dixon and 
somebody else, I pulled in to a gas station on Van Ness in SFO.  As 
unlikely as it was, it was another short blond with a Duc and custom
Corbin seat.  Her plate said "MS DUC".  Her husband had a BRAND NEW
Guzzi 4-valve with FI and neat black-anodized CNC crash plates bolted
to the motor.  They never heard of the DoD....

	After a long morning I decided to check out the "driveway of 
death", Skyline Drive, Alice's and Half-moon bay.  Skyline is really
spectacular.  So is my Valentine-1 ( mounted on my tank bag ).  Even
on a Wednesday afternoon there were plenty of speed traps.  The
driveway at Hugh's is tough.  Keep in mind that I wrote "Dual-sport
Hawk"; I went down the right ( hard ) side of the drive just to see
how bad it could be.  In sum, a mistake here could be painful and 
expensive.  Do not get distracted by the few false turns or the 
white car; go slow.  Hugh was not there; just a few cars and a good
view.  Going up the drive is fun -- if you like that sort of thing.
The first right turn is good for sliding, but be sure to hook up 
on the right track because the left one will shake you and send 
you up in the air -- stay on the gas and stand on the pegs.  Go 
too far right and you will land in Sunnyvale, or perhas Mountain
View, some time in November.

	My wife came to SFO to take the ride back.  The extra
mass of wife, tank bag and saddle bags ( they melted, even 
with a new leather cover and an exhaust deflector ) combined
with the extra power of an unstuffed Supertrapp and Factory 
kit ( no airbox lid ) made it so my Hawk will do power wheelies in
3rd gear.  There was only an eighth as much traffic on the way
down as on the way up.  By chance I hooked up with a guy on a PC800
and cranked at 6500 rpm down the 1 to Santa Cruz.  The airbox
and exhaust mods make a big difference for this type of high-speed
two-up touring.  104 miles and the tank was empty.  The Hog's Breath
Inn was less than it could have been.  

	Those 95 miles south of Carmel were great this time.  Only 
a dozen double-yellow passes and most of the road was about 75 mph.
There were a few 2nd gear turns and great scenery.  There are one or
two long U-shaped passing zones on the 1.  These are great fun.
Things get straight and slow down by Hearst, so we stopped at 1:pm.
A tour was available at 1:10 pm.  Very good luck, but a real struggle
to get off 50 lbs of gear, lock the bike, saddle bags and pack 
in 10 minutes.

	The rest of the drive was easy.  The 101 has some nice 
sections, but not like the 1.  We did find a car on its roof in 
Santa Barbera -- it seems that Californians like to park cars 
upside-down.

	One final note.  The trip would have been miserable with the
old ( stock ) shock.  The change is really remarkable.  As somebody
else commented, "majic carpet ride".

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
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From Hawky647@aol.com Sat Oct  7 11:34 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Favorite Racing Mods

F2 front end.
Period.
It is the best modification for the money and regardless of price. My whole
front end cost me less than $500 including a D364 tire (take off). BTW, the
D364 front tire is the greatest, I get about 7000 miles with a couple of
track classes thrown in and wear out a set of knee sliders in less than two
months. Not bad for $75. Changing to an F2 front end cures all of your
problems at one time: wider front tire and wheel, better damping, and dual
disc brakes all at once. You get more ground clearance because the front end
doesn't dive as much and the bike tracks much more confidently through
corners. When I first put the front end on I kept crossing the center lines
on left turns be cause the front no longer pushed it would just go where it
was pointed. It is much easier to make mid-corner corrections if you need to.
I just had some cool custom steel braided brake lines made for them. Stock F2
ones would have been too long, since I have the clipons mounted below the
triple clamps. They are about 4 inches shorter and the two fittings at the
top curve away from each other instead of going straight so that they clear
the headlight bracket. One line  goes inside the bracket and the other goes
outside it. Also, they are encased in clear tubing to stop scratches.

Will


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From Hawky647@aol.com Sat Oct  7 11:34 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Cal Emission Sys

I saw a kit at my local shop for XL 650s that that blocks off the smog hoses.
It contains two plates to replace the ones that come out of the cylinder so
you would only need one kit. They look like they would bolt right on to the
Hawk. the plates are flat instead of having those metal lines coming out of
them. The kit is about $20.


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From 102136.3317@compuserve.com Sat Oct  7 16:19 PDT 1995
Subject: Matt, where are you?

Sorry to waste space, but this is just a test.

Thanks.


Markl



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From Rutsch@aol.com Sat Oct  7 19:12 PDT 1995
Subject: tail section?

If I'm not mistaken, the seat on the Hawk and on the CB-1 are the same.  If
this is so, and if the CB-1 tail section looks better (I think it does), does
anyone know if the tail section and its required tail light will work on a
stock hawk subframe, or if it can be done with a little modification.

While I'm at it, what about an aftermarket tail section that will fit on the
hawk?  I know about the RC-30 stuff, but for me, that takes away totally from
the narrowness of the hawk, which is something I love about it.  Any
experiments that worked.  Same for the front, what fairings are will fit a
hawk?  I know about the Rc-30 stuff, just wondering if anyone has seen
something else (like the 916 fairing GTrider9 saw).  Just want to get rid of
what I consider an ugly tail, and get good looking wind protection (with the
emphasis on good looking).

Thanks for suggestions
Max
88 Hawk/F2 front


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From goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us Sat Oct  7 19:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Pipes / Drilling out Sliders

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Dennis Daniel Crowley wrote:

> For anyone who might be interested . . .
> 
> Needle have been cut (on the top, where the clip goes) to fit into the 
> needle holders, per instructions from Dynojet.  Therefore, the cannot go 
> LEANER than the third position.  What this means to you is that they'll 
> work with Uni's or open stacks, and probably with this stock boot/Uni 
> hybrid we've been discussing, but not with a stock box.

Just to further fatten up the collective database, I have a Hawk with
stock everything except for a stage 1 Dynojet kit.

 ____       I'm fairly certain that Dynojet uses the same needle for all
 |  |       of it's stages.   
 |  |
  ||   4    I think what I have labeled as position 4 is the same thing
 |  |       DC is calling position 3. IF that is correct, then his needles
 |  |       WILL work for people using the stock airbox AND exhaust. Mine
  ||   5    makes best power at 4, but leaves a slight flat spot at around
 |  |       3800 RPM. 5 gives buttery smooth roll-on at almost any RPM (down
 |  |       to about 1800 RPM) and for that reason, feels to make more power
  ||   6    but comes out to about the same as stock.
 |  |
 |  |
 |  |
 |  |
 |  |       FWIW,
 |  |
 |  |  
  \/

Matt/OH                            goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us
89 Hawk GT (street)                76025.1535@compuserve.com
89 EX 500  (racebike)




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From goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us Sat Oct  7 20:24 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Rear end stand (again)

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Ken Lawas x2631 wrote:

>   1.  It sounds like it uses the Hawk spring.  Since I can't get the
>       proper sag with the stock spring and the Hawk shock (the spring's
>       too stiff), I don't see how I could get any more sag by adding
>       the 900RR shock.  I weight 150lbs.  Anyone else find that they
>       have to crank the preload down to nothing to get the suspension
>       a little compressed?  The Fox comes with a lower spring constant.

I weigh 130 pounds and get 1" sag with the stock shock's preload adjustor
on position 5 and 1.5" when set on 4.


Matt/OH                            goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us
89 Hawk GT (street)                76025.1535@compuserve.com
89 EX 500  (racebike)




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From scutchin@vt.edu Sat Oct  7 23:26 PDT 1995
Subject: 900 shock/Hawk spring

I put a 900 shock on a few weeks ago with the Hawk spring.  To get rear sag 
down to about an inch without me aboard I have to have the spring preload 
set on seven out of seven.  On settings one through about four the collar is 
so loose I can turn it by hand, the spring can actually rattle around.  The 
factory manual says the free spring service limit is 5.84", mine was a 
little over six.  Did I do something wrong?  I am not sure how old the shock 
is so I don't know if it is worn out but I think it is fairly new (it had a 
red spring if that helps ID the year.)  Compression and rebound are both set 
in the middle, I figured I would play with them later.  Any help would be 
greatly appreciated.

Steve '89 700cc saggy-butt



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From scutchin@vt.edu Sat Oct  7 23:27 PDT 1995
Subject: fiberglass

Could a self-supporting fiberglass tailsection be made?  I have never worked 
with fiberglass and do not know it's strength but am willing to try.  I 
think making a mold of the stock tailsection but with a solo saddle would 
look fantastic, and making it self-supporting would save a good bit of 
weight.  Is this possible?  Is fiberglass too brittle?  Is is easy to work with?

Steve '89 700cc



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From JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Sun Oct  8 06:04 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: no fuel

In a message dated 95-10-06 00:10:02 EDT, you write:

>comments: No fuel.  Pump works, but not when juice comes through normal
> channels.
> 
> It's fuel pump relay or, someone suggested, the pulse
> generator.
> 
> How best to check?
> 

Since you've determined that the fuel pump is ok, the problem must be
upstream from there.  I guess the best place to start is with the wiring and
connections:

Remove the seat.  Locate the fuel pump relay (on the right forward of the
battery) and remove it from its rubber mounting.  

Check the connector terminals for corrosion.

Check to ensure that power is getting to the relay (You should get 12v
between the Black wire and ground). If there is no power there, check fuse
#6.  If the fuse is good, then there must be a break in the wiring between
the fuse and the relay.

To check the relay itself,  connect a voltmeter between the relay terminal
for the Black/Blue wire and ground.  Then apply 12v across the relay
terminals for the other two wires (+12v to the terminal for the Black wire,
ground to the terminal for the Yellow/Blue wire).  When power is applied, the
relay should click and 12v should appear on the meter.  If it doesn't, then
the relay is bad.  If it does, then there is a problem between the relay and
the ignition unit.  Check continuity in the Yellow/Blue wire between the
relay and the ignition unit.  If it's ok, then the ignition unit itself is
the problem.

Have fun, and good luck.

JT


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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Sun Oct  8 08:47 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Poor Man's 916

> While obviously homebuilt, the concepts behind it are
> sound enough--a little tidying up and it would be a pretty nice bike.
> 
> The front of the bike is your standard F2 forks/wheel/brakes/fender etc.
> steered by racing-type clip-ons mounted midway between the triples.  It is
> topped by an aftermarket 916 upper cowl (racing type w/out headlight
> cutouts,) which, although too low to be of any real protection, looks verrry
> cool.  A Wallmart projector-type headlight dangles (literally) from each
> front corner of the fairing. 
> 
> Moving back past the stock tank, polished frame, and relatively
> stock-appearing engine, we have what looks to me like a home-made
> mini-subframe topped by a racing-type tail section with integral solo saddle.
>  Besides covering the VFR rear wheel, the tail section also houses (are you
> ready for this?) a 916-style exhaust system.  

I have also heard reports of someone racing one on the east coast that 
had a single exhaust pipe routed up uncer the rear subframe.  It was 
exiting through a round hole cut into the rear soloseat glass.  Obviously 
wouldn't work like that for street use, but still, it sounds neat.  

I am not sure it'd be worth the effort to put the exhaust up inside 
there.  I may change my mind though.

> As I write this I'm looking at some pretty good pictures I took of the PM916
> (my name for it, not necessarily the owner's) last month at the Steamboat
> Mountain Roadrace, but I don't have any way to scan them into my computer, so
> a 3000-word description will have to suffice.  Hope I haven't bored you.

Dave, send them to me.  I'll scan them the day they arrive, and put them 
up on my web page for all to see.  Then I'll send them right back to 
you.  Just do it.  Phil Calvin, 231 W. Margaret Lane, Hillsborough, NC 27278

> BTW, if any of you front range Hawkers are in the Boulder area on Sunday, Max
> Rutsch and I are planning to meet at Cycles of Boulder at 1:00 PM to do a
> little horse trading; stop on by!

I was in Boulder last Spring and saw a white (with colored splatters) Hawk
parked in front of the Boulder theatre one evening.  It had an RC30
fairing, a different exhaust, and I recall some polished bits, but as this
was before I actually acquired my Hawk, I don't recall any more
particulars.  Was this one of yours?   I thought it looked really nice.  
I waited around for a while to see if I could catch the owner, but I was 
seeing a band and went on inside.

Phil


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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Sun Oct  8 08:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Poor Man's 916

> While obviously homebuilt, the concepts behind it are
> sound enough--a little tidying up and it would be a pretty nice bike.
> 
> The front of the bike is your standard F2 forks/wheel/brakes/fender etc.
> steered by racing-type clip-ons mounted midway between the triples.  It is
> topped by an aftermarket 916 upper cowl (racing type w/out headlight
> cutouts,) which, although too low to be of any real protection, looks 
verrry
> cool.  A Wallmart projector-type headlight dangles (literally) from each
> front corner of the fairing. 
> > Moving back past the stock tank, polished frame, and relatively
> stock-appearing engine, we have what looks to me like a home-made
> mini-subframe topped by a racing-type tail section with integral solo 
saddle.
>  Besides covering the VFR rear wheel, the tail section also houses (are you
> ready for this?) a 916-style exhaust system.  

I have also heard reports of someone racing one on the east coast that 
had a single exhaust pipe routed up uncer the rear subframe.  It was 
exiting through a round hole cut into the rear soloseat glass.  Obviously 
wouldn't work like that for street use, but still, it sounds neat.  

I am not sure it'd be worth the effort to put the exhaust up inside 
there.  I may change my mind though.

> As I write this I'm looking at some pretty good pictures I took of the 
PM916
> (my name for it, not necessarily the owner's) last month at the Steamboat
> Mountain Roadrace, but I don't have any way to scan them into my 
computer, so
> a 3000-word description will have to suffice.  Hope I haven't bored you.

Dave, send them to me.  I'll scan them the day they arrive, and put them 
up on my web page for all to see.  Then I'll send them right back to 
you.  Just do it.  Phil Calvin, 231 W. Margaret Lane, Hillsborough, NC 27278

> BTW, if any of you front range Hawkers are in the Boulder area on 
Sunday, Max
> Rutsch and I are planning to meet at Cycles of Boulder at 1:00 PM to do a
> little horse trading; stop on by!

I was in Boulder last Spring and saw a white (with colored splatters) Hawk
parked in front of the Boulder theatre one evening.  It had an RC30
fairing, a different exhaust, and I recall some polished bits, but as this
was before I actually acquired my Hawk, I don't recall any more
particulars.  Was this one of yours?   I thought it looked really nice.  
I waited around for a while to see if I could catch the owner, but I was 
seeing a band and went on inside.

Phil




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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Sun Oct  8 08:57 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: I am a wimp

> Subject: I am a wimp
> 
> Hi, my name is Jim and I have a problem...
> I'M A WIMP!!!!
> 
> I am 5'8" 155lbs and in pretty good shape,
> BUT I CAN'T GET MY HAWK ON THE CENTER STAND!
> Could any tell me what is wrong with my technique?
> It is the same one I used for my old GPz,
> I stand on the protruded centerstand area and
> pull back on the handlebars. Did I forget to say please?
> 
> Help! I'm so embarassed...

Actually, it's possible that your center stand is bent.  If so, you may 
not be getting all the leverage you need to pop it up on the stand.

When I had a centerstand, I did not pull back on the bars.  I held the 
bike up and straight with my left hand on the bars, stood on the stand 
with my right foot, and PULLED UP on the rear section with my right arm.  

That did it for me (5'6", 150lbs, ok shape).

Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242



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From bennetta@axis.Colorado.EDU Sun Oct  8 11:31 PDT 1995
Subject: Poor mans 916

GT Rider (of the I took the pictures in Steamboat fame),

If you could do me a big favor and tell me the number on the race bike, I 
would appreciate it.  I can't remember the guys name, and I have narrowed 
it down to 2 people I can't get in touch with.  I seem to remember he was 
#427, but I could be wrong.  Let me know.

Adam




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From Chad_H@msn.com Sun Oct  8 12:11 PDT 1995
Subject: Register?

I'm a "new" Honda Hawk GT owner (my son is anyway) and I'm interested in 
having access to a BB of other users. How do we enroll using Micro Soft's 
system?


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From jamesm@calweb.com Sun Oct  8 13:43 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: fiberglass

On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, stephen r. cutchins wrote:

> Could a self-supporting fiberglass tailsection be made?  I have never worked 
> with fiberglass and do not know it's strength but am willing to try.  I 
> think making a mold of the stock tailsection but with a solo saddle would 
> look fantastic, and making it self-supporting would save a good bit of 
> weight.  Is this possible?  Is fiberglass too brittle?  Is is easy to 
> work with?

This would be a complicated project, and I'd not recommend it as
a first project in fiberglass work.  Working with structural
composites requires quite a bit of experience and careful design
work.  For example, you'd have to make some custom mounting parts
out of Al or steel and bond them to the fiberglass section, since
fiberglass doesn't take shear loads very well, and all-fiberglass
parts couldn't be make small enough (with adequate strength) to
fit the subframe mounts on the Hawk.  The design would probably
have to be a foam/fiberglass composite to get adequate stiffness
(a flexible subframe is not a good thing), which complicates things
furthur.  Finally, you'd have to consider all of the bits that 
currently mount to/inside the stock subframe, like the electrics
and the battery.  These would all require more Al/steel mounting
plates, or would have to find a home elsewhere. 

A simple steel subframe, with lightweight fiberglass bodywork,
would be substantially easier to construct, and would probably come
very close to the all-fiberglass design in finished weight.

The all-fiberglass version would be very trick, but I think it
would be beyond someone who doesn't have a fairly comprehensive
background in composites.  Make some non-structural bodywork first.

-----
james montebello - owner of the 2nd messiest garage in sacramento, california



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From gumby647@digital.net Sun Oct  8 17:59 PDT 1995
Subject: Change of address

   Frank,

  Please change my address from gumby647@aol.com to Gumby647@digital.net.
Sorry to send this to the list but I couldn't find the admin address
                                               Gumby
                                               CCS #818



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From Hawky647@aol.com Sun Oct  8 19:01 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: 900 shock/Hawk spring

I thought sag should be about 1 inch WITH the rider aboard.?


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From GTRider9@aol.com Sun Oct  8 19:17 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Poor mans 916

In a message dated 95-10-08 14:41:54 EDT, bennetta@axis.Colorado.EDU (Adam
David Bennett) writes:

>If you could do me a big favor and tell me the number on the race bike, I 
>would appreciate it.  I can't remember the guys name, and I have narrowed 
>it down to 2 people I can't get in touch with.  I seem to remember he was 
>#427, but I could be wrong.  Let me know.

#427 (white backgrounds) was what was on the bike @ Steamboat.

This information comes at a price however.  Why did Shane Turpin let Donnie
Hough win the Race of the Rockies?  I can't figure it out.  What's the
skinny?

Dave


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From GTRider9@aol.com Sun Oct  8 20:01 PDT 1995
Subject: Full Moon vs Jeff Leveroni

I just rode 45 miles under an awesome full moon and I had but one thought in
mind the whole way:

I HOPE LEVERONI'S CHAINED UP!!!  I'll bet he's got hair growing on his palms
right this minute.

I don't even know the guy and he worries me!

Dave 

P.S.  One more thought.  Craig Erion has a pretty cool attitude for someone
who ought to be pretty full of himself.  I hope he continues to participate
in this list.


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From bennetta@axis.Colorado.EDU Sun Oct  8 20:08 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Poor mans 916

On Sun, 8 Oct 1995 GTRider9@aol.com wrote:

> >#427, but I could be wrong.  Let me know.
> 
> #427 (white backgrounds) was what was on the bike @ Steamboat.
> 
> This information comes at a price however.  Why did Shane Turpin let Donnie
> Hough win the Race of the Rockies?  I can't figure it out.  What's the
> skinny?
> 
> Dave
> 

I will try to get in touch with him this week, and I will post the 
results of our conversation.  For all those who have not seen this bike, 
it is pretty cool up close.

On to the price:

I just spoke to Don and he said that he and Shane were going at 
it through the whole race, but that Don's 0W01/FZR1000 combo had more horse 
power than Shane's Ducati. Don further stated that Shane did not let him 
win - that he (Shane) would have won if he could have, but on the last 
lap Don just got on the gas a little harder than the previous ones.  
Shane will still win the wheelie competition anyday as illustrated at 
Second Creek before last.  Wheelies all the way down the front straight.

I'll talk to Shane later this week or next.

On a hawk note, going back to the rear head on the front issue, I spoke 
to Jerry Anderson (who races a hawk, #18 I think) about this mod.  His 
claim is that he had the flow measured and the front head had almost 
15% less flow than the rear.  His modification included: swapping the 
front head for a rear, cutting out the frame brace that the front 
exhuast must exit around, and making a stainless steel exhaust system 
that had the flow he wanted.  He claims that he noticed the top end 
difference from this.  Since I will never find the top end on my Hawk, 
I think I will avoid this modification.  

As for the front tire issue, I got my hawk with a Sportmax front tire 
120 on a stock 2.5" rim.  I looked up the tire in the distributors 
book, and it says 3" rim minimum.  This concerned me, however there is 
no problem with the handling and I have a large problem with cash 
flow.  If I crash and die from this tire on the front, I will make sure 
my wife puts a warning in my obituary.  :)

Adam  



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From METTING@AMC.UVA.NL Mon Oct  9 02:45 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: no fuel

>comments: No fuel.  Pump works, but not when juice comes through normal
> channels.
> 
> It's fuel pump relay or, someone suggested, the pulse
> generator.
> 
> How best to check?

Make a temporary short circuit between the black and black/blue wires to the
pump relay. If the bike then runs on two cylinders, ignition and pump are
ok. Check that the yellow/blue wire from the pump relay to the front coil
conducts. If there is continuity, your problem is caused by the relay.
Install a new relay or make the short circuit described above permanent, as
I did on my Hawk (I can not think of a realistic situation where the relay
would prevent a fire or the spilling of large amounts of petrol, the relay
is a nuisance because it causes endless starter sessions to fill the float
bowls with petrol after carburator work).

Success, Coen













  
A.C. MettingVanRijn



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From vgregory@mckinley.den.mmc.com Mon Oct  9 07:59 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:  I am a wimp

James replied:
On Sat, 7 Oct 1995, Jim Leung wrote:
> I am 5'8" 155lbs and in pretty good shape,
> BUT I CAN'T GET MY HAWK ON THE CENTER STAND!
> Could any tell me what is wrong with my technique?
> It is the same one I used for my old GPz,
> I stand on the protruded centerstand area and
> pull back on the handlebars. Did I forget to say please?

Standing to the left of the bike, right foot on centerstand tang,
left hand on left handlebar, right hand on grab rail beneath the
seat. Hold the bike upright so that both of the centerstand "feet"
are touching the ground.

Stand on your right foot, and pull up and back with your hands.
No jerking, just a smooth push-pull operation.  It isn't a matter
of strength or size, just technique.  My 5'2", 120lbs lady friend
can put my Hawk on the stand.  You're really just starting it, and
the bike's own weight will do the rest. 

-----
james montebello - owner of the 2nd messiest garage in sacramento, california
----------------------

The key thing is to push with the right foot.  Your hands are just there
to steady the bike.  

Val Gregory (5'8", 130 lb, scrawney arms)
'90 Hawk GT - "Redtailed"
DoD #1258


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From sreeb@doctord.com Mon Oct  9 08:11 PDT 1995

	 
	id m0t260A-0003mRC; Mon, 9 Oct 95 08:23 GMT+0800
Message-Id: 
From: sreeb@doctord.com (E. R. Beers Jr.)
Subject: Re: I am a wimp
To: hawkgt@dsea.com
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 08:23:30 +0800 (GMT+0800)
In-Reply-To:  from "Phil Calvin" at Oct 8, 95 12:06:19 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
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> 
> > Subject: I am a wimp
> > 
> > Hi, my name is Jim and I have a problem...
> > I'M A WIMP!!!!
> > 
> > I am 5'8" 155lbs and in pretty good shape,
> > BUT I CAN'T GET MY HAWK ON THE CENTER STAND!
> > Could any tell me what is wrong with my technique?
> > It is the same one I used for my old GPz,
> > I stand on the protruded centerstand area and
> > pull back on the handlebars. Did I forget to say please?
> > 
> > Help! I'm so embarassed...
> 
> Actually, it's possible that your center stand is bent.  If so, you may 
> not be getting all the leverage you need to pop it up on the stand.
> 
> When I had a centerstand, I did not pull back on the bars.  I held the 
> bike up and straight with my left hand on the bars, stood on the stand 
> with my right foot, and PULLED UP on the rear section with my right arm.  
> 
I had the same problem and arrived at the same answer after watching a
friend of mine who rides a BMW put my hawk on the centerstand on the
first attempt.  I had succeeded maybe 6 times in two years of ownership.

There is a square steel tube in just the right place to grab.  Keep your
spine straight and use your legs.

Your problem may be agravated by anything you have done which lowers the 
suspension height like lower profile tires or excess sag.

Ed


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From jel@walker.com Mon Oct  9 08:22 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Full Moon vs Jeff Leveroni

     


GTRider9@aol.com wrote:

>I just rode 45 miles under an awesome full moon and I had but one thought in 
>mind the whole way:
     
>I HOPE LEVERONI'S CHAINED UP!!!  I'll bet he's got hair growing on his palms 
>right this minute.
     
>I don't even know the guy and he worries me!
     
>Dave 
     
Chains cannot hold me....I am EVERYWHERE!!!  

I must thank you, GTRider, without you invoking my presence in your 
thoughts, I wouldn't have been able to escape my worldly bonds and fly
free through the night invoking fear and mayhem in the hearts of men.

BU-ah ha haaaaaaa!

To know me is to love me, ;-)

Jeff


BTW-  I just installed the Race Tech Cartridge emulators in my F2 forks.
I plan on finishing this project this evening.  A report will follow.



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From GRANBERG@aol.com Mon Oct  9 08:24 PDT 1995

 am still getting mail.

Thanks,

Erik


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From malpen@mailhost2.csusm.edu Mon Oct  9 12:38 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: fiberglass



	Sure, no problem.  How much are you willing to pay for it?

Mark


> Could a self-supporting fiberglass tailsection be made?  I have never worked 
> with fiberglass and do not know it's strength but am willing to try.  I 
> think making a mold of the stock tailsection but with a solo saddle would 
> look fantastic, and making it self-supporting would save a good bit of 
> weight.  Is this possible?  Is fiberglass too brittle?  Is is easy to work with?
> 
> Steve '89 700cc
> 
> 
> 


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Mon Oct  9 13:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Spring question


Hi all:

Just got done mounting the 900RR shock, and have realized (during inspection
and installation) that the Hawk spring, while significantly meatier, is
about 1/2" too short.  Does anyone know if Fox or someone makes a Hawk
spring in longer lengths?  It needs to be just as meaty, but just a touch
longer to get proper sag and still retain some adjustability.


Thanks,

Mike

PS - Pro Tekk sprockets came in recently, and the DID X-ring chain will
be here soon, too.  MUST......REASSEMBLE.....MOTORCYCLE!!!!  
(I think I caught whatever Jeff had! ;-)


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From DFJL@aol.com Mon Oct  9 15:59 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Spring question

In a message dated 95-10-09 16:45:38 EDT, you write:

>Just got done mounting the 900RR shock, and have realized (during inspection
>and installation) that the Hawk spring, while significantly meatier, is
>about 1/2" too short.  Does anyone know if Fox or someone makes a Hawk
>spring in longer lengths?  It needs to be just as meaty, but just a touch
>longer to get proper sag and still retain some adjustability.
>
>
The plastic spacer from the Hawk shock should help some, but you really don't
need more than that unless you can't get the sag set properly. If this is the
case, get a spacer machined from aluminum, I don't think you'll find a spring
stiff as stock in a longer length from the aftermarket, and the spacer is
really what you want anyway.
I was able to set up the sag to 25mm at 7 I think, with the plastic Hawk
spacer.  I'm 145 lbs if that's any of your business.

Dave


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From MPulskamp@aol.com Mon Oct  9 18:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Rear Turn Signals

I am using SAUB side markers, they look great, small smooth, clean. REALLY
expensive. check this out next time you see a Saub sitting around. 


------------------------------

From DFJL@aol.com Mon Oct  9 19:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Rear Turn Signals

In a message dated 95-10-09 21:31:27 EDT, you write:

>I am using SAUB side markers, they look great, small smooth, clean. REALLY
>expensive. check this out next time you see a Saub sitting around. 
>
>

What the hell is a SAUB ?

Dave


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From GTRider9@aol.com Mon Oct  9 21:26 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Rear Turn Signals

In a message dated 95-10-09 22:16:00 EDT, DFJL@aol.com writes:

>What the hell is a SAUB ?

Maybe he means SAAB?  It's a kind of, uh, you know--one of those 4-wheeled
things.  And if you wonder what the name means, ask anyone who has ever
worked on one.  They're enough to make a grown man cry like a baby.  (Don't
ask me how I know!)

Dave


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From heaven@pogo.den.mmc.com Tue Oct 10 06:31 PDT 1995
Subject: Front Fairings


My race hawk has the Air Tech RVF750 front fairing which is low, wide
and looks kind of like a shovel nosed shark.  Kind of similar to the
916 fairing but not so many curves in the front.  Chafong used
to sell a mounting kit for it which attaches to the side frame
spars and one rod attached to the tapped holes in the front of
the steering head.  Maybe Craig will consider making some of the
parts that Chafong dropped.

Brian Heaven

N.E. Amateur Heavyweight Supertwins Champion
(Yes, I'm really happy.  Now if I can only get the cast off my
leg before Daytona)


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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Tue Oct 10 08:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline

Final notice:

Well, as there seem to be a fair number of Hawk freaks in the SF Bay Area,
and since it is rare for all of us to see each other, I decided to hold a
small get together.  You Tuesday Dinner Riders are invited too.  =)

Who:  Members of the Hawk GT and Ducati lists, BA Tuesday Dinner Ride List,
their motorcycles, and support crews (significant others? relatives? trusty
mechanix?).  Cages discouraged (we have modest parking difficulties due to
the heavy rains last winter), but not forbidden.

What:  A get together, gathering, good time, to-do.  BBQ coals, beer,
sodas, snax, views, tunz, etc. will be provided by the management.  BYO BBQ
goods, chit-chat, tall-tales, instruments-of-destruction, appetites, and
good-luck charms (Fri. 13th).

Where:  20555 Skyline Boulevard, in Woodside.  EXACTLY 6 miles (somewhat
more for Hawks?!?!  Never noticed...) south of Highway 84, which is the
intersection where Alice's Restaurant is located.  So, it's 280 to Hwy 84
(Woodside Road).  84 West to 35 (Skyline).  This will be your 2ND stop sign
after leaving 280, about 6-7 miles up 84.  Left (south) on Skyline for
exactly 6 miles.  Look for the flashing red dot on the mailbox on the left.
Take a left down the driveway, past the mailbox.  WARNING!  WARNING!
WARNING!  WARNING!  WARNING!  WARNING!  WARNING!  WARNING!  THE DRIVEWAY IS
LONG AND DIRT!  It sux!  BIG holes!  Gravel!  Take your time!  I recommend
staying to the left edge on the way down, right on the way back up.  We
have had 1 crash in the past, and it was a real bummer, so DON'T crash,
goddammit.  ALSO:  Highway 84 is also kinda crazy, if you've never been up
it.  Take your time.  Don't say I didn't warn ye.  Email me for alternate
route choice directions (from Santa Cruz, PageMill Road, Hawaii).

When:  1900 hours (that's 7:00 pm, for you civilians), sharp.  Well, not
really "sharp", but it's nice to get up there when the sun is setting.
Neato, keen.

Why:  Well, it has to do with the sheer craziness of dozens of motorcycles
zipping through the mountains on Friday the 13th.  Sort of a testing of the
superstition.  DON'T allow me to receive any unwanted superstitious
conditioning (ie. DON'T CRASH!).

How:  Slip into yer kevlar-armored, teflon-coated, impact-resistant,
fallout-proofed, vented (for comfort), color-coordinated riding
suit/boots/gloves, hop on yer machine of choice (I prefer...nah, can't say
it), grab a slab o' yer favorite grilling tidbit (I prefer beef, being a
"real person"), adopt a suitable attitude (brimming with vim? swerving with
verve?), and come on up.

WARNING:  There WILL be alcohol present, and as many of you will be riding
bikes, I ask that you carefully monitor your intake.  I WON'T be
responsible for your poor judgement, as I am hardly responsible enough for
my own.  For those who wish (dare?), there is AMPLE floor/camping/barn
space for the evening, and Alice's for breakfast on Saturday.

Hope to see you there!

Hugh




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From heaven@pogo.den.mmc.com Tue Oct 10 08:12 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Front Fairings


My fairing is not too much like a VFR750, as it is sloped too
drastically to accept a normal sized headlight.  Smaller headlights
would have to be installed to look right.

My hawk is my only race bike, and I kicked some Ducati butt this
season.  My bike is right on the money power wise and probably
suspension wise with my friends Duc 750 which has $10,000 in
aftermarket parts installed.  Bikes like the 851, 888 and 916 can
blow by on the straights, but in the amateur class I even beat 
some of these with rider skill/experience.  There is a certain 
satisfaction / smugness in winning against machines costing way
more than my $5000 bike.

So when you ride past those poser dudes with their expensive
red bikes you can snicker a little inside your helmet.

Brian Heaven


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From CLMartinCo@aol.com Tue Oct 10 08:22 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

In a message dated 95-10-04 21:29:27 EDT, you write:

>I think James has a valid point.  It's no fun to have to continually plan
>rides around gas stops rather than "logical" stopping points or scenic
>points.  It's also a pain to ride with friends who can easily last for
>well over 150 miles and have to drag them along to every gas station.
>Listening to their comments can get pretty old :-) Actually one of my
>riding friends has an Ascot that has an even shorter range than the Hawk. 
>I recommend that you ride with a person like this from time to time so
>that *you* can be the one who says, "Oh good grief!  Not _another_ gas
>stop!" 

Been there... Done that...  I don't have a Hawk GT (I ride a 88 CBR 1000) but
I can definately relate to planning around fuel stops.  Back when I was
riding a VTR 250, I bought a aluminium fuel bottle from a local camping store
(about 22oz.) and carried that as a reserve...reserve.

I just got back from a trip to Deal's Gap, NC and had a good bit of luck with
the bottle.  On the interstate, I would always run out before my friends (who
trailer'd their bikes.)  So I'd pull into rest stops and dump it in. (or top
off the tank when everyone else had to stop for someother reason.)

On another note...my max range is a lot shorter than the bike's... About
every two hours (120~130 miles) I've got to get off for a little while.

Curt Martin
Ormond Beach, FL
87,88,89 CBR 600s, 88 CBR 1000 (Nope- No Hawk yet..but still looking)


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From CLMartinCo@aol.com Tue Oct 10 08:22 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: I am a wimp

In a message dated 95-10-07 10:12:26 EDT, jleung@indirect.com writes:

>I am 5'8" 155lbs and in pretty good shape,
>BUT I CAN'T GET MY HAWK ON THE CENTER STAND!
>Could any tell me what is wrong with my technique?
>It is the same one I used for my old GPz,
>I stand on the protruded centerstand area and
>pull back on the handlebars. Did I forget to say please?

I reach under the tail section and pull up while doing the same thing you
described...If it works for a CBR 1000, it should work on a Hawk. (Are you
trying to do this while on the bike or off to one side?)

Curt Martin

87,88,89 CBR 600s, 88 CBR 1000 (Sorry, No Hawk yet...but still looking)


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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Tue Oct 10 09:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:  Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline

[Jim Franklin wrote:]
>Um, the sun is set by 7:00. Hell, it's almost dark by then. Or
>is it high enough that the sun is still up?
>
>jim

Hehe.  Good eye.  When I wrote this (a few weeks ago) the sun was still up
at 7pm.  Well, now maybe the moon will be instead.  Feel free to come
earlier, as I will be there from 3pm on...

Same goes for the rest of you...come up after work, 3pm or later.  Or wait
till dark if you need to. <----Leveroni, and all others afflicted with his
'disease'.

Hugh
P.S. -- Call me if you get lost...415-851-9602 (home)




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From JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Tue Oct 10 09:45 PDT 1995

11: 39:00 EDT, Brian writes:
Apparently-To: hawkgt@dsea.com
Content-Type: text
Content-Length: 1383
Status: RO

>There is a certain >satisfaction / smugness in winning against machines
costing way
>more than my $5000 bike.
>
>So when you ride past those poser dudes with their expensive red bikes you
can >snicker a little inside your helmet.

I'm not a racer (I guess I'm an over-the-hill wanabe), but I too have
experienced the same sort of interhelmet smugness when I had no trouble
handling Ducatis and several other hi-buck sport machines when I rode my Hawk
at Pridmore's CLASS at Road Atlanta a few years back (of course, there was
that guy on the CBR 600 . . . ).  I've even had the pleasure of gliding by a
few squids on Ninjas of various displacement in the mountains while on my
PC-800.  And I most recently felt it when I got by that 900RR during the
rider school I attended over Labor Day weekend at Hallett in OK (I was on Sam
MacDonald's YZF600R at the time, but I think I could have done it on my Hawk
had it been there).

I guess the point it that riding skill and experience are really more
important than hardware, at least until you reach the limits of your
machine's ability.  Perhaps that's why I'm reluctant to spend much money
modifying my Hawk.  Even stock, it is much more motorcycle than I can use to
full advantage given my current skills, especially on the street.  I hope to
get better; maybe then I'll feel the need to improve on an already excellent
machine.
JT 


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From jel@walker.com Tue Oct 10 10:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Re[2]: Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline


Hugh wrote:
     
>Same goes for the rest of you...come up after work, 3pm or later.  Or wait 
>till dark if you need to. <----Leveroni, and all others afflicted with his 
>'disease'.
     
Hey Hugh,

I'm sorry I won't be able to make this shindig due to previous plans --
there's a blood-letting that I must attend.  ;-)   I'm disappointed that
I won't get to see Hawkenstein just yet.

Jeff

BTW- If any of you are convinced that I'm completely off my rocker, well,
I am.  But that's beside the point.  Just ask Hugh or Mike Nielsen -- they
have actually met me and can vouch that evolution has, in fact, deposited
me right along with the rest of you homo sapiens on the evolution time line,
albeit at a slightly different level...above, I think...on the humor
evolution time line.  Don't worry, I'll help you all catch up.  ;-)



     
     



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From CABethel@aol.com Tue Oct 10 11:17 PDT 1995
Subject: CBR 1000 Bars

Has anyone installed post-1990 CBR 1000 handlebars on the Hawk? Does anything
hit the tank at full lock? Can the stock cables and brake line be used? Any
info would be appreciated.

Charles


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Oct 10 12:43 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Party?  Friday, October 13th (when else?), Skyline

> 
> 
> Hugh wrote:
>      
> >Same goes for the rest of you...come up after work, 3pm or later.  Or wait 
> >till dark if you need to. <----Leveroni, and all others afflicted with his 
> >'disease'.
>      
> Hey Hugh,
> 
> I'm sorry I won't be able to make this shindig due to previous plans --
> there's a blood-letting that I must attend.  ;-)   I'm disappointed that
> I won't get to see Hawkenstein just yet.

Bummer!!!!!  Show up late!!!  I won't even be there until 8pm, and I'm
driving down from RENO for this event (well, it just happens to coincide
with a conference I have to attend in SF the following day ;-). 

> BTW- If any of you are convinced that I'm completely off my rocker, well,
> I am.  But that's beside the point.  Just ask Hugh or Mike Nielsen -- they
> have actually met me and can vouch that evolution has, in fact, deposited
> me right along with the rest of you homo sapiens on the evolution time line,
> albeit at a slightly different level...above, I think...on the humor
> evolution time line.  Don't worry, I'll help you all catch up.  ;-)

Yup, he's tellin the truth: he is human.  I saw it with my own eyes, too.
Walking on two legs, using his mouth to speak in recognizable english,
etc.  True bi-ped 'Merican, he is.

But!  His argument on evolution would make even ME start to believe in
Adam and Eve... ;-)




-Mike


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From rzimdars@camtronics.com Tue Oct 10 14:07 PDT 1995
Subject: near-classic Honda for sale

     
     A colleague of mine is offering his 1976 Honda CB550 for sale. This 
     bronze bike comes complete with a Vetter fairing and Kerker exhaust. 
     Anyone looking for a second/spouse bike ? The bike's in really good 
     shape, 12,300 miles and he's asking $725 but willing to haggle a bit. 
     Give him (Mike) a call at (414)662-0174 evenings if you're interested.
     
     I know this isn't a Hawk issue, hope nobody minds.
     
     RobbZ
     '88 Hawk GT
     '90 Katana 1100
     rzimdars@camtronics.com



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From alan@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu Tue Oct 10 14:39 PDT 1995
Subject: Left Side Exhaust ???

I need information about left side exhausts.  A friend of mine has just
recently bought a Hawk and has asked me about the left side exhausts.  The
only two I know of are the Dale Walker and the TBR.  All I know about the
Dale Walker pipe was from those 2"x2" ads in the back of magazines.  I know
less about the TBR.  Regardless of which pipe he buys it will be matched to
a Factory jet kit.  
How do the two compare to each other.  Does either pipe scrape at extreme
lean angles?  Does the TBR pipe have the oval canister?  How much does the
TBR one cost? How much hp/torque can one expect to gain/lose at any given
rpm.  

Craig?  How does your newer left side exhaust compare to your right side
exhaust? 

Thanks

Alan



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From rzimdars@camtronics.com Tue Oct 10 15:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???

     I've seen those ads too. What I haven't seen/heard is any 
     justification for running a longer, more restrictive (more bends) 
     system. Is this simply a cosmetic "improvement"?
     
     I can understand the merits of such a system in a highly competitive 
     endurance racing situation; a team might save a few seconds while 
     replacing the rear wheel. Is that it? I'm all for freedom of choice, 
     but if adding weight, complicating chain access and restricting 
     breathing are your goals, I have a stock system I'll sell for half the 
     price of a Vortex!
     
     RobbZ
     rzimdars@camtronics.com


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Left Side Exhaust ???
Author:  alan@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu at internet
Date:    10/10/95 4:53 PM


I need information about left side exhausts.  A friend of mine has just 
recently bought a Hawk and has asked me about the left side exhausts.  The 
only two I know of are the Dale Walker and the TBR.  All I know about the 
Dale Walker pipe was from those 2"x2" ads in the back of magazines.  I know 
less about the TBR.  Regardless of which pipe he buys it will be matched to 
a Factory jet kit.  
How do the two compare to each other.  Does either pipe scrape at extreme 
lean angles?  Does the TBR pipe have the oval canister?  How much does the 
TBR one cost? How much hp/torque can one expect to gain/lose at any given 
rpm.  
     
Craig?  How does your newer left side exhaust compare to your right side 
exhaust? 
     
Thanks
     
Alan
     



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From Phil_Calvin@unc.edu Tue Oct 10 15:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???

>     I've seen those ads too. What I haven't seen/heard is any
>     justification for running a longer, more restrictive (more bends)
>     system. Is this simply a cosmetic "improvement"?

Hey, who ever said pose value didn't have it's place?

>     I can understand the merits of such a system in a highly competitive
>     endurance racing situation; a team might save a few seconds while
>     replacing the rear wheel. Is that it? I'm all for freedom of choice,
>     but if adding weight, complicating chain access and restricting
>     breathing are your goals, I have a stock system I'll sell for half the
>     price of a Vortex!

The TBR one is $400.  It is probably not much more restrictive if at all.
Though it has a bit tighter turn around the swingarm, the canister is
smaller.

What's the scoop here, Craig?  How do the dyno runs look?  Are they
identical for the same bike with the two pipes?


Phil Calvin                                             DoD #242   '91 HawkGT
http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/ 




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From cfaison@magpage.com Tue Oct 10 16:23 PDT 1995
Subject: parts

I'm still Hawk shopping, I have 2 in mind, both are way cheap, but the deals
seem to be slow in unfolding. (or I'm just too damn impatient!)

Anyway, I'll be in the market for a pipe, jet kit, bodywork, F2 front end, etc.
If anyone has this stuff and they want to part with it, please let me know
before I go buy it new...

Thanks
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Craig D. Faison                          phone 302.325.5737
Kodak Imaging Services                   fax 302.322.2233
259 Quigley Blvd., Suite E               Email cfaison@magpage.com
New Castle, DE 19720                     http://www.magpage.com/~cfaison/
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From SALUT@aol.com Tue Oct 10 17:02 PDT 1995
Subject: CBR1000F, anyone-anyone???

Hello gentlemen Hawkers.

I am looking for a CBR1000F (92-95), Low miles preferably, good condition
obviously.  I have tried the dealerships but those $%^%$^$#^$%#@!^!&, excuse
my French, are not willing to deal. I live in the San Fernando Valley in
Southern California.

Thank you in advance to any and all responses.

Merci >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SALUT...


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From DFJL@aol.com Tue Oct 10 20:59 PDT 1995
Subject: RS250 Okumura susp. ?

Hey, maybe this isn't exactly news to some of you, but has anyone seen an
RS250 with a 'Okumura special suspension ?  I just have been looking thru
American Roadracing Sept. issue, and there is a photo ad showing one for
sale.
A surprise to me is the rear single-sided swinger - but reverse of the Hawk !
You guys upstate NY must've seen this Great Lakes champion. Anyone know more
about the bike ?  Is this RS250 normally single sided rear ?

A curiosity ?

Dave



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From GTRider9@aol.com Tue Oct 10 21:24 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Request for into

In a message dated 95-10-10 11:14:28 EDT, 102136.3317@compuserve.com (Mark M.
Hatten) writes:

> (is there anyone on
>this list besides me that CAN'T do a stoppie?)

Actually, it's not that hard to do "A" stoppie, the tricky part is getting to
the point where you can do MORE than one--on the same bike that is.  I did a
heck of a stoppie on my mountain bike the other day--20-odd stitches and $500
bucks worth!

Dave


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From tbrking@twobros.com Tue Oct 10 21:46 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???

At 11:48 AM 10/10/95, alan@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu wrote:
>I need information about left side exhausts.  A friend of mine has just
>recently bought a Hawk and has asked me about the left side exhausts.  The
>only two I know of are the Dale Walker and the TBR.  All I know about the
>Dale Walker pipe was from those 2"x2" ads in the back of magazines.  I know
>less about the TBR.  Regardless of which pipe he buys it will be matched to
>a Factory jet kit.


>How do the two compare to each other.

There is little to compare. Ours is a full system using our race proven
header pipes. Walker's is a slip-on which utilizes the stock small
diameter, right side ground scraping head pipes.

>Does either pipe scrape at extreme lean angles?<

I don't recommend our left side system for racing. I can't speak for
Walkers but it would aappear to double as a new type of fixed extended side
stand.


>  Does the TBR pipe have the oval canister?<

Yes

>How much does the TBR one cost?<

$399.98 with round canister and $419.98 with the C-2 (oval) canister.

>How much hp/torque can one expect to gain/lose at any given rpm.<

About 10-12hp peak with the Factory Conf.10 jet kit. Very strong midrange
gains too.

>Craig?  How does your newer left side exhaust compare to your right side
>exhaust?

Right side has a longer canister, 18" as compared to the left's 14" so it's
a bit more quiet. Unlimited ground clearance on the right as compared to
slightly restricted clearance on the left.

Thanks Alan.


   Craig




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From jleung@indirect.com Tue Oct 10 22:31 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Rear Turn Signals

>In a message dated 95-10-09 21:31:27 EDT, you write:
>
>>I am using SAUB side markers, they look great, small smooth, clean. REALLY
>>expensive. check this out next time you see a Saub sitting around. 
>>
>>
>
>What the hell is a SAUB ?
>
>Dave
>
>

I think he might mean SAAB, as in SAAB 900 turbo. It's one of those
strange contraptions that are somehow able to move despite having
two extra wheels =)

Jim



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From DFJL@aol.com Wed Oct 11 01:17 PDT 1995
Subject: 'Okumura Susp' RS250 ?



Hey, maybe this isn't exactly news to some of you, but has anyone seen an
RS250 with a 'Okumura special suspension ?  I just have been looking thru
American Roadracing Sept. issue, and there is a photo ad showing one for
sale.
A surprise to me is the rear single-sided swinger - but reverse of the Hawk !
You guys upstate NY must've seen this Great Lakes champion. Anyone know more
about the bike ?  Is this RS250 normally single sided rear ?

A curiosity ?

Dave




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From Chris_Friesen@NeXT.COM Wed Oct 11 01:49 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Rear Turn Signals


>>I am using SAUB side markers, they look great, small
>> smooth, clean. REALLY
>>expensive. check this out next
>>time you see a Saub sitting around.

>  I think he might mean SAAB, as in SAAB 900 turbo. It's
>  one of those strange contraptions that are somehow able
>  to move despite having two extra wheels =)
>
>  Jim
>

T..T.T.T..TURBO!!!!!!!

I just bought a used SAAB 900 Turbo, now I don't miss riding the  
Hawk as much when I'm in the cage... Wonder what the SAAB would look  
like with the Hawk light stalks? ;)

-chris


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From DFJL@aol.com Wed Oct 11 05:57 PDT 1995
Subject: rs250

Hey, maybe this isn't exactly news to some of you, but has anyone seen an
RS250 with a 'Okumura special suspension ?  I just have been looking thru
American Roadracing Sept. issue, and there is a photo ad showing one for
sale.
A surprise to me is the rear single-sided swinger - but reverse of the Hawk !
You guys upstate NY must've seen this Great Lakes champion. Anyone know more
about the bike ?  Is this RS250 normally single sided rear ?

A curiosity ?

Dave


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From SASHA@ndi.org Wed Oct 11 06:13 PDT 1995
Subject:  Re: Request for into -Reply



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In a message dated 95-10-10 11:14:28 EDT,
102136.3317@compuserve.com (Mark M.
Hatten) writes:

> (is there anyone on
>this list besides me that CAN'T do a stoppie?)

Actually, it's not that hard to do "A" stoppie, the tricky part is getting to
the point where you can do MORE than one--on the same bike that is.  I
did a heck of a stoppie on my mountain bike the other day--20-odd
stitches and $500 bucks worth!

Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

actually i have a question:
how easy do people find it to do stoppies _while still moving_ on the
hawk?
  i have the stock brake lines and MEzs and can do the full stop kind to a
fairly good height depending on my nerve that particular day.
any thoughts?

(not to start (yet) another stoppie thread)

-S
88 bleu 



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From cfaison@magpage.com Wed Oct 11 07:06 PDT 1995
Subject: East Coast Party

OK, I'm still thinking about having a party. Halloween I suppose. Please
respond ASAP if you would be interested in attending, and please let me know
how many plan to attend. I am in Ridley Park, just south of Philadelphia.
10-27 looks like the date...
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Craig D. Faison                          phone 302.325.5737
Kodak Imaging Services                   fax 302.322.2233
259 Quigley Blvd., Suite E               Email cfaison@magpage.com
New Castle, DE 19720                     http://www.magpage.com/~cfaison/
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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Oct 11 07:25 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: East Coast Party

> To: hawkgt@dsea.com
> Subject: East Coast Party
> 
> OK, I'm still thinking about having a party. Halloween I suppose. Please
> respond ASAP if you would be interested in attending, and please let me know
> how many plan to attend. I am in Ridley Park, just south of Philadelphia.
> 10-27 looks like the date...

Sorry Craig, can't make it.

Did you sell the RZ?  I found another Hawk, and couldn't say no.  I'm 
still trying to decide what to do with it though, and I'm still having a 
two-stroke anxiety complex.  Maybe I should stuff a CR500 into the Hawk 
frame?

Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242



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From goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us Wed Oct 11 08:25 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:CR500 Hawk

On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Phil Calvin wrote:

> Did you sell the RZ?  I found another Hawk, and couldn't say no.  I'm 
> still trying to decide what to do with it though, and I'm still having a 
> two-stroke anxiety complex.  Maybe I should stuff a CR500 into the Hawk 
> frame?
> 
> Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242

DO IT DO IT DO IT! Then report to us. Personally it sounds like it would
make a good track bike.


Matt/OH                            goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us
89 Hawk GT (street)                76025.1535@compuserve.com
89 EX 500  (racebike)




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From stuart_hayashida@smtpgwy.centre.com Wed Oct 11 08:39 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk Mods.

I was browsing one of the Hawk pages the other night and came across a posting 
from Doug Wiebe from January of this year.  He said he spoke with Kevin Erion at
the SF Motor Show and his recommendations on mods (for novice AFM racing) were 
as follows:

1. Have Lindemann rework the forks- F2 swap much more expensive, heavier, and 
only marginally better.  (I would assume the Emulators would be an option here).

2. Get a Fox shock.  Per Kevin, in his experience, Fox and Ohlins are equal from
a quality standpoint so save the extra money over the Ohlins.  He doesn't 
recommend any other shock.

3. Go with the Kosman front wheel mod to 3.5".  (and fit better rubber)

4. Steel braided front brake lines.

5. Pipe and jetting kit (no particular brand mentioned, sorry Craig...).

6. Higher pegs (if needed).

Just remember, I'm quoting here.  I bought my '89 (red) in January of this year 
for $2500 (6600 miles) and it came with a Muzzy collector fitted to the stock 
headpipes using a Lockhart Carbon slip-on, a jet kit (origin unknown), and 
Progressive springs.  Runs well with no flat spots but I think it's rich.  
Rarely require choke, and I had to go one heat range hotter on the plugs to 
avoid fouling during warmup.  Someday when I have time I'll pull the carbs to 
see what's in there.  I'm considering the SuperTrapp internal disk slip-on to 
replace the Lockhart since it's louder than I'd prefer.  Anyone try this yet?  
I've also fitted Michelin 89Xs (110/80 and 160/60, the recommended sizes) and 
think they're great.  So far, 3500 miles with almost no noticeable wear and they
stick very well.  No other nods so far...

Stuart


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From goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us Wed Oct 11 08:43 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Left Side Exhaust ???

Craig said:

> I don't recommend our left side system for racing. I can't speak for
> Walkers but it would aappear to double as a new type of fixed extended side
> stand.

LOL!!

FWIW, A local shop that has a dyno has installed and tested a Dale Walker
pipe. Midrange power was increased DRAMATICALLY. As much as 10+ HP through
the lower midrange. Topend, however, was about the same as stock (about 48
HP). 

Matt/OH                            goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us
89 Hawk GT (street)                76025.1535@compuserve.com
89 EX 500  (racebike)




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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Oct 11 09:34 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:CR500 Hawk

> > Did you sell the RZ?  I found another Hawk, and couldn't say no.  I'm 
> > still trying to decide what to do with it though, and I'm still having a 
> > two-stroke anxiety complex.  Maybe I should stuff a CR500 into the Hawk 
> > frame?
> > 
> > Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242
> 
> DO IT DO IT DO IT! Then report to us. Personally it sounds like it would
> make a good track bike.

I would if a) I had a CR500 or KX500 engine to play with 
           b) the engine in the race-hawk were toasted already
           c) I had more cash

I read something from Rob Tuluie (sp?) about his Tul-Da bike, which if 
you're not familiar with it, is a CR500 racebike with a frame that he 
designed and built himself from chrome-moly tubing.  He looked at using a 
Hawk frame for it, but as I recall, he decided that it would be difficult 
to get the weight balance correct and still maintain the countershaft 
sprocket in the correct location.  

Still, I think it'd be a great project to try, especially if I had a tig 
welder.  Maybe next winter.  

Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242



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From Kenneth.Lawas@analog.com Wed Oct 11 10:38 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Hawk Mods.


> 2. Get a Fox shock.  Per Kevin, in his experience, Fox and Ohlins are
> equal from a quality standpoint so save the extra money over the
> Ohlins.  He doesn't recommend any other shock.

  I've heard they were equal from a performance standpoint, but the
  Ohlins uses a cast aluminum seat and the Fox shock is machined?

  -Ken


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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Wed Oct 11 10:39 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Hawk Mods.

>2. Get a Fox shock.  Per Kevin, in his experience, Fox and Ohlins are equal
from
>a quality standpoint so save the extra money over the Ohlins.  He doesn't 
>recommend any other shock.

I like mine.  Still trying to dial it in, though.  It felt a little soft
initially so I'm now trying the compression damping at 6 (of 8, I weigh 185lbs).
If anyone else has found some good settings for their Fox, let me know (include 
your weight!).

>3. Go with the Kosman front wheel mod to 3.5".  (and fit better rubber)

Used f2 may be cheaper, takes Hawk rotor?

>4. Steel braided front brake lines.

Very nice, definately worthwhile and anyone can do it.

>6. Higher pegs (if needed).

Hard to imagine on the street, then again I don't live in the mountains.

>I'm considering the SuperTrapp internal disk slip-on to 
>replace the Lockhart since it's louder than I'd prefer.  Anyone try this yet?  

I have the standard Supertrapp and it is quite loud, even with only 6 disks.  
I imagine the internal disk version would be quieter, at least to the rider,
because of the tip.  Can anyone confirm this?  Is it possible to convert the 
old style to the internal disk?  Also, how do you get the damn thing apart to
repack it?  

David Mackintosh        '92 Sovereign   '95 Moda   '82 245 Turbo   '89 Hawk GT
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil    Germantown, MD, USA    WVC #M141       DoD #1360



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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Wed Oct 11 10:41 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:CR500 Hawk

> 
> On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Phil Calvin wrote:
> 
> > Did you sell the RZ?  I found another Hawk, and couldn't say no.  I'm 
> > still trying to decide what to do with it though, and I'm still having a 
> > two-stroke anxiety complex.  Maybe I should stuff a CR500 into the Hawk 
> > frame?
> > 
> > Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242
> 
> DO IT DO IT DO IT! Then report to us. Personally it sounds like it would
> make a good track bike.
> 

I was going to do this, but there were a few problems:

1) The coutershaft would be in an odd spot, and in order to get a chain
on it, it'd have to be something like 130 links and lots of sliders and
rollers.

2) COuldn't find a CR500 engine

3) (help me out here, AFMers)  The AFM doesn't have a class for 2-stroke
singles.  They have other classes where I think it would be allowed to
run, but I have no idea as to how competitive a CR500 based Hawk would
be against, say, RGV500s. ;-)

Anyone else out there have any idea on the AFM rules for 2-smoke singles?


-Mike

--
Mike Nielsen       e: greaney@unr.edu       v: 702.784.4752


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From jmonberg@microsoft.com Wed Oct 11 12:34 PDT 1995
Subject: Right side peg assembly? and a subscription




Hey hawksters --

First of all please renew my subscription from jmonberg@dartmouth.edu =

to jmonberg@microsoft.com.

Does anyone out there have a stock right side footpeg assembly they =

aren't using? I know some of you have gone the rear-set route and if =

completely replaced the stocker I *need* it. Please let me know about =

availability and price.

Thanks much!

Jamie

Jamie Monberg // jmonberg@microsoft.com
=9188 Hawk, grau // DHOG #002





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From mbateman@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us Thu Oct 12 13:23 PDT 1995
Subject: List subscription

Please add my name to the subscription list

mbateman@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us  (Michael Bateman)

'88 Hawk

Thanks!


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From stuart_hayashida@smtpgwy.centre.com Thu Oct 12 15:34 PDT 1995
Subject: Chain Adjustment

Question- Does everyone adjust their chain according to the gauge supplied in 
the tool kit?  Accoring to the shop manual, the chain is in adjustment when the 
top of the chain is between the "A" and the "B" (while pushing down on it), with
the gauge positioned at the arrow on the swingarm and with the bike on the 
centerstand.  I've been checking my chain over the last 3700 miles and it's 
still between those lines, but seems slightly loose to me.  

If you don't use the gauge, what do you use?  Thanks.

Stuart


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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Thu Oct 12 16:03 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Adjustment

> Subject: Chain Adjustment
> 
> Question- Does everyone adjust their chain according to the gauge supplied in 
> the tool kit?  Accoring to the shop manual, the chain is in adjustment when the 
> top of the chain is between the "A" and the "B" (while pushing down on it), with
> the gauge positioned at the arrow on the swingarm and with the bike on the 
> centerstand.  I've been checking my chain over the last 3700 miles and it's 
> still between those lines, but seems slightly loose to me.  
> 
> If you don't use the gauge, what do you use?  Thanks.

I have used the manual and the "tool".  "Tool" is a stretch 
semantically, IMHO.

But someone on the list a while back mentioned that the chain is actually 
a little too tight when it's at the tightest (mark A?) allowable 
setting.  The chain apparently is tighter when the suspension is 
compressed partway.

Slightly on topic:  My Hawk is starting to make a sound under engine 
decelleration that sounds like the chain is rubbing on some aluminum.  
Anyone else have this happen?  It's probably the plastic chain guard on 
the swingarm that's worn out.  I need to check it.

Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242
http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/



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From <@gaudi.CSUFresno.EDU:tdp11@lennon.pub.csufresno.edu> Thu Oct 12 16:25 PDT 1995
Subject: more chain adj. stuff

Since the topic of chain adjustment has come up...Does anyone have some 
pointers on how to check when you dont have a center stand?
thanks,
todd


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Thu Oct 12 16:44 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: more chain adj. stuff

> 
> Since the topic of chain adjustment has come up...Does anyone have some 
> pointers on how to check when you dont have a center stand?

Hehe, had to do this on my Gixer once:

Get a jack and a piece of wood.  PLace the jack/wood under the engine,
and with the sidestand down, jack up the bike until the rear end rises
(just until it's no longer touching the ground).

Be careful - I almost lost the Susucky once doing this.  Also, you
may want to have a friend around to give you a hand _just in case_.

Cya,

Mike


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From CHIROBE@minna.acc.iit.edu Thu Oct 12 17:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Adjustment

I've had the same thing happen. I think the chain may have been dirty and 
was sticking. After cleaning it with some WD-40 and lubing it, the sound 
went away.
 
> Slightly on topic:  My Hawk is starting to make a sound under engine 
> decelleration that sounds like the chain is rubbing on some aluminum.  
> Anyone else have this happen?  It's probably the plastic chain guard on 
> the swingarm that's worn out.  I need to check it.
> 
> Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242
> http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/
> 
> 


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From ehofmann@freenet.vcu.edu Thu Oct 12 17:34 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Fender...eliminated!



>Next we'll go after those HUGE rear turn signals (any suggestions?)

I just did this yesterday. I took the rear signals completely
off, disconnecting wires under the seat. I unscrewed the
plastic lights from the rubber stalks and cut the stalks at the
first rib (making the stalks about 1/2" instead of 3").
I used a hack saw for this. Then I found 2 bolts and
nuts that fit in the hole the wire was original  in (in the stalk).
Then routed the wires through a small previously unused hole (a
tight fit). Then bolted it all back up. 
I think this looks a lot cleaner.

Time: 1 hour to decide what to do, 1/2 to do it.

Cost: $0.00, I had some bolts that fit.

Disclaimer: Make sure you want to do this before cutting the
stalks ;)

Ed Hofmann
89 Red


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From jleung@indirect.com Thu Oct 12 18:38 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: I am a wimp

Thanks for all the input,
        I am now prod to say that I can get it up ;-)

Jim
    oooo   oooo
   o    o o    o
   o   Mo o   Mo     God Loves YOU!!!
   o    o o    o
    oooo   oooo          Jimmy Leung
   /           \
  |  \       /  |
  | O \_____/  O|   "Pray also for me, that whever I open my mouth, word may be 
   \___     ___/      given me so that I will fearlesly make known the
mystery of
       ->-<-          the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains.
Pray that
                      I may declare it fearlessly, as I should."
                               -- Ephesians 6:19-20
   



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From wroof@ns1.netside.com Thu Oct 12 19:53 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Adjustment

>Question- Does everyone adjust their chain according to the gauge supplied in 
>the tool kit?  Accoring to the shop manual, the chain is in adjustment when
the 

        You can generally eyeball it about as well.

>centerstand.  I've been checking my chain over the last 3700 miles and it's 
>still between those lines, but seems slightly loose to me.  

        Could be your chain is worn. If you've adjusted it to the "right"
amount of slack, try to pull the chain off the sprocket; if you can see
daylight, the chain is kaput. How many miles are on your chain?


Dave Roof                "Life imitates art -- but badly."  Edward Abbey

wroof@mail.netside.com  w.roof@genie.geis.com [Yane]  '85 BMW K100RT [Waltraude]
West Columbia SC  BMWMOA 68743  HRCA  Conebutt        '88 Honda Hawk [Jason]
IBMWR Principal Euphonium



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From JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Thu Oct 12 20:15 PDT 1995
Subject: Two Brothers Pipe for Sale

An acquaintence of mine at the local Honda shop has a Hawk but no computer.
 We happen to be talking the other day, and it turns out that he wants to go
to the left-side TBR pipe.  Consequently, he is looking to dispose of his
right-side TBR pipe which is only a few months old.  I think he wants about
$250 for it, and he says he would be willing to throw in a center stand that
he has modified to work with the pipe.

If anyone is interested, you can contact him directly at the shop (9am-5pm,
Mon-Sat):
           Allen Dunaway
           Mid-South Honda (Suzuki, Yamaha, Tigershark, . . . )
           2092 New Ashland City Road
           Clarksville, TN 37043
           (615) 552-2205

JT


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From JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Thu Oct 12 20:35 PDT 1995
Subject: K&N Filter

I think I've heard it said on the list that K&N makes a replacement Hawk air
filter that fits into the stock airbox.  I checked at my local dealer, and
all that they could find in their catelog was one for the NTV650 (Reviere).
 Is this the one that fits our Hawks?  If so, what do they cost? 

JT 


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From DFJL@aol.com Thu Oct 12 22:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Alternate rear blinker stems

FWIW, I've replaced the stems on my rear blinkers with the stems from a VF500
Intercepter front set. The look is the same, but the stem is an inch shorter.
 The base gasket is also removed and not used, so you gain another 1/4 inch
there. Use the small plate from the stock setup, just reverse it.  Use the
nuts  for the VF500 too, or just go to a local Nutty Company store ( they're
metric ).

The VF500 front is the shortest Honda stem with this shape.  I've used them
on all my older bikes to achieve the same effect.  You can find them cheap
thru any local breaker or via several used parts mail-order places.

Bring your old one when you go to check it out, since they do mount different
( only the Hawk uses the gasket with an oval hole and a small plate.  All the
others used two holes.

BTW, I did this on my '88, other years may be different.    Anyone ?  Anyone
?

Dave


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From kaj@ix.netcom.com Thu Oct 12 22:34 PDT 1995
Subject: Brake calipers

    I want to get 6 piston calipers for my bike, a Hawk and an MZ 
Skorpion. Does anyone have experience with the Yamaha YZF/FZR or Suzuki 
GSXR? Will they, with the appropriate mounting brackets, fit the hawk 
sized disks? I have to admit that it is more for appearance than 
performance, but I won't accept anything that doesn't work at least as 
well as the stock set-up.

                        Thanks

                                        Karl J


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From peyelvin@unity.ncsu.edu Thu Oct 12 22:38 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk GT Mailing list

Hawk enthuasiast,
	My name is Paul and I live in Raleigh, NC.  I am a student at NCSU and
am looking to buy my first bike. I have pretty much decided that a Hawk is what
I want to get so I would appreciate any info you have on them. Please put me on
the mailing list.  My e-mail adress is peyelvin@eos.ncsu.edu. Thank you very
much and I'm sorry this letter is so short but college life is damn busy.


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From ddc10@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 23:56 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: CBR 1000 Bars

On Tue, 10 Oct 1995 CABethel@aol.com wrote:

> Has anyone installed post-1990 CBR 1000 handlebars on the Hawk? Does anything
> hit the tank at full lock? Can the stock cables and brake line be used? Any
> info would be appreciated.
> 
> Charles
> 
Well, my bars are a 1991 CBR1000F, and nothing poses a problem.

DDC



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From lawrence.james@mayo.edu Fri Oct 13 08:03 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Adjustment


>
>Slightly on topic:  My Hawk is starting to make a sound under engine 
>decelleration that sounds like the chain is rubbing on some aluminum.  
>Anyone else have this happen?  It's probably the plastic chain guard on 
>the swingarm that's worn out.  I need to check it.
>
>Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242
>http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/

Yes, mine is doing this exact same thing.  I checked the chain last night,
and it is fine but I did not check the chain guard.  I will do that asap
(ie tonight.).  If it matters, I have an 89 with only 3300 on the odometer.

Jim Lawrence




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From SASHA@ndi.org Fri Oct 13 08:10 PDT 1995
Subject:  Re: Chain Adjustment -Reply

>>>.
I've had the same thing happen. I think the chain may have been dirty and
 was sticking. After cleaning it with some WD-40 and lubing it, the sound 
went away.
  > Slightly on topic:  My Hawk is starting to make a sound under engine 
> decelleration that sounds like the chain is rubbing on some aluminum.  
> Anyone else have this happen?  It's probably the plastic chain guard on
 > the swingarm that's worn out.  I need to check it.
>  > Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242
> http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/
>  > 
>>>>

what's the "official" word on WD-40 and o-ring chains?
does the WD degrade the o-rings?

-S
88 bleu, DHOG#001



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From stuart_hayashida@smtpgwy.centre.com Fri Oct 13 08:18 PDT 1995
Subject: Re[2]: Chain Adjustment

I thoroughly checked mine last night, taking off the cover over the countershaft
sprocket.  I can't find a thing wrong with any of the guides, and can't see 
where it is rubbing.  There's the one on top of the swingarm, one along the 
bottom, and another just above the sidestand bracket.  I also can't see any 
telltale damage or scuffing on the outside of the chain.  I'm stumped frankly.  
Is it possible it's not the chain?  Suggestions on where else to check?

Stuart


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Chain Adjustment
Author:  lawrence.james@mayo.edu (Jim Lawrence) at Internet-Mail
Date:    10/13/95 8:17 AM


>
>Slightly on topic:  My Hawk is starting to make a sound under engine 
>decelleration that sounds like the chain is rubbing on some aluminum.  
>Anyone else have this happen?  It's probably the plastic chain guard on 
>the swingarm that's worn out.  I need to check it.
>
>Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242 
>http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/

Yes, mine is doing this exact same thing.  I checked the chain last night, 
and it is fine but I did not check the chain guard.  I will do that asap 
(ie tonight.).  If it matters, I have an 89 with only 3300 on the odometer.

Jim Lawrence





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From jel@walker.com Fri Oct 13 08:37 PDT 1995
Subject: O-rings and WD-40


     
>what's the "official" word on WD-40 and o-ring chains? 
>does the WD degrade the o-rings?

>From the Nov. '95 issue of Cycle World magazine...

Someone asked the following questions and got the
following responses:

Q. Does an o-ring chain require chain lube?
Q. Will chain lube help more than make a mess?

A. One simple answer, a) No; and b) No.  O-ring chains
do not require the same kind of lubrication as 
conventional chains.  The critical internal friction
areas are packed with lubricant during manufacture, and 
the o-rings are there to keep the lube in and the dirt
out.  But in practive, o-ring chains enjoy a longer life 
if they're occasionally sprayed with a water-dispersing 
lubricant such as WD-40.  Lubes of this type prevent the 
chain from rusting after it makes contact with water; 
and because they aren't sticky like conventional chain 
lubes, they don't attract dirt and grit that can grind 
the o-rings to pieces.


So, there it is folks.  As I have stated in the past, I
do not lube my o-ring chain.  In fact, I will 
occasionally spray WD-40 on a rag to wipe down the dirt
from the chain (rather than soaking the chain itself 
with the WD-40).  To date, i have no unusual wear from 
this practice and neither to any of my friends.  My rear
wheel stays _alot_ cleaner too!

Jeff


     
     



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From CABethel@aol.com Fri Oct 13 09:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: O-rings and WD-40

My experience reinforces what Jeff says: I was for many years a heavy chain
lube user, but 3 or so years ago switched to WD-40 and occasional
applications of Chain Wax. I currently have four O-ring chain drive bikes,
one of which (the "control group" I guess) I bought new in 1980. I haven't
noticed any accelerated wear on any of the bikes from the change. I don't
apply the Chain Wax frequently enough to affect this result, and now do so
only rarely. FWIW.
Charles Bethel


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From SASHA@ndi.org Fri Oct 13 09:36 PDT 1995
Subject:  O-rings and WD-40 -Reply

 Fine.  I am willing to accept this...esp b/c WD-40 is much cheaper/useful
than chainwax.  
but why then does the o-ring chain come waxed, and it recommends
waxing every 300 mi on the box (DID)?
-Sasha

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>what's the "official" word on WD-40 and o-ring chains?  >does the WD
degrade the o-rings?

>From the Nov. '95 issue of Cycle World magazine...

Someone asked the following questions and got the following
responses:

Q. Does an o-ring chain require chain lube?
Q. Will chain lube help more than make a mess?

A. One simple answer, a) No; and b) No.  O-ring chains do not require
the same kind of lubrication as  conventional chains.  The critical internal
friction areas are packed with lubricant during manufacture, and  the
o-rings are there to keep the lube in and the dirt out.  But in practive,
o-ring chains enjoy a longer life  if they're occasionally sprayed with a
water-dispersing  lubricant such as WD-40.  Lubes of this type prevent
the  chain from rusting after it makes contact with water;  and because
they aren't sticky like conventional chain  lubes, they don't attract dirt and
grit that can grind  the o-rings to pieces.


So, there it is folks.  As I have stated in the past, I do not lube my o-ring
chain.  In fact, I will  occasionally spray WD-40 on a rag to wipe down
the dirt from the chain (rather than soaking the chain itself  with the
WD-40).  To date, i have no unusual wear from  this practice and neither
to any of my friends.  My rear wheel stays _alot_ cleaner too!

Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Fri Oct 13 09:40 PDT 1995
Subject: Wax, was Re: O-rings and WD-40 -Reply

On Fri, 13 Oct 1995 SASHA@ndi.org wrote:

> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:45:52 -0400
> From: SASHA@ndi.org
> To: mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu, chirobe@minna.acc.iit.edu, jel@walker.com
> Cc: hawkgt@dsea.com
> Subject: O-rings and WD-40 -Reply
> 
>  Fine.  I am willing to accept this...esp b/c WD-40 is much cheaper/useful
> than chainwax.  
> but why then does the o-ring chain come waxed, and it recommends
> waxing every 300 mi on the box (DID)?

To prevent rust. 


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From CABethel@aol.com Fri Oct 13 09:44 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: O-rings and WD-40 -Reply

Sasha asks:
>but why then does the o-ring chain come waxed, and it recommends
waxing every 300 mi on the box (DID)?

Two guesses: 1) new chains or replacements chains in boxes need to be
protected from all possible harm for an indeterminate length of time until
the bike or chain is sold. 2) Recommended lubing possibly protects against
product liability claims from people who let their chains
rust/deteriorate/stretch/break, causing an accident. If they didn't keep it
lubed the mfr. says not our fault.


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From jel@walker.com Fri Oct 13 09:47 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: O-rings and WD-40 -Reply



 >Fine.  I am willing to accept this...esp b/c WD-40 is much cheaper/useful
>than chainwax.  
>but why then does the o-ring chain come waxed, and it recommends 
>waxing every 300 mi on the box (DID)?
>-Sasha

It comes with the heavy grease applied to prevent rust during shipping and 
storage.  The recommendation?  Who knows...probably to cover their butts.
Experience, and the Cycle World article, shows that recommendation to be
for naught.  The chain I recently bought (520 conversion) didn't have that
recommendation as far as I remember.

Cheers,

Jeff
     

     



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From briggsw@microsoft.com Fri Oct 13 10:55 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Chain Adjustment


>
>Slightly on topic:  My Hawk is starting to make a sound under engine
>decelleration that sounds like the chain is rubbing on some aluminum.
>Anyone else have this happen?  It's probably the plastic chain guard on
>the swingarm that's worn out.  I need to check it.
>
>Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242
>http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/

Yes, mine is doing this exact same thing.  I checked the chain last night,
and it is fine but I did not check the chain guard.  I will do that asap
(ie tonight.).  If it matters, I have an 89 with only 3300 on the odometer.

Jim Lawrence

If you are running an aftermarket rear shock that increases ride height, you 
will get much more rubbing of the chain on both the swingarm and the bottom of 
the frame (right under and behind the front sprocket).  In fact, there is 
supposed to be a slider on the frame there, but mine is gone, and I'm told that 
it isn't uncommon for them to get ripped right off when you increase your ride 
height.
As for chain adjustment itself, the best way (IMHO) is to sit on the bike and 
have a friend adjust it for you.   Once you do that once, you can get a feel 
for what it's supposed to look like.  I weigh 225#, so if I adjust the chain as 
normal, it ends up being very tight once I sit on it.

Briggs Willoughby 
                                                              
Sand Point Race Team and Supper Club
"The grip on the right is the fun regulator"







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From jamesm@calweb.com Fri Oct 13 11:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Two Brothers Pipe for Sale

On Thu, 12 Oct 1995 JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote:

> right-side TBR pipe...  
> ...and he says he would be willing to throw in a center stand that
> he has modified to work with the pipe.

I'd like to know how he did this.  Could you furnish us with some details?


------
james montebello - jamesm@calweb.com





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From spatel@mcp.com Fri Oct 13 12:52 PDT 1995
Subject: Sprockets -- O-rings and WD-40

     
     Does the chain need the wax to protect the sprockets ?  
     
     If not, you have convinced me not to wax the damn thing every 400 
     miles.  Now, I don't have to import the Revere.
     
     Thanks for you input in advance.
     
     Duke,
     '89 Red
     
     

     
Someone asked the following questions and got the following 
responses:
     
Q. Does an o-ring chain require chain lube?
Q. Will chain lube help more than make a mess?
     
A. One simple answer, a) No; and b) No.  O-ring chains do not require
the same kind of lubrication as  conventional chains.  The critical internal 
friction areas are packed with lubricant during manufacture, and  the 
o-rings are there to keep the lube in and the dirt out.  But in practive, 
o-ring chains enjoy a longer life  if they're occasionally sprayed with a 
water-dispersing  lubricant such as WD-40.  Lubes of this type prevent
the  chain from rusting after it makes contact with water;  and because
they aren't sticky like conventional chain  lubes, they don't attract dirt and 
grit that can grind  the o-rings to pieces.
     
     
So, there it is folks.  As I have stated in the past, I do not lube my o-ring 
chain.  In fact, I will  occasionally spray WD-40 on a rag to wipe down
the dirt from the chain (rather than soaking the chain itself  with the 
WD-40).  To date, i have no unusual wear from  this practice and neither 
to any of my friends.  My rear wheel stays _alot_ cleaner too!
     
Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
     


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From jel@walker.com Fri Oct 13 13:38 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Sprockets -- O-rings and WD-40

Duke wrote:
     
     >Does the chain need the wax to protect the sprockets ?  
     
     >If not, you have convinced me not to wax the damn thing every 400 
     >miles.  Now, I don't have to import the Revere.
     
     
     Hey Duke, the sprocket does not require this.  Think about it...
     after a couple of chain revolutions under load, do you really think
     any lube will be left between the chain roller surface and the 
     contact point on the sprocket?  The PJ1 ads that advertise otherwise
     are simply "snake oil".
     
     Jeff
     



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From rzimdars@camtronics.com Fri Oct 13 14:03 PDT 1995
Subject: chain/sprocket issues

     
     Hey, as long as we're on the subject of chains/sprockets I'd like some 
     advice. My streetbike (1990 Katana 1100) recently began exhibiting 
     signs of a worn chain (the bike has 21,500 miles). Removal of the 
     chain confirmed there was a _lot_ of slop.
     
     I changed the sprockets to 530 units in the stock size (from Dennis 
     Kirk). The stock setup is a 532 size. I put on a Tsubaki Sigma o-ring 
     chain. Now I've got a bad vibration, worst at @ 50 mph. The local shop 
     says the sprockets are out of round, but they've only got 150-200 
     miles on them! Has anyone experienced a similar problem ?
     
     I'd be interested in hearing any theories before I blow another wad of 
     cash replacing my week-old sprockets. 
     
     BTW, my bike being laid up must certainly have something to do with 
     this beautiful weather, so you're welcome. 
     
     RobbZ
     '88 Hawk GT/'90 black Kat
     rzimdars@camtronics.com



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From JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Fri Oct 13 14:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Two Brothers Pipe for Sale

Hi Jim (or is it James?),

In a message dated 95-10-13 14:20:44 EDT, you write the following regarding
the modified center stand:

>I'd like to know how he did this.  Could you furnish us with some details?

He wan't too specific, and I haven't actually seen it. From what he said,  I
gather that he cut the center bracing between the legs, moved it downward to
where it would clear the pipe, and welded it back together.  If you need more
info than this, I'll see if I can get a look at the thing, make measurements,
etc.  Let me know.

JT




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From stuart_hayashida@smtpgwy.centre.com Fri Oct 13 14:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: chain/sprocket issues

Your sprocket(s) may not be bad- one or both may not be centered on the shaft.  
Try taking the chain off the countershaft sprocket (the most likely culprit I'd 
guess), place a stick or something close to the edge of the teeth, and crank the
starter with the bike in gear (with the run switch off).  You should be able to 
tell if the sprocket doesn't run true.  If so, mark the high spot, loosen the 
nut and see if you can adjust it so it runs true.  There was an article in one 
of the magazines recently that mentioned this as a potential problem (sorry, 
don't remember which one).  Good luck.  

Stuart


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: chain/sprocket issues
Author:  "Zimdars, Robb"  at Internet-Mail
Date:    10/13/95 4:06 PM



     Hey, as long as we're on the subject of chains/sprockets I'd like some 
     advice. My streetbike (1990 Katana 1100) recently began exhibiting 
     signs of a worn chain (the bike has 21,500 miles). Removal of the 
     chain confirmed there was a _lot_ of slop.

     I changed the sprockets to 530 units in the stock size (from Dennis 
     Kirk). The stock setup is a 532 size. I put on a Tsubaki Sigma o-ring 
     chain. Now I've got a bad vibration, worst at @ 50 mph. The local shop 
     says the sprockets are out of round, but they've only got 150-200 
     miles on them! Has anyone experienced a similar problem ?

     I'd be interested in hearing any theories before I blow another wad of 
     cash replacing my week-old sprockets. 

     BTW, my bike being laid up must certainly have something to do with 
     this beautiful weather, so you're welcome. 

     RobbZ
     '88 Hawk GT/'90 black Kat
     rzimdars@camtronics.com




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From jamesm@calweb.com Fri Oct 13 14:42 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: chain/sprocket issues

On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Zimdars, Robb wrote:
>      I changed the sprockets to 530 units in the stock size (from Dennis 
>      Kirk). The stock setup is a 532 size. I put on a Tsubaki Sigma o-ring 
>      chain. Now I've got a bad vibration, worst at @ 50 mph. The local shop 
>      says the sprockets are out of round, but they've only got 150-200 
>      miles on them! Has anyone experienced a similar problem ?

You can check for out of round by checking to see if the chain tension
varies as you rotate the back wheel.  This would have to be very
significant for you to actually feel any vibration, I would think.  The
chain would have to become quite tight somewhere during rotation.

If this is so, fix it now, as a very tight chain is very hard on
countershaft and wheel bearings (probably wouldn't do your swingarm
bearings any good, either).

------
james montebello - jamesm@calweb.com


------------------------------

From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Fri Oct 13 14:53 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: K&N Filter

Hi JTSMCRIDER, on Oct 12 you wrote:

> I think I've heard it said on the list that K&N makes a replacement Hawk air
> filter that fits into the stock airbox.  I checked at my local dealer, and
> all that they could find in their catelog was one for the NTV650 (Reviere).
>  Is this the one that fits our Hawks?  If so, what do they cost? 
> 
> JT 
> 

Well since I am in England I guess that I'll go down to the Honda dealer
tomorrow and find out!  I have been waiting for K&N to bust out with one
for a long time...hope it is the same.

I'll let ya know,

Steve




------------------------------

From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Fri Oct 13 14:54 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Alternate rear blinker stems

Hi DFJL, on Oct 13 you wrote:

> FWIW, I've replaced the stems on my rear blinkers with the stems from a VF500
> Intercepter front set. The look is the same, but the stem is an inch shorter.
>  The base gasket is also removed and not used, so you gain another 1/4 inch
> there. Use the small plate from the stock setup, just reverse it.  Use the
> nuts  for the VF500 too, or just go to a local Nutty Company store ( they're
> metric ).
> 
> The VF500 front is the shortest Honda stem with this shape.  I've used them
> on all my older bikes to achieve the same effect.  You can find them cheap
> thru any local breaker or via several used parts mail-order places.
> 
> Bring your old one when you go to check it out, since they do mount different
> ( only the Hawk uses the gasket with an oval hole and a small plate.  All the
> others used two holes.
> 
> BTW, I did this on my '88, other years may be different.    Anyone ?  Anyone
> ?
> 
> Dave
> 

I did the same on my '89 a couple of years ago.  The only thing is the
wobbly ol' Honda stocks tend to tear and break over time.  Bumpy roads?
Too many stoppies?  I am looking into some GSXR blinkers- they are much
stiffer.

Steve




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From SASHA@ndi.org Fri Oct 13 15:36 PDT 1995
Subject:  Re: O-rings and WD-40 -Reply -Reply



Ok. all valid points.  
but i guess i have always been under the impression that the seemingly
redundant lube in the case of an o-ring chain protected it from
heat/friction resulting from contact with the sprockets-- which is not
protected against by the inner reservoirs of lube in an o-ring chain.

-S



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From JimDuc916@aol.com Fri Oct 13 17:19 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Brake calipers

Karl--and hawksters
Even the 4 piston gixer calipers work WAY better than stock!!!
I have a set (as in two) 6 Tokico piston calipers, from a 94 jixer.  I fact I
have the whole front end, if anyone is interested.  I'd rather not split up
the pair, but talk to me!
thanks,
ciao,
jimd
716-688-4768


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From jleung@indirect.com Fri Oct 13 17:56 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: O-rings and WD-40 -Reply


Does anyone have an old O-Ring Chain that they can tear apart
and experiment with?

I remember on several occasions where WD-40 would eat away/
dissolve polymers/plastics could someone take an O-ring and
soak it in WD-40 and see what happens?

Jim



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From DFJL@aol.com Fri Oct 13 19:10 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: RS250 ?

In a message dated 95-10-13 18:18:20 EDT, you write:

>
>RS250 with a 'Okumura special suspension ?  I just have been looking thru
>American Roadracing Sept. issue, and there is a photo ad showing one for
>sale.
>A surprise to me is the rear single-sided swinger - but reverse of the Hawk 
>!
>
>
>Just getting around to my e-mail.
>Haven't seen the article, but could it be that the negative of the
>photo was reversed in the ad?
>Wouldn't be the first time.
>
>

Nope, "Honda" reads true on the fairing.  That was my first check too, but
it's definitely 'on wrong'.  It's very tough to see, but it looks as though
it may have a rising rate linkage  could a VFR swinger be inverted and still
have an operating linkage ?  And WHY - I'm not familiar with the RS250 -
where is the output shaft ?

Dave


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From tbrking@twobros.com Sat Oct 14 04:03 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: chain/sprocket issues

Robb, you wrote:

>     I changed the sprockets to 530 units in the stock size (from Dennis
>     Kirk). The stock setup is a 532 size. I put on a Tsubaki Sigma o-ring
>     chain. Now I've got a bad vibration, worst at @ 50 mph. The local shop
>     says the sprockets are out of round, but they've only got 150-200
>     miles on them! Has anyone experienced a similar problem ?

I would have to speculate and say that your sprocket(s) are defective (some
BRANDS are defective.) You should return them, get a full refund and try a
better brand. I'm assuming they're NOT AFAMs.

Step up and get a good chain as well. A D.I.D ERV2 will pay for itself over
and over again.

Thanks for the weather too!


   Craig who is not too opinionated.




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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Sat Oct 14 11:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: K&N Filter

Hi Steve, on Oct 13 you wrote:

> Hi JTSMCRIDER, on Oct 12 you wrote:
> 
> > I think I've heard it said on the list that K&N makes a replacement Hawk air
> > filter that fits into the stock airbox.  I checked at my local dealer, and
> > all that they could find in their catelog was one for the NTV650 (Reviere).
> >  Is this the one that fits our Hawks?  If so, what do they cost? 
> > 
> > JT 
> > 
> 
> Well since I am in England I guess that I'll go down to the Honda dealer
> tomorrow and find out!  I have been waiting for K&N to bust out with one
> for a long time...hope it is the same.
> 
> I'll let ya know,
> 
> Steve
> 
I went down to the Dealer today with my Hawk microfiche and had them cross
reference the air filter part numbers... they are the same!  Yahoo!  Please
let me know the K&N part number so I can order one as well.

Steve




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From MEL1523@ACS.TAMU.EDU Sat Oct 14 11:21 PDT 1995
Subject:  Re: Questions on AWD, ABS, and locking the rear differential 


;   o  What is meant by "locking the rear differential"?  Is this
;      required for AWD, or is this simply one way of using AWD?
;      Is it done manually or automatically?
;
;AWD is full-time operation, and cannot be disabled.   As a wheel begins to lose 
;traction, power is moved from that wheel to a wheel that has more traction.  
;AWD also uses limited slip differentials, this means that the wheels do not 
;have to turn at the same rate enabling power to be moved to the wheels with the 
;most traction.  When the differential is locked, this forces the wheels on that 

Not totally true.  A normal differential forces both output shafts (whether 
they are going to the front and rear, or to two wheels) to transmit the same 
torque.  If one wheel is on ice, and the other on pavement...tough cheese, 
they both get the same torque as the one one ice which spins.  This is the 
reason for locking diffs.  Two relationships characterize a differential.  
1. the torque going to the two output shafts is equal.
2. for a given input shaft speed, the sum of the two outputs speeds must be 
constant.

That having been said, strictly speaking, power goes to the wheel with the 
least traction.   Again the reason for lockable diffs.  A lockable diff is 
like no diff at all.  Both outputs rotate at the same speed regardless of 
the torque which may be different.  This enables a wheel with more traction 
(the one on pavement) to get some more torque.  Limited slip diffs have 
viscous couplings between the two output shafts.  This transfers torque from 
one shaft to the other when there is a large difference in their speeds.  
Problem is...it may not transmit enough and energy is dissipated in the 
process.

A torsen dif works by allowing slip when the transmitted torque is equal, 
and not allowing slip when there is a difference.  So when you are in a 
tight turn in a parking lot, (same torque) there can be slip, but stuck in 
the snow, with one spinning, no slip.  It does this by transferring the 
power from the input shaft through worm gears instead of pinion gears.  
Power can only go one way through worm gears.  This is why an electric winch 
can pull the cable, but when the motor is off, no amount of force on the 
cable can spin the motor.  Torsen stands for torque sensing.  New Audi's 
have these as the center diffs.  Last time I checked, Audi was the only 
maker using torsen diffs in their cars.  

So why not on the rear or front diff?  You wouldn't want different torque on 
the two sides resulting in yaw on the car.  Why on sports cars?  The driver 
has to steer to counteract the yaw...not the best design for a sedan you 
want to be stable...an engineering compromise.

;   o  Why would locking the rear differential make the ABS speed
;      sensing mechanism (just a magnetic sensor and gear-like hub
;      disk) less accurate?
;
;This I'm not sure of, but it must be related to the limited-slip diff.  BTW, 
;Audi's disable the ABS upon locking the diffs also.

The speed sensors themselves work just fine lock or no lock.

   o  Do other AWD cars retain ABS functionality when AWD is
      enabled?  For example, is ABS disabled automatically on the
      Audi Quattro when the rear differential is locked, or is
      this requirement specific to the Pontiac design?

Nope.  On mine...lock the center or rear, and you lose the ABS...it's an 
electronic interlock.  It's not the AWD that necessitates the ABS cutout, 
it's the locking.  Why?  ABS prevents wheel slip.  It does not cut out when 
the wheel stops.  Read that last sentence again.  ABS does not look for the 
wheel to stop.  It looks for acceleration.  As you apply the brakes in a 
panic stop, the tire transmits more and more braking force.  As you exceed 
the traction of the tire, it doesn't stop, it slows down real fast 
(acc(de)elerates) and slips relative to the ground.  When the ABS senses the 
acceleration, it lets off the brake pressure.  It doesn't wait until the 
wheel stops.  That's why you can apply the brakes when the car is stopped, 
and the ABS doesn't let it all out.  

Why the conflict with the diffs?...When one wheel of an axle starts locking, 
you want the ABS to go off (I mean trigger) right?  But what if it can't 
lock because it's tied to the other wheel through the locked diff.  It 
can't.  The whole axle (both wheels) have to start locking before the ABS 
would trigger.  Plus, you'd be transmitting braking forces through the 
driveline which you don't want to do.  You want the ABS to trigger if either 
wheel starts locking.  All of the above also applies to the front/rear 
situation, which is why you lose the ABS upon locking the center diff.  Why 
is a torsen diff in the center ok?...it allow slip under no torque diff 
condition and does not allow torque to be transmitted front/rear because of 
the worm gears.  Therefore the two ABS channels will not crosstalk, and you 
can have the best of both worlds, ABS and differential torque delivery.  
Worm gears are like mechanical check valves or diodes.  Torque can 
be delivered from the engine differently, but cannot be transferred from the 
wheels or brakes to other wheels.  

;   o  Is there such a thing as AWD with an automatic transmission?
;      All the Audi Quattro ads I've seen indicate a 5-speed tranny,
;      but I think I've seen reference somewhere to automatic.  Other
;      than the "enthusiast" aspect of manual shifting, are there any
;      AWD automatic cars that work well?
;
;Now, that you mention it, I don't recall having ever seen an automatic 
;Quattro.  I don't see any mechanical reason why they couldn't manufacture one 
;though.

There is no engineering reason why you can't have AWD and an automatic 
trans.  Lots of AWD cars have them both.

;   o  Finally, is AWD a full-time thing, or is it something that one
;      manually turns on and off?
;

On Audi's you always have it if you have AWD.

;   o  Thanks :-)

 - Mitch Loescher




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From MEL1523@ACS.TAMU.EDU Sat Oct 14 14:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: K&N Filter and sorry

;> Well since I am in England I guess that I'll go down to the Honda dealer
;> tomorrow and find out!  I have been waiting for K&N to bust out with one
;> for a long time...hope it is the same.
;> 
;> I'll let ya know,
;> 
;I went down to the Dealer today with my Hawk microfiche and had them cross
;reference the air filter part numbers... they are the same!  Yahoo!  Please
;let me know the K&N part number so I can order one as well.
;
;Steve

Sorry for the post about Audi AWD systems...I guess I'm on too many mailing 
lists.

Anyway, the K&N number listed for the NTV650 Reviere in the Chaparral 
catalog is HA-0005 (Chap. num. 340-9709).  The price was not listed.

I'd be real interested to hear if any gets one and how well it fits/works.

 - Mitch Loescher



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From Hawky647@aol.com Sat Oct 14 17:04 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Two Brothers Pipe for Sale

There are two cross braces just cut off the top one. Now it will clear your
2Bros pipe.
Will


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From Hawky647@aol.com Sat Oct 14 17:12 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Questions on AWD, ABS, and locking the rear differential 

What is this? Is someone planning an all-wheel-drive, ABS, turbo Hawk? With
an Auto trans?


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From DFJL@aol.com Sun Oct 15 09:04 PDT 1995
Subject: Muzzy slip-on

I'm about to purchase one.  I would like to hear from anyone who has good or
bad to say about it - looks, power, sound, whatever.
I don't want to flood the list with another re-hash of this subject, so
everyone is invited to respond via direct E-mail if you wish.
Am I doing the wrong thing ? I am soliciting opinions.
FWIW I am a recreational user, not inclined to race, not out to disturb
neighbors, but I like the stock headpipe look and the bronzed SS headpipes.
 Good low-Hz sound is great, if I can get it.

Thanks all.
Dave


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From JimDuc916@aol.com Sun Oct 15 12:57 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Muzzy slip-on

Muzzy's are terrific--look good, sound good, make more power, keep the
centerstand to boot!
I might even have one for sale, with a set of jet hot coated head pipes and
teh collector jet hot coated, too.  for a reasonable sum of $!
ciao,
jimd


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From JimDuc916@aol.com Sun Oct 15 12:59 PDT 1995
Subject: that $3500 motor that was for sale

Hi Hawksters--
A few weeks/months ago, someone was selling a hotrod hawk, and also a hotrod
motor--750 cc, new in crate.  A friend of mine has expressed interest in this
motor--if the owner reads this, of someone knows who it is, and it is still
available, please drop me a line here, or call Ed at 609-268-2599.
thanks,
jimd


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From AGault@aol.com Sun Oct 15 18:05 PDT 1995
Subject: sport rider

the watanabe carbon fiber tank is in the december issue of sport rider it is
a good picture and the tank looks very stock   anybody know anything about it
and does it come in red   later mike


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From khowar@mastnet.net Sun Oct 15 19:41 PDT 1995
Subject: HawkGT Mailing list

I would like to be added to the mailing list for the Hawk GT. I have an '88 with
64K miles and many mods, the last of which was the installation of a 92 VRF
rear wheel. I am 46 and an MSF Instructor. 

Kelly Howard
1900 Baywood Dr.
Bay City, Tx. 77414
409-245-2224



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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Mon Oct 16 04:30 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: O-rings and WD-40

>Q. Does an o-ring chain require chain lube?
>Q. Will chain lube help more than make a mess?
>
>A. One simple answer, a) No; and b) No.  O-ring chains
>do not require the same kind of lubrication as 
>conventional chains.  The critical internal friction
>areas are packed with lubricant during manufacture, and 
>the o-rings are there to keep the lube in and the dirt
>out.  But in practive, o-ring chains enjoy a longer life 
>if they're occasionally sprayed with a water-dispersing 
>lubricant such as WD-40.  Lubes of this type prevent the 
>chain from rusting after it makes contact with water; 
>and because they aren't sticky like conventional chain 
>lubes, they don't attract dirt and grit that can grind 
>the o-rings to pieces.

I toasted a DID O-ring chain in about 10k miles (less than 
1 year) of all-weather riding by spraying WD-40 on it and 
no other lube.  I don't know what kind of chain life other
people are getting, but mine has developed a lot of stiff 
links and is noisey.

>So, there it is folks.  As I have stated in the past, I
>do not lube my o-ring chain.  In fact, I will 
>occasionally spray WD-40 on a rag to wipe down the dirt
>from the chain (rather than soaking the chain itself 
>with the WD-40).  To date, i have no unusual wear from 
>this practice and neither to any of my friends.  My rear
>wheel stays _alot_ cleaner too!

If you don't ride in the rain much the WD-40 on the rag will
probably be fine and does clean it up nicely.  I believe that
spraying WD-40 directly on the chain will cause the solvent
to penetrate the o-rings, a bad thing.  I recently started using
Maxima chain wax and believe that you need to use this or some
heavy oil on a chain that gets wet from time to time unless 
you are able to clean it every time it does get wet.  I find that
when I get home after a wet commute, the last thing I want to do 
is wipe my chain down.

BTW, the Chain Wax does build up eventually on the sprockets and 
sliders, but does not fling off onto the wheel like oil.

David Mackintosh        '92 Sovereign   '95 Moda   '82 245 Turbo   '89 Hawk GT
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil    Germantown, MD, USA    WVC #M141       DoD #1360



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From jel@walker.com Mon Oct 16 07:44 PDT 1995
Subject: Report (and a question)

     
     Well, this weekend I finished up the installation of the Race-Tech
     Gold emulators in my '93 F2 forks.  I also installed the EMC shock
     I received from England.
     
     The forks:
     
     The combination I now have is the '93 F2 forks loaded with
     Progressive (F2) springs and the emulators.  I'm running 10wt
     oil measured 120mm from the top of the tube (springs out and
     forks fully compressed).  Progressive recommends much less oil,
     but switching to the Race-Tech emulators changes all that.
     Race-Tech told me they start with 110mm from the top, but I've
     basically started a little lower because the Hawk is a lighter
     bike.  Before installing the emulators, the forks were a little
     stiff on high speed compression damping -- I had verified that
     I was using the spring travel by putting some zip-ties around
     the fork legs.  Although, I haven't had alot of time to test them
     yet, my initial riding impression is good.  The forks seem to
     be soaking up the small ripples much better while still providing
     a well controlled "sport" feel to the suspension.
     
     The shock:
     
     EMC had some problems with one of their suppliers so it took them
     3 weeks longer to get it to me (total 5 weeks).  However, I found
     their customer service to be outstanding.  They called me when it
     became apparent they were going to have a problem and to make up
     for it, they told me they would ship the shock with 2-3 day
     delivery at no additional charge to me (this cost them an additional
     $45 to do that).  As it turns out, they also shipped me their
     "Race" shock (top of the line) rather than the "Sport" shock.
     The shock came with a 1100 lb spring and separate compression/rebound
     damping controls.  The 1100 lb spring was what EMC recommended for
     my weight (150 lbs).
     
     Install was straightforward -- per recommendations of a couple of
     previous list members, I took the rear wheel off and dropped the
     stock shock out through the bottom (after supporting the swingarm
     with a jack).  The EMC shock went right in.  I've only played a
     little with dialing it in, but the difference between the EMC and
     the stocker is incredible.  I can feel the rear actually tracking
     the bumps rather than smacking me in the butt.  
     
     Now my question:  Can someone help me remember about how to set the
     sag correctly on the shock.  Do you simply set it based upon the
     difference between the bike under its own weight and then with
     me on it, or is it the difference between the unloaded shock (i.e.
     bike on the centerstand) and then with bike on the ground with me
     on it?  I know that I'll be looking for about 0.75-1.25 inches of
     sag total.  Thanks.
     
     Jeff



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From JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Mon Oct 16 08:10 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: that $3500 motor that was for sale

Hi Jim:

The message about the race hawk and 750cc engine for sale included the
following address/phone info:

>Email me at   bsummers@spaceworks.com
>or call Brian Summers at:
>9:00 am to 6:00 pm EST  301-251-4136
>7:30 pm to 9:30 pm EST  703-222-6655

JT



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From 102136.3317@compuserve.com Mon Oct 16 08:24 PDT 1995
Subject: re:  $3500 Motor

Jim:

The person with the motor was Brian Summers.  He's in the DC/Baltimore area.
Held the number one plate out there for a few years and is retiring.  I bought a
Hawk front end from him a few months ago sight unseen for my Ascot race bike.
The price was very fair, and the parts showed up in "as described" condition.

You can reach him at:  bsummers@spaceworks.com.

I'm sure I have his phone number somewhere.  E-Mail me if you'd like that as
well.


Mark



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From nhi377@abdn.ac.uk Mon Oct 16 08:54 PDT 1995
Subject:  Hawk advice anyone?


Hi Hawk riders

I'm in the north of Scotland and about to sell my VFR750 to fund a Hawk
(or Bros) winter project.  Nothing too radical, probably just carb jetting,
a not-too-loud pipe, a fairing and some good paint.  Any suggestions
on what fairing would fit?  One from a Cagiva Mito would make
it look like a Duc 916 at a casual glance...

One option is to be a little more radical and slot in a bigger engine.
[ A TwoBrothers 3mm overbore for the 650 would be difficult as there aren't
many tuning shops around here ]  Anyone know whether the Africa twin 750
would fit? Is the Africa twin basically similar to the Hawk engine 
(configuration, engine mounts etc) ?  Has anyone tried putting
other engines into the Hawk?

Kelly Howard mentioned having 64k miles on his Hawk.  Did the engine require
any rebuilding during this milage?  Is the Hawk engine long-term reliable
generally?  I reckon Honda really have got their act together in the last 
10 years - the VFR for example has the reputation as lasting towards and 
beyond 100k miles without engine problems.

Finally, someone mentioned the watanabe carbon fiber tank.  Does this have a
larger capacity than stock?

Cheers


Andy Bryant
Aberdeen, Scotland




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From jel@walker.com Mon Oct 16 12:22 PDT 1995
Subject: EMC Shocks

 
 I've had a couple of requests for the address/phone of EMC:
 
 
 Phone (from USA):  011-44-1234-344001
 
 
 If anyone wants any specific information about the process I went through,
 please contact me.  I found EMC's customer service very good.  My initial
 impression of their shock is excellent.
 
 Jeff



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 12:53 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: that damned CF


>   The AMA decided against CF rotors not because of safety concerns but 
> because of COST.  A privateer could not afford to be a front runner any 
> more, and in the interest of fairness tried to even the odds (bad timing, 
> though, 'cause prices plummeted shortly thereafter.)   

Well, you're half right.  Problem was, a well-funded privateer could 
often afford to get into CF brakes, but not to maintain them.  Since CF 
brakes pads failed as catastrophically as anything else made of CF, they 
took a lot of high-dollar maintenance to keep in running order.  
Privateers often cannot do this; therefore, the ban was rather a 
combination of cost and safety.  Of course, I think the AMA put the big 
cost label on it so some lawyer didn't get a hold of RR World and start 
a big a class-action suit or something . . .

DC



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 12:58 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wantanabe tanks, continued...

On Thu, 5 Oct 1995 GTRider9@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 95-10-05 14:02:16 EDT, Hawky647@aol.com writes:
> 
> >Do you guys crash that much that you have to worry about exploding into
> >flames?
> 
> Actually, I haven't crashed a street bike in 15 years--and that's what
> worries me!  I'm kinda overdue!

Funny enough- a good friend of mine said exactly that the day a let him 
ride my new 900SS.  He rode for 10 minutes, then handed the keys back and 
said, "I'm feeling too good.  If I keep this up, I'm gonna fall down- I"m 
overdue, you know."

Not 30 seconds later, his VFR was sliding down the road . . .

Don't jinx yourself!
DC



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 13:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe tank...

On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, Craig Erion wrote:

> DC, the tank that you described (the one similar in design and construction
> to an F-1 tub) would cost three to four thousand dollars each. It would do
> the job well but no one would want to buy one.
> 

Ummm . . . the tanks we used to get from FBF for our Duck racers were 
TOUGH, and certainly met the descriptions I provided.  I must admit that 
I have not installed  a CF tank in over 2 years, since I is now a student 
again.  Has something changed I don't know about?  I can't imagine a 
race-quality fuel tank without some sort of baffles and reinforcement ...

DC


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From ddc10@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 13:17 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Factory Jet Kit

On Sat, 7 Oct 1995, Matt Goodman wrote:

> Someone posted a couple weeks ago that they had had a dynojetkit installed
> in their Hawk, but were going to rreplace it with a Factory kit. Was this
> ever done, and, if so, where is your report?! (G)

Well, that'd be me.  Unfortunately, the guy who was supposed to show up 
at Loudon with a dyno didn't, so I have no objective data.  All I can say 
is- FINALLY THE F$%^&%! THING RUNS RIGHT!!!!!

C y'all, 
DC



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 13:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Pipes / Drilling out Sliders

On Sat, 7 Oct 1995, Matt Goodman wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Dennis Daniel Crowley wrote:
> 
> > For anyone who might be interested . . .
> > 
> > Needle have been cut (on the top, where the clip goes) to fit into the 
> > needle holders, per instructions from Dynojet.  Therefore, the cannot go 
> > LEANER than the third position.  What this means to you is that they'll 
> > work with Uni's or open stacks, and probably with this stock boot/Uni 
> > hybrid we've been discussing, but not with a stock box.
> 
> Just to further fatten up the collective database, I have a Hawk with
> stock everything except for a stage 1 Dynojet kit.
> 
>  ____       I'm fairly certain that Dynojet uses the same needle for all
>  |  |       of it's stages.   
>  |  |
>   ||   4    I think what I have labeled as position 4 is the same thing
>  |  |       DC is calling position 3. IF that is correct, then his needles
>  |  |       WILL work for people using the stock airbox AND exhaust. Mine
>   ||   5    makes best power at 4, but leaves a slight flat spot at around
>  |  |       3800 RPM. 5 gives buttery smooth roll-on at almost any RPM (down
>  |  |       to about 1800 RPM) and for that reason, feels to make more power
>   ||   6    but comes out to about the same as stock.
>  |  |
>  |  |
>  |  |
>  |  |
>  |  |       FWIW,
>  |  |
>  |  |  
>   \/
> 
> Matt/OH                            goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us
> 89 Hawk GT (street)                76025.1535@compuserve.com
> 89 EX 500  (racebike)

Yeah- you got it right, Matt.  Funny, though- mine ran plug-foulingly 
rich under exactly the same conditions you described.  Ifyou have a stock 
pipe, you should have been even richer . . .

Just more fuel (sic)
DC



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 13:32 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe no more

> >        What we could also use is a carbon fiber rear sub-frame that
> >        can be installed for solo/race purposes.
> 
> Big bucks. Really big, big, big bucks.
> 
>    Craig

Any suggestions for a raceable subframe that doesn't cost $150 like 
Chafong's?  I have an objection to spending that kind of money for 
something that's guaranteed to bend in the slightest impact . . .

DC



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 13:32 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Source for new brake lines

On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Craig Erion wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> Spam, spam, spam, bacon and spam. Bacon, bacon....
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
>    Craig

Baconbaconbaconbacon . . . what'sintheboxIDON'TKNOWICAN'TREEEEEEAAAADDD!!

> BTW II, I spoke with Gary Orr of HawkWorks today and he just purchased a
> filthy but bone stock HAWK for 1300 bucks! The dog.
> 

I win.  My latest was filthy and running for $500.

>    Spam (a.k.a. spam dude, a.k.a. Craig)

Will you be changing the initials to SBR now?

DC



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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Mon Oct 16 13:37 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wantanabe tanks, continued...

> 
> On Thu, 5 Oct 1995 GTRider9@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 95-10-05 14:02:16 EDT, Hawky647@aol.com writes:
> > 
> > >Do you guys crash that much that you have to worry about exploding into
> > >flames?
> > 
> > Actually, I haven't crashed a street bike in 15 years--and that's what
> > worries me!  I'm kinda overdue!
> 
> Funny enough- a good friend of mine said exactly that the day a let him 
> ride my new 900SS.  He rode for 10 minutes, then handed the keys back and 
> said, "I'm feeling too good.  If I keep this up, I'm gonna fall down- I"m 
> overdue, you know."
> 
> Not 30 seconds later, his VFR was sliding down the road . . .

hehe.  I did EXACTLY the same type of thing a couple of years back
on the Hawk.  I said "jeez, I've been riding for hmmmm, three years
now, and not a single crash!."  Within 1 hr I had planted myself
on the pavement . . . at 45+ mph.  Luckily, it was into some soft
dirt, so most of the damage was simply dirt scratches, GOBS of 
dust, and a couple of trivial broken bits (That wouldn't have been
so trivial had it not been for my savior with the spare bungee).


Mike



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 13:58 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Questions on AWD, ABS, and locking the rear differential 

On Sat, 14 Oct 1995 Hawky647@aol.com wrote:

> What is this? Is someone planning an all-wheel-drive, ABS, turbo Hawk? With
> an Auto trans?
> 

Probably the same guy with the Vmax engine . . .


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From ddc10@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 14:04 PDT 1995
Subject: Transport options

Hey folks . . .

Just for the record- I can now say with confidence that a Hawk, with 
proper preparation, will fit nicely in the trunk of a '95 Corolla.  If 
your trunk is already full or if you have two Hawks, the other will just 
squeeze into the back seat.

C y'all,
DC



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From cfaison@magpage.com Mon Oct 16 14:15 PDT 1995
Subject: subframe

OK, I've been on this list for about a month... and I'm finally gonna get a
damn Hawk! I'm a happy camper. It's an '88, pretty beat cosmetically but
runs very well (all stock). I'm getting the bike, $100.00, Leathers, boots,
a stand, etc. in trade for the RZ I just paid $800. for (and raced last
weekend) - I'm not complaining.

Anyway, I need a subframe, this one's a bit tweaked and I'd rather just put
a straight one on that mess with trying to straighten this one. Anyone have
one they no longer need?


thanks
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Craig D. Faison                         phone 302.325.5737
Kodak Imaging Services                  fax 302.322.2233
259 Quigley Blvd., Suite E              Email cfaison@magpage.com
New Castle, DE 19720                    http://www.magpage.com/~cfaison/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Mon Oct 16 14:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Transport options

> 
> Hey folks . . .
> 
> Just for the record- I can now say with confidence that a Hawk, with 
> proper preparation, will fit nicely in the trunk of a '95 Corolla.  If 
> your trunk is already full or if you have two Hawks, the other will just 
> squeeze into the back seat.




OK, I'll bite:  how the hell did you do this?

(I wanna stick my Hawk in the back of my Cherokee, but haven't
been adventurous enough to try ;-)  (I've gotta move soon, and
I was looking for exuses to stick the Hawk in the back of the 
car.  We don't need no steenking passengers anyway ;-)


-Mike
--
Mike Nielsen       e: greaney@unr.edu       v: 702.784.4752


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From briggsw@microsoft.com Mon Oct 16 14:39 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Exhaust Pipes...



Briggs,

Since you're the expert on Hawk pipes around here, how about giving the
Hawklist a summary of your experiences with the various pipes and pipe/jet
combo's?

I don't think you've had any slip-on's to compare with, but you have had
D&D, TBR, and Supertrapp, right?

I would not call myself an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I have 
experience with 4 types of Hawk pipes.  Supertrapp, TBR, D&D canister and the 
old D&D megaphone type.  All on a race Hawk with a Factory stage 3 and stock or 
ported carbs with only velocity stacks, no filters.  I can only guess about 
street usage, since I have never actually ridden a Hawk on the street.

The Supertrapp sounded really cool, was easy to jet and made considerable power 
compared to stock.  This is a good pipe, but for racing...I don't know.
I ran the TBR on both a stock and somewhat rodded motor (1MM over Wiseco, 
Megacycle TBR Shortrack cams, 1MM over intake, 10.5 CDI),
On the  stocker, it was great, and pulled noticably harder than the Trapp. 
 Once I threw money at the motor, though, it became very difficult to jet, and 
I had a tremendous flat spot between 5500 and 7.  That chewed.  Several other 
guys I know have this same problem and I understand that it's partly cam 
related.  While not impossible, I've heard that it is very difficult to jet 
this out.
I've had the same problems jetting my D&D (canister), but it just plain pulls 
harder than the TBR (sorry Craig), about the difference between the TBR and the 
Trapp.  The flat spot was still there, but it still pulled harder there then 
the TBR did in the dead zone.  In both pipes defense, I just had my valves 
redone, and started running race gas, and the flat spot is alot less flat. 
 That may help the TBR as well.  I don't know.  The D&D looks cooler, IMHO (or 
at least mine did until I threw it at the tire wall at turn 9 at PIR yesterday. 
 I now have a D   brand pipe.)
My teammate, Eric Dye, runs the old style D&D megaphone.  This is generally 
agreed, from what I can tell, to be the best for race usage.  This pipe is 
definately *not* street legal.  It is very, very, loud.  Eric has basically the 
same motor as me, and he says he has a flat spot, but it's not as flat as mine. 
 All the old time Hawk guys I know say the best thing is either to get a 
handmade system, or a D&D megaphone.   Interestingly enough, the only 
difference between my system and his is the muffler, the header pipes look 
exactly the same.  I have a line on a megaphone to weld on to my system, and 
may do that over the winter.
If I was going to build a street Hawk, I would probably choose the new style 
D&D (which aren't technically street legal, but they are no louder than the 
TBRs).  Both the Trapp and the TBR are good pipes, though.

Briggs Willoughby 
                                                 briggsw@Microsoft.com      93 
Goof2
Sand Point Race Team and Supper Club      WMRRA #925                         88 
Hawkf2
"The grip on the right is the fun regulator"







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From stuart_hayashida@smtpgwy.centre.com Mon Oct 16 16:27 PDT 1995
Subject: Skylonda

So, who was up at Skylonda this weekend?  I saw three Hawks up there this Sunday
across from Alices- two reds, and a gray.  All three were basically stock, all 
with the stock muffler.  The gray and a red were parked next to each other and 
had low miles- the red still had the original Dunlops.  The other red was must 
pulling out as I pulled in on my '89 red.  Just curious if they belonged to 
anyone on the list.  

Saw one more in Palo Alto on my way home.  It was a red one at the intersection 
of Alma and Charleston, turning left onto Charleston.  I was turning onto Alma 
and waved.  Let me know this was anyone on the list and perhaps we can meet up 
sometime and talk Hawk.  

Stuart


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From khowar@mastnet.net Mon Oct 16 19:14 PDT 1995

I'm new here and was reading the mail and thought I would drop in my two
cents worth. I read about prices for Hawks... I think I got the best price.
In '89 I won a new Harley Sportster in an ABATE raffle, kept it one week and
traded it even for a brand new '88 Hawk at a local dealer and paid half the
taxes (~$150). I've raced it, toured it and commuted on it. It now has 64K
with original untouched motor. It doesn't use any oil and still goes 125MPH
indicated. Here's a list of mods:
SuperTrapp pipe, with 142.5 jets and needles shimmed .5mm and top of stock
air cleaner removed with stock Honda filter
F2 front wheel on stock forks with a late model 4 piston GSXR caliper and
stock brake rotor.
'92 VFR rear wheel
Circa '86 VFR fairing (race piece) with European 100mm headlight installed
offset ala Suzuka
Beasley single seater tail piece with FZR600 tail light. 
Progressive rear  shock and front springs
17 tooth front and 42 tooth rear sprockets (yes I know it's way over geared,
but here in south Texas with the l-o-n-g straight roads and 100MPH sweepers
it makes sense and doesn't affect acceleration that much)

Look forward to the dialog. Kelly Howard



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From GTRider9@aol.com Mon Oct 16 23:54 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Transport options

In a message dated 95-10-16 17:15:24 EDT, ddc10@columbia.edu (Dennis Daniel
Crowley) writes:

>Just for the record- I can now say with confidence that a Hawk, with 
>proper preparation, will fit nicely in the trunk of a '95 Corolla.  If 
>your trunk is already full or if you have two Hawks, the other will just 
>squeeze into the back seat.

Well hey DC, that's nice to know, but it'll be at least 15 years before I can
afford a '95 Corolla.  What I'm trying to figure out is how to get my XR400R
into the back seat of my '65 Corvair.  That's got me stumped.

Dave



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From tbrking@twobros.com Tue Oct 17 00:14 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Watanabe no more

Dennis,

>Any suggestions for a raceable subframe that doesn't cost $150 like
>Chafong's?  I have an objection to spending that kind of money for
>something that's guaranteed to bend in the slightest impact . . .


We used to make and sell 'em. Nobody wanted them though. They retailed for
about $150.00 and were trick. Oh well.


   Craig




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From <@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu:shawn.downing@jhu.edu> Tue Oct 17 10:16 PDT 1995

I'm just a regular street rider, semi-agressive, never will be on a race
track. Is the Progressive Suspension shock worthwhile for my style
(budget/handling)?
What is the price difference between that and the Fox?

On another note:

Hey Craig E,

Just so I don't sound stupid, how do you pronounce your last name?

1) air - e - on
or
2) eer - e - on
or
3) none of the above
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PC Support Specialist                       410.516.0804 fax
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Johns Hopkins University
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From cfaison@magpage.com Tue Oct 17 10:22 PDT 1995
Subject: left exit TBR

I just went to the TBR homepage (www.twobros.com) and checked out a photo of
the left exit exhaust. My question is: is there a ground clearance issue
when used for racing? Craig? I sure hope not 'cause I think I need this exhaust!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Craig D. Faison                         phone 302.325.5737
Kodak Imaging Services                  fax 302.322.2233
259 Quigley Blvd., Suite E              Email cfaison@magpage.com
New Castle, DE 19720                    http://www.magpage.com/~cfaison/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Tue Oct 17 10:57 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: left exit TBR

>I just went to the TBR homepage (www.twobros.com) and checked out a photo of
>the left exit exhaust. My question is: is there a ground clearance issue
>when used for racing? Craig? I sure hope not 'cause I think I need this
exhaust!

Wow, nice site!  Keep those Hawk pics coming!  How about a Hawk .wav, too?

David Mackintosh        '92 Sovereign   '95 Moda   '82 245 Turbo   '89 Hawk GT
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil    Germantown, MD, USA    WVC #M141       DoD #1360



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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Tue Oct 17 11:12 PDT 1995
Subject: Party:  Thanks for coming!

Just thought I'd send a quick note to thank those who showed up at the
first "Left Coast Wild Fowl (Hawk/Duc) & Others Get Together".  All-in-all,
only about 15 folks showed up, which was somewhat disappointing, as we've
been trying to finish the 1/4 keg ever since ;-).  I'm sorry if the
description of my driveway scared anyone off (Leveroni?  hee).  En route
home with the keg of Tied House Amber (mmmmmm), my roommate noticed a
Beemer and red hawk TURNING AROUND at the top of our driveway!  Christ,
they could have WALKED down from there!  Hee hee.  It's bad, but not THAT
bad, right folks (who showed up)?

The weather was supurb...not a wee gusty o' wind, and not too chilly.  Good
conversation, good food, good, good, good, good!

Of course, as I was the one who drank the MOST beer (didn't have to ride
home), I don't remember anyones names.  Please don't be offended, it's
genetic.  I believe 5 hawks showed, 3 Ducs, and a few others (Transalp, BMW
GS, Sabre).  That makes 11, or 17 if you count all of Dave's and my bikes.
In addition, there were two or three car load of folks, including Mike
"sorry I'm late" Nielsen.  How was the quest for excitement in Los Gatos,
Mike?  =)

My Awards list:
Farthest traveled -- Mike Nielsen and friends, from Reno.  (Jim (duc916), you
     coulda clinched it =))
Earliest arrival -- Roy, 7:30ish (what's yer last name?)
Latest stayed -- Roy, 7:30ish (Saturday!)
Most beers -- Hugh (ouch! me noggin'!)
Best conversation -- Kirk Howland, on vegetarianism: "meat, carrots,
     whatever, we ALL live on death..."
Best Mod:  I really liked Roy's Spec II (I think) full faring for his red
     Hawk.  Looked like a nice compromise on slim, tasteful design and
     functional faring.  Roy, any info on where ya got it, and cuanta cue$ta?

Once again thanks from Dave and I to all of you who showed.  It was great!

Hugh

P.S. -- I'm organizing a Sunday morning ride and brunch fairly soon (before
the rains =() in the spirit of keeping everyone connected other than by
email.  Any suggestions for route choices?  Meet at Alice's?  10am or so?
Two Sundays from now (October 29th)?




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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Oct 17 12:14 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Party:  Thanks for coming!

> 
> Just thought I'd send a quick note to thank those who showed up at the
> first "Left Coast Wild Fowl (Hawk/Duc) & Others Get Together".  All-in-all,
> only about 15 folks showed up, which was somewhat disappointing, as we've
> been trying to finish the 1/4 keg ever since ;-).  I'm sorry if the
> description of my driveway scared anyone off (Leveroni?  hee).  En route
> home with the keg of Tied House Amber (mmmmmm), my roommate noticed a
> Beemer and red hawk TURNING AROUND at the top of our driveway!  Christ,
> they could have WALKED down from there!  Hee hee.  It's bad, but not THAT
> bad, right folks (who showed up)?


Buch of wusses.  =)  Honestly, the driveway has a bit more bark than it
does bite.

> Of course, as I was the one who drank the MOST beer (didn't have to ride
> home), I don't remember anyones names.  Please don't be offended, it's
> genetic.  I believe 5 hawks showed, 3 Ducs, and a few others (Transalp, BMW
> GS, Sabre).  That makes 11, or 17 if you count all of Dave's and my bikes.
> In addition, there were two or three car load of folks, including Mike
> "sorry I'm late" Nielsen.  How was the quest for excitement in Los Gatos,
> Mike?  =)

SOMEBODY! gave me bum directions, as we ended up putting an extra 100+
miles on my Jeep while not landing at a single bar!  ACK!!!  NO MORE
BOOOOOZE (until Saturday, that is ;-).  Got to Los Gatos, but couldn't
find Mtn Charlies.  For all I know, the place doesn't exist, as it
wasn't in the phone book.  

(I can see it now: the place is really a gay bar and no-one told me.
you are all laughing in the safety of your cubicles right now... =).


> My Awards list:
> Farthest traveled -- Mike Nielsen and friends, from Reno.  (Jim (duc916), you
>      coulda clinched it =))

WHOOHOO!!!  I've never won anything like that before!

> P.S. -- I'm organizing a Sunday morning ride and brunch fairly soon (before
> the rains =() in the spirit of keeping everyone connected other than by
> email.  Any suggestions for route choices?  Meet at Alice's?  10am or so?
> Two Sundays from now (October 29th)?

Outstanding.  If Chapparal ever ships me the damn chain, I can make it down
for that as well.  


See ya'll soon!

Mike



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Tue Oct 17 14:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Transport options

On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Mike Nielsen wrote:

> > 
> > Hey folks . . .
> > 
> > Just for the record- I can now say with confidence that a Hawk, with 
> > proper preparation, will fit nicely in the trunk of a '95 Corolla.  If 
> > your trunk is already full or if you have two Hawks, the other will just 
> > squeeze into the back seat.
> 
> 
> 
> OK, I'll bite:  how the hell did you do this?

Well, I'll tell ya . . .

It's easier than you might think, actually, depending on how far you're 
going.  What I did was remove the wheels, subframe, seat, and 
muffler.  The remainder then slides butt-end first into the corner of the 
trunk, leaving a bit exposed, which should be tied down.

On the other hand, I wasn't really satisfied with this, so I took the 
front end off entirely, drained the oil (not in that order), and laid the 
thing on its side.  Thusly, I was able to get the trunk within 3 inches 
of closing.  If I had spent another 10 minutes removing the swingarm, it 
would have been a piece of cake.  You need some BIG sockets for this, though.

Now, as far as the back seat goes, here's the scoop:

length of Hawk from tripleclamps to bearing carrier: 44 inches
width of Corolla from door to door: 58 inches

Ergo- remove rear wheel, loosen bars,  slide forks up in the clamps as 
high as they will go, remove front wheel, convince girlfriend that she can
in fact lift one end, and TA-DAAAA- two Hawks in a Corolla.

This setup is entirely accurate- in a few days GIF's will be available 
for the unbelievers.

I should mention at this point that this was a RENTED car.  If it were my 
own and I still had the gall to try such a stunt, I would have  laid a 
tarp on the back seat.

A tip: always, always, always carry Fix-A-Flat when performing a stunt 
like this.  When there's a motorcycle on top of your spare, getting to 
the jack is a bitch.

Another bit of comedy on this note:  At one point, we stopped for gas 
somewhere in South Carolina.  As I was putting the cap back on, the next 
guy in line comes running up and says, "Hey, is that a Hawk in your 
trunk?  I've been looking all over for one!  How much do you want?"

Negotiations ensued, and we had actually agreed on a price (actually, I 
was going for the toolbox to put it back together) when the 
guy said, "Oh, wait a second- what color is it?"  I opened the trunk and 
pointed to the red tank, upon which his face fell and he said, "Awww... I 
wanted a BLUE one . . . sorry.", and he walked away.  Too bad.

Remember . . . you asked for it . . .

C y'all,
DC



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Tue Oct 17 14:53 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Transport options

> Well hey DC, that's nice to know, but it'll be at least 15 years before I can
> afford a '95 Corolla.  

Me too.  Mine was rented- do you think I would actually do crap like this 
with my OWN car?

> What I'm trying to figure out is how to get my XR400R
> into the back seat of my '65 Corvair.  That's got me stumped.

Strap it to the hood like a deer.

DC



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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Tue Oct 17 14:56 PDT 1995
Subject: Rear Brake Line

I know that a lot of us have talked about it, but has anyone gone ahead and
rerouted the rear brake line through the swing arm yet?  I want to do it
while I have my bike apart, but am leary of drilling in the swing arm with
out details of where to do it from someone who has.

Steve




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From tindrum.tng.oche.de!g.ruetten@downtown.oche.de Tue Oct 17 15:02 PDT 1995
Subject: HELP

Gruß,
                                Gereon
--
UUCP   : G.RUETTEN@key.gun.de           VOICE : 02161-51564 o. 0241-873846
Fido   : Gereon Ruetten @ 2:2433/495


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From tindrum.tng.oche.de!g.ruetten@downtown.oche.de Tue Oct 17 15:02 PDT 1995
Subject: ADD

Gruß,
                                Gereon
--
UUCP   : G.RUETTEN@key.gun.de           VOICE : 02161-51564 o. 0241-873846
Fido   : Gereon Ruetten @ 2:2433/495


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From DFJL@aol.com Tue Oct 17 17:23 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: ADD

In a message dated 95-10-17 18:13:11 EDT :

>Gruß,

ß      ß?

?? ! ! ??  I didn't know we had this scharacter in the ASCII set.


Dave


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From scutchin@vt.edu Tue Oct 17 20:36 PDT 1995
Subject: rear ss line done

I know I promised an update once I finished putting in the new stainless 
line through the swingarm but I lost my internet access for about a week.  
Sorry, forgot to pay the bill again.

The job was a snap, only took about an hour total.  I got the kit from 
Chafong for $59.  Stainless steel Goodridge lines with red and blue anodized 
aluminum Earl's Speed-seal hose ends.  VERY good looking!!  No more chain 
guard, no more ugly black brake line.  I wish my front ss line had the red 
and blue fittings now! 

The hole size is 10mm, which is larger than the brake line but I think this 
is to allow it to freely slide in and out with suspension action, etc.  I 
used a 25/64" bit, which is 9.92mm - close enough for me.  Route the line 
from the rear through the hole to the front through the grommet, cut an X in 
the grommet and push the line through.  Then you assemble the fitting and 
bolt 'er on, bleed the brakes and go!  Unless you have removable end 
fittings DO NOT try this.  You would have to drill a HUGE hole to get a 
fitting through the swingarm.  

Overall I'm happy I spent the money.  The rear brake doesn't seem to be any 
touchier (someone voiced a concern about this) but the pedal is noticeably 
firmer at the bottom.  This isn't a big deal, if I pushed that hard while 
going down the road the wheel would be up in smoke.

I'm gonna try and insert a scan of the picture on where to drill the hole. 
Wish me luck.

Steve '89 700cc

Okay, the picture thing didn't work...Drill the hole 8" from the center of 
the axle pinch bolt and 1 1/4" from the right edge of the swingarm.  Got it? 
 Gimme a ring if that doesn't make sense and I'll try my scanner again.  



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From scutchin@vt.edu Tue Oct 17 20:49 PDT 1995
Subject: desperately seeking Hawk

My roommate rode my Hawk to class this morning, his '86 600 Ninja wouldn't 
start.  He walked in the door and said he wants a Hawk.  Period.  Anybody 
have one for sale?  He really wants a red '89 like mine.  He has already 
grilled me on what mods are a must.  That part was easy, I told him "all of 
them!!"  While I road trip would be nice we really need something no more 
than a few hundred miles away.  He says he'll pay the gas for my truck but 
California is a little far away.  We go to Virginia Tech in southwest 
Virginia.  Keep me posted, I'd love to have a two-Hawk household.  


Steve '89 700cc



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From AKAMATSUK@aol.com Tue Oct 17 20:50 PDT 1995
Subject: October 29th Ride (was party...)

>P.S. -- I'm organizing a Sunday morning ride and brunch fairly soon (before
>the rains =() in the spirit of keeping everyone connected other than by
>email.  Any suggestions for route choices?  Meet at Alice's?  10am or so?
>Two Sundays from now (October 29th)?


Uh, I'd love to join you guys/gals but Sunday October 29th is the anual
City Bike 'Ducati Day' event (a.k.a. Duck orgy) held somewhere in 
the Napa Valley this year.  I'm committed to going with my two riding buds...
who both ride them red I-talian machines.  

Me?  I'm a wanabe Duckster on my Hawk... wouldn't have it any other way,
actually.

Of course if we got an earlier start from Aice's, we could ride up and crash
the party....


Ken '89
San Jose, CA



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From gumby647@digital.net Tue Oct 17 20:53 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Pipes

A
>        Hey all,
>
>        I'm gearing up for Daytona and got my dyno running. I've been
>testing exhaust
>pipes on my bike to find the best one and here are my findings.
>
>  First the bike, not a street bike by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>stock bore J&E pistons
>milled, ported, head with 1mm over valves
>39mm FCR's
>174x8 cams
>carillo rods, polished crank and tranny
>3rd mainbearing to stop crank flex
>
> All dyno runs were done on the same day with the same jetting. Have a
>digital read
>out dyno so I tested at 5K rpm and at redline.
>
>supertrapp with race endcap-----  5K 43HP  Redline 76
>
>TBR pipe with D&D can----  5K 34HP  redline 84HP
>
>TBR pipe with TBR can----  5K 34HP  redline 83HP
>with no core or packing
>(it broke)
>
>Suppertrapp headpipes D&D can----  5K 43 HP  redline 82HP
>(I sawed the trapp can off)
>
>
>  I have a megaphone comming from Air Cone that I hope will be here by
>wednesday.
>I'll let you know how that goes.
>
>  Frank, If I were you I'd forget about repacking the Trapp and get another 
>can.
>
>Since I did not rejet for each pipe the data is not completely accurate, but
>I feel
>it give's a good representation of each pipe.
>
>                                               Gumby
>                                               CCS #818
>
>
>
>
>
                                                 Gumby
                                                 CCS EX#818



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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Wed Oct 18 04:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Clip-ons and shorter cables

I found some used Magura clip-ons and installed them last night,
on top of the triple-clamps (I can't imagine going lower on the 
street).  Installation was pretty straight-forward but I did have 
to raise the fork tubes about 5mm since the clamp section of the clip-
ons is taller than stock.  I like the new position so far since I
found myself leaned forward with my elbows bent with the stock bars
most of the time anyway, still F2 or CBR1000 bars would probably be 
better and there'd be a bit less of the problems I describe below.  
Now my back is in much the same position but my arms are straighter 
and hands are closer to my knees.  It feels good except at lights 
where I am used to sitting up straighter.  The steering is noticeably 
quicker at low speeds.  

My problem is with the control cables.  Everything works OK (after 
lubing) but the clutch and throttle cables are now about 4" too long,
interfering with the headlight bucket or making a big loop out to the
side.  I am a bicycle mechanic and with bicycles it is easy to shorten
the cables and housings because the cables are clamped on one end.
The throttle and clutch cables seem to have formed fittings on both ends,
though so are not adjustable, right?  Is there a way to modify the stock
cables or are shorter ones available from Honda or another source?  It's
working OK now, but I'd be much happier if everything fit.

Also, I already have a Russell braided stainless front brake line which is 
also too long.  I would like to shorten it and have ideally have a bleeder
banjo fitting installed.  Is this easy to do or should I start over with a 
custom kit?  One note with these clip-ons is that the ends of the bars hang
down at a much steeper angle than stock, so the master cyclinder resevoir
lid is no longer nearly level.  I think with the bike on the side stand and 
the bars leaned to the left it'll be about right.  The stock mirrors also hang 
down and cannot be adjusted level, so the view is not as wide.  I do see less
of my elbows, though.  Time for some black mirrors, maybe round.

David Mackintosh        '92 Sovereign   '95 Moda   '82 245 Turbo   '89 Hawk GT
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil    Germantown, MD, USA    WVC #M141       DoD #1360



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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Wed Oct 18 04:36 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Pipes

Gumby writes:
>>supertrapp with race endcap-----  5K 43HP  Redline 76

>>TBR pipe with D&D can----  5K 34HP  redline 84HP

>>TBR pipe with TBR can----  5K 34HP  redline 83HP
>>with no core or packing
>>(it broke)

>>Suppertrapp headpipes D&D can----  5K 43 HP  redline 82HP
>>(I sawed the trapp can off)

Wow, this last seems to be the way to go, what do you think about
for street application?  I already have a Supertrapp system, do you 
think a TBR or D&D can would make a big difference, or is it only
much better without the baffles?  I don't want it any louder than 
the Supertrapp with 8 disks.

It looks like the Supertrapp head pipes have more than 33% better 
midrange but don't significantly hurt the top end, how come the other 
manufacturers use larger diameter head pipes?

How come your power level is so much higher than what other people
seem to be getting?  What dyno are you using and how does it compare to 
the Dynojet?  I thought 60-70 hp was more likely for a strong Hawk engine.

David Mackintosh        '92 Sovereign   '95 Moda   '82 245 Turbo   '89 Hawk GT
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil    Germantown, MD, USA    WVC #M141       DoD #1360



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From alan@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu Wed Oct 18 05:13 PDT 1995
Subject: Another RaceHawk FS:

Hey look what I found over at wreck.moto...
_______________________________________________________________
rec.motorcycles.racing #17563 (0 + 50 more)                                [1]
From: xmax@xmax.com
[1] 1988 Honda Hawk Racebike For Sale
Date: Mon Oct 16 15:25:52 HST 1995
Organization: WEST COAST ONLINE
Lines: 38
X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.)

Wiseco 1 over Pistons(4 races on rings)
Carillo Rods
ported/polished/flowed Heads by EDCO
1over intake/stock sized exhaust stainless valves
R&D valve springs w/titanium tops(4 races on valve-job)
Megacycle 174x2 cams w/slotted sprockets
Crank by Costa Mesa
close-ratio transmission
Factory shift spring
Holeshot PowerShifter
modified oil pump
VFR Radiator w/Daytona Temp Gauge
rear cylinder modifed for direct coolant
kitted stock carbs & Magura 1/4 turn throttle
RC30 carbs(4)
10,200 BlackBox
Factory Ignition Advance
total-loss wiring harness
Scitsu Tachometer
1994 F2 cartridge forks revalved by Race Tech(3 races on rebuild)
Ohlins shock(3 races on rebuild)
Chafong clip-ons
Storz Damper
lightened rear hub with Chafong aluminum disc
38-44 520 Sprocket Specialists sprockets
5.25 VFR rear wheel
rearset footpegs with VFR pegs
Aluminum rear subframe
2 tanks, 1 perfect & modified for ram air
RC30 fairing, RVF tail sections

This is a national-level Battle of the Twins racer with the results to
prove it.1st place Mid-Ohio / Roebling
Road. 2nd place Daytona / Willow Springs AHRMA BOT 1995.  2nd overall AFM
650 Twins 1995.

$4500.  Contact James Lickwar @ 415.863.0967  or
Email
lickwar@xmax.com.
______________________________________________________
Goodies -- gotta get some...
Alan



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From gumby647@digital.net Wed Oct 18 05:57 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Pipes

At 07:46 AM 10/18/95 -0300, you wrote:
>Gumby writes:
>>>supertrapp with race endcap-----  5K 43HP  Redline 76
>
>>>TBR pipe with D&D can----  5K 34HP  redline 84HP
>
>>>TBR pipe with TBR can----  5K 34HP  redline 83HP
>>>with no core or packing
>>>(it broke)
>
>>>Suppertrapp headpipes D&D can----  5K 43 HP  redline 82HP
>>>(I sawed the trapp can off)
>
>Wow, this last seems to be the way to go, what do you think about
>for street application?  I already have a Supertrapp system, do you 
>think a TBR or D&D can would make a big difference, or is it only
>much better without the baffles?  I don't want it any louder than 
>the Supertrapp with 8 disks.

Adding the D&D can is probly the best thing you can do for the super trapp
head pipes
I ran the Trapp with race end-cap and the D&D was quieter and sounded
better. I have never ran the trapp with 8 disks so I can't compare it to that.

>It looks like the Supertrapp head pipes have more than 33% better 
>midrange but don't significantly hurt the top end, how come the other 
>manufacturers use larger diameter head pipes?

 Moriwoki of Japan makes a pipe for the Hawk that looks like a supertrapp
with a D&D can.
 
>How come your power level is so much higher than what other people
>seem to be getting?  What dyno are you using and how does it compare to 
>the Dynojet?  I thought 60-70 hp was more likely for a strong Hawk engine.

 Because I spend a lot of time trying to make it faster, and to keep up with
the guys
I race against. I don't recall the name of the dyno, its service something.
It's a oil
pump dyno. It works like a water brake engine dyno, except it's a chassis
dyno. It is much better than a flywheel dyno like the Dynojet.
>David Mackintosh        '92 Sovereign   '95 Moda   '82 245 Turbo   '89 Hawk GT
>mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil    Germantown, MD, USA    WVC #M141       DoD #1360
>
>
>
                                                 Gumby
                                                 CCS EX#818



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From gumby647@digital.net Wed Oct 18 06:17 PDT 1995
Subject: Gas tanks

   Hey all,

  I am planing to make a aluminum gas tank for my Hawk in the off season. I
was wondering what the Market was for such a creature. I will not have a
locking gas cap
(it'll be screw-on like a RS 250), It won't have a significant increase in
capacity
though it may have some, it wont have reserve either. It will however weigh
a whole lot less than stock. E-mail me with any comments or suggestions.
                                                 Gumby
                                                 CCS EX#818



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From giant!giant.IntraNet.com!steve@omega.IntraNet.com Wed Oct 18 06:23 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Pipes

someone wrote:

>>>TBR pipe with D&D can----  5K 34HP  redline 84HP

	THIRTY-FOUR hp?  I hope that's a typo.


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From MCBRIEN@UHPHYS.PHYS.UH.EDU Wed Oct 18 07:42 PDT 1995

I was given this address by another Hawk owner.  I've owned my Hawk for 5 
years.  During that time I've had several other bikes, always seeking more 
horsepower, but none have been as much fun as the Hawk.  Since it seems 
Honda won't build a faster Hawk, I guess I'll have to start modifying mine. 
 I've been reluctant to do this because, from past experience, I didn't 
want to mess up a good thing.  The only source I'm aware of for hop up 
parts is TBR.  Right now the bike is stock except for a Supertrapp, Dynojet 
and Fox shock.  The Fox is superb, by the way; well worth the expense.  I 
had a Corbin solo seat.  It was more comfortable than stock, but didn't fit 
right-it rubbed paint off.  After I saw one that did fit right, I contacted 
Corbin and they made two attempts to fix it, both unsuccessful because they 
didn't have a Hawk to actually fit it to.  So now I'm back to the marginal 
stock seat.  Has anyone tried anything else?

If anybody has done something or bought something that s/he feels has 
improved the Hawk (like my experience with the Fox,) I would appreciate 
hearing from you.

Robert


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From jel@walker.com Wed Oct 18 07:53 PDT 1995
Subject: New arrival...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

     
     Well, I just thought I'd share the news about the new arrival in
     my garage...a '92 Yamaha TZR250 now sits proudly next to my Hawk.
     
     Ring-a-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding....
     
     Jeff
     
     (now back to the regular scheduled programming)



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From 102136.3317@compuserve.com Wed Oct 18 08:46 PDT 1995
Subject: Cheap Bike Hauler for Sale


CHEAP BIKE HAULER FOR SALE -- Columbus, Ohio

Hope this isn't considered Spam, but I thought some of you folks stuffing your
Hawks into Toyotas might be interested.

1986 Ford Aerostar Cargo Van.  4 cylinder FI, 5 speed, A/C, PS, PB, remote
alarm.  170k miles.  Brown.  Two owners.  Oil changed every 3k.  New exhaust
(incl. cat.), brakes, shocks, w/receipts.  Paint is faded, rockers are rusty,
tires are good.  5th gear went out on the way to Putnam Park this summer, but
I've driven several thousand miles without it with no adverse side affects.

First $750 takes it.

I haul my race bike, mountain bike, awning, lawn chairs, cooler, tool chests,
several boxes of spares and chemicals, gear bag, gas can, air tank, bike stand,
ramp, etc. and it all fits.  It will haul two race bikes without much other
gear, or one large street bike (two might be pushing it).  It got me through my
first season of racing without a hiccup -- it knows the way to Putnam, Grattan,
Nelson, etc.

I've upgraded to a full-size van.  If you want a cheap hauler, this is it.
While it's not pretty, it's not embarassing either.  I guarantee that short of a
"brother in law" deal, this is the best van you'll find for less than $1,000.

E-Mail me at 102136,3317 if you're interested.

Mark Hatten



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From 102136.3317@compuserve.com Wed Oct 18 09:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Corbin Seats

Brian McBrein wrote in a recent post about the poor fit of his Corbin seat.
These guys have been getting flamed over on CompuServe lately, and I'm wondering
what some of the experiences on this list has been.

The prevailing opinion seems to be if you can go to one of their stores and have
them make the seat, you are okay.  But if you order it by mail, you seem to
really take a chance with fit and finish.  And I've heard horror stories about
their customer service (or lack of it).

I'm considering one of their seats for my Ducati 900SS, but I don't want to
spend premium bucks for an inferior product.  Any input?

Mark


Mark



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From jel@walker.com Wed Oct 18 09:30 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats

     I have one for the Hawk and it fits fine, not perfect, but well
     enough that I don't mind (I don't have a problem with it damaging
     my paint).
     
     However, when I had ordered a Corbin for my VFR, it didn't fit
     when it came AND it had a slight tear in the finish.  I sent it
     back and when I received for the second time, the finish was OK
     but it still didn't fit.  They thought that the seat base might
     be warped so they sent me another one.  Still no luck.  At that
     point, I just had them refund my money.
     
     I used to be on the VFR mailing list and it seemed like about
     30% of the people who had tried Corbin's had some sort of
     problem.  Some people had real horror stories of not getting
     their seats back (after returnig them for some reason) for 8-10
     weeks.  I bought my current seat from a Honda dealer's "old" stock.
     If it weren't for that, I would not have felt comfortable ordering
     a seat unless I went there and had it fitted.
     
     This is _my_ experience.  Their seats, however, are very comfortable.
     My Hawk seat is starting to break in and it gets more comfortable
     every day.
     
     Jeff


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Corbin Seats
Author:  "Mark M. Hatten" <102136.3317@compuserve.com> at INTERNET
Date:    10/18/95 12:05 PM


Brian McBrein wrote in a recent post about the poor fit of his Corbin seat. 
These guys have been getting flamed over on CompuServe lately, and I'm wondering
what some of the experiences on this list has been.
     
The prevailing opinion seems to be if you can go to one of their stores and have
them make the seat, you are okay.  But if you order it by mail, you seem to 
really take a chance with fit and finish.  And I've heard horror stories about 
their customer service (or lack of it).
     
I'm considering one of their seats for my Ducati 900SS, but I don't want to 
spend premium bucks for an inferior product.  Any input?
     
Mark
     
     
Mark
     



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From AFKJV@VMS.ACAD2.ALASKA.EDU Wed Oct 18 09:32 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats



On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Mark M. Hatten wrote:

> From:     102136.3317@COMPUSERVE.COM
> 
> Brian McBrein wrote in a recent post about the poor fit of his Corbin seat.
> These guys have been getting flamed over on CompuServe lately, and I'm wondering
> what some of the experiences on this list has been.

I have  Corbin seats on all 4 of my bikes. In addition I have had the 
opportunity to evaluate Corbin seats in the past for Motorcycle Consumer 
News & BMW Owners News. Basically, I am quite satisfied with the product. 
Given my physical geometry, I find the seats very comfortable, especially 
on transcontinental tours. However, I must admit that lately quality 
control has not been up to my high standards. I have discovered that on 
one seat the molded fiberglass seat pan required some grinding with a 
Dremel tool to fit properly. On another seat, the seat pan did not fit 
squarely on its mounts.

Admittedly, I tend to be a bit particular with my money. But, on balance, 
Corbin knows seats & builds them quite well. I wouldn't hesitate to buy 
their products again in the future.

Good Luck!

Kit Vercella


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Yeah, Corbin is a monopoly.  Good ole Mike has only a small concern
for making the customer happy.  This has been my reading of the
situation for about the past three years.  Sure, if you can get there
they will pay attention.  Otherwise, its a gamble.

Take my seat for an example.  Gunfighter w/lady for Hawk.  Oh, about 
$300, or was it $350?  Installation instructions were vague or 
useless.  My seat hooks had to be installed differently than was
described.  Alignment is poor; rear bodywork broke at mounting 
tabs as a result.  "Bumpers" on the bottom of the seat  are put on 
with inadequate aluminum rivits that deform and then move around.
The bumpers themselves are of a composition unsuited for the job--
they creep and become useless ( flat ).  The bumpers are in the
wrong position to line up with the stock rear supports.  I fabricated
a few steel tabs to address this issue.  After a few phone calls 
and a few more in-person discussions ( Anaheim Motorcycle Show, 
twice ) I have given up on trying to get suitable set screws for 
the backrest adjustment.  We do not use it much, so there
is not a real problem there.  Never the less, the supplied screws
are not suited for the job; in fact the whole "Lady" attachment
is poorly engineered.

But hey, it is the only game in town if you want to bring a 
passenger along on the Hawk.  I just took my wife on a <1000 mile
ride, and she found it OK.  Not a Goldwing, but OK.

I think that this note is the official opinion of both this 
list and rec.moto.  I have read something like 1000 posts on the
subject of seats-o-Mike, and they all boil down to this:  he
really does not care about mailorder.  If you get a seat that fits
you are lucky and have a good seat.  Otherwise, just send it back
and try in a few months.  If you go there you can force them
to give you an acceptable product.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
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From rzimdars@camtronics.com Wed Oct 18 09:52 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats

     FWIW, I put a Corbin Dual Canyon Sport on my 1100 Katana back in 1990. 
     Not only did it fit correctly, it's held up exceptionally well over 
     the last 22,500 miles.
     
     I'd ridden a Corbin-equipped Hurricane 1000 just before buying the 
     Kat, and didn't like the fact that the seat seemed to lower the seat 
     height of the bike. I mentioned that to the folks at Corbin when I 
     ordered, and they padded my seat up to the original ride height at no 
     extra cost.
     
     The seat extends my wife's comfort range (which directly affects my 
     own comfort range), looks really good (in black w/red piping), and has 
     been very durable with no settling or cracking at all (despite the 
     fact that I first put conditioner on it a couple months ago). 
     Drawbacks? It's a pound or two heavier than stock, due to stiffer foam 
     and a fiber base rather than a molded plastic one. Overall, I'd say 
     it's more than paid for the $299 investment.
     
     Robb Z.


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Corbin Seats
Author:  "Mark M. Hatten" <102136.3317@compuserve.com> at internet
Date:    10/18/95 12:05 PM


Brian McBrein wrote in a recent post about the poor fit of his Corbin seat. 
These guys have been getting flamed over on CompuServe lately, and I'm wondering
what some of the experiences on this list has been.
     
The prevailing opinion seems to be if you can go to one of their stores and have
them make the seat, you are okay.  But if you order it by mail, you seem to 
really take a chance with fit and finish.  And I've heard horror stories about 
their customer service (or lack of it).
     
I'm considering one of their seats for my Ducati 900SS, but I don't want to 
spend premium bucks for an inferior product.  Any input?
     
Mark
     
     
Mark
     



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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Oct 18 09:55 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats


Mark,

I too have heard lots of bad stories about Corbin.  Maybe that's why they 
came in 4th on the Motorcycle Consumer News' reader's poll of 
saddle-makers.  I don't remember the names of other brands, though, so that 
sure tells you something about Corbin's superior marketing.  I'm pretty 
sure that Sargent was one of them.  

> I'm considering one of their seats for my Ducati 900SS, but I don't want to
> spend premium bucks for an inferior product.  Any input?

I would ask on the euro-moto or Ducati list about this.  Those guys are 
incredibly difficult to pleeze, and would let you know if they've had any 
problems...

The Corbin HawkGT two-person seat is butt-ugly IMHO.  I'd rather stand up
every 30 minutes.  You can't go more than 2 hours without stopping or
buying a Whattaknobby tank anyway.

Cheers,
Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242
http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/



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From Roy.Hanks@quickmail.llnl.gov Wed Oct 18 10:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Party-  Thanks for comin

   RE>Party:  Thanks for coming!                  10/18/95       9:37 AM

Thanks Hugh for putting on the party, it was lots of fun.  I meet a lot of
interesting people there.  And as for you driveway, it was a piece of cake for
all of you that chickened out!

The ride home the next morning was great with very little traffic on Skyline
or 84.  Stopped in Livermore for Starbuck's coffee and a cinnamon roll before
heading on home.

Thanks for the complements on the full fairing, I really like it myself.  It
is made by Spec II in Sun Valley CA, their phone number is (800) 235-1236. 
The price was $650 including tax and shipping in 1992 when I bought it.  The
only thing I didn't like about it was the adjustable mounting brackets that
were ugly.  After I got the faring installed and aligned I removed the factory
mounting brackets one at a time and fabricated one piece replacements out of
aluminum.  This makes the installation look much cleaner.  The faring also
comes with a rectangular headlight to replace the stock one.

                                                  Roy Hanks  

                                             GRAVITY--"Natures way of
recycling...


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From jwright@commsoft.com Wed Oct 18 10:09 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats

>Brian McBrein wrote in a recent post about the poor fit of his Corbin seat.
>These guys have been getting flamed over on CompuServe lately, and I'm 
>wondering what some of the experiences on this list has been.
>

  I have a GunFighter with Lady for my Hawk, without the backrest,
and it's fine, except that the tab where the backrest is supposed to
go is slightly misplaced, too low on the back of the seat.  I mail
ordered my seat.  

  My dad, on the other hand, picked up a seat which was labeled 
"ZX-11D" at the Anaheim show last year, and when he got it home (to
Northridge, a considerable drive), it turned out to be a seat for
a ZX-11 "C" model, not the "D".  He (reasonably, I think) wanted them
to pay for him to ship the seat back for exchange with one for the "D"
model.  They refused to pay the shipping, even though the only reason
he got the wrong seat was that it was mislabeled at the show.

  He finally got his new seat, and it looks and feels great (mine looks 
and feels good too, worlds better than the stock Hawk seat), but 
overall he was so unhappy with their service that it's unlikely he'd
ever buy anything from them again.  I might, but if I do, I'll ride
down from Santa Cruz to Castroville and get the thing fitted in person.

                                                        Jim



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From jpl10@mfg.amdahl.com Wed Oct 18 10:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats

I've had a Corbin on my Hawk for about 3 years now and have had now problems
with it's fit or comfort.  Although I am fortunate in that Corbin is only an
hour ride south on 101, and I did ride in for a fitting/purchase, the seat
fit perfectly from the time they brought it out of the shop and never did
interfere with the paint.  Maybe I'm just lucky?!

James '89 "Ride Red" RC-31


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From hugh@bonair.stanford.edu Wed Oct 18 10:27 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: October 29th Ride

>>P.S. -- I'm organizing a Sunday morning ride and brunch fairly soon (before
>>the rains =() in the spirit of keeping everyone connected other than by
>>email.  Any suggestions for route choices?  Meet at Alice's?  10am or so?
>>Two Sundays from now (October 29th)?
>
>Uh, I'd love to join you guys/gals but Sunday October 29th is the anual
>City Bike 'Ducati Day' event (a.k.a. Duck orgy) held somewhere in
>the Napa Valley this year.  I'm committed to going with my two riding buds...
>who both ride them red I-talian machines.
>
>Me?  I'm a wanabe Duckster on my Hawk... wouldn't have it any other way,
>actually.
>
>Of course if we got an earlier start from Aice's, we could ride up and crash
>the party....

What time?  This sounds like a REALLY great idea!  A little swarm of Hawks
swooping down on all those fat, juicy Ducs...  Anyone else interested?

Hugh




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From MCBRIEN@UHPHYS.PHYS.UH.EDU Wed Oct 18 10:29 PDT 1995
Subject: mailing list

Hi Phil,

You're right, I'm not on the mailing list.  This stuff is all new to me.  I 
guess I'm computer illiterate when it comes to communicating.

All I have to do is ask nicely to get on the list?  PLEASE put me on the 
list.  On the other hand, I may be letting the genie out of the bottle by 
doing this.  My passion for motorcycles may prevent me from getting any 
work done-but what the hell.

Thanks,
Robert


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Wed Oct 18 11:24 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Pipes

> 
> someone wrote:
> 
> >>>TBR pipe with D&D can----  5K 34HP  redline 84HP
> 
> 	THIRTY-FOUR hp?  I hope that's a typo.

No, man, he said 34 at 5000RPM!!!  Note the 84HP at Redline!

84 is purty frigging respectable, considering that's pushing
F2 and F3 horsepower.


-Mike



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From mbateman@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us Wed Oct 18 13:22 PDT 1995
Subject: K&N Filter

I just talked to K&N and they told me that the part # given here earlier 
(K&N #HA-0005) is valid for the Hawk - but it's on "R&D hold" - it seems 
they shipped 39 and are going to be making some changes before resuming 
production.  IE - it's a new product.  He told me to keep checking back 
about every 10-15 weeks for status on that part number.  K&N's 800 number 
is 1-800-858-3333.

I'm new to this list - could someone direct e-mail me the consensus on 
best pipe for a street hawk - if there is one - :)

Thanks!

mIKE
'88 Hawk


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From briggsw@microsoft.com Wed Oct 18 14:37 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Corbin Seats

I bought one last winter for my streetbike (a Goof2).  It took about ten days 
longer to get it than I was told, but besides that, no problem.  It fit right 
up.  No problem at all.  I've been told that if they have what you want already 
in stock (I imagine they have a lot of Goof seats ready to go) then they are 
great to deal with, but if they have to go make it, it can take anywhere from 
1-6 months.

Briggs Willoughby                  88 Hawkf2
 briggsw@Microsoft.com      93 Goof2
Sand Point Race Team and Supper Club      WMRRA #925
"The grip on the right is the fun regulator"


----------
From: 	Mark M. Hatten[SMTP:102136.3317@compuserve.com]
Sent: 	Wednesday, October 18, 1995 9:05 AM
To: 	Anyone
Subject: 	Corbin Seats

Brian McBrein wrote in a recent post about the poor fit of his Corbin seat.
These guys have been getting flamed over on CompuServe lately, and I'm 
wondering
what some of the experiences on this list has been.

The prevailing opinion seems to be if you can go to one of their stores and 
have
them make the seat, you are okay.  But if you order it by mail, you seem to
really take a chance with fit and finish.  And I've heard horror stories about
their customer service (or lack of it).

I'm considering one of their seats for my Ducati 900SS, but I don't want to
spend premium bucks for an inferior product.  Any input?

Mark


Mark



y input?

Mark


Mark




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From Danny.Coady@NCR.OTTWPO.dfo-mpo.x400.gc.ca Wed Oct 18 15:38 PDT 1995
Subject: re: Pipe

>>No, man, he said 34 at 5000RPM!!!  Note the 84HP at Redline!
>>
>>84 is purty frigging respectable, considering that's pushing
>>F2 and F3 horsepower.
>>
>>-Mike

F2's are pushing aroung 90HP on a rear wheel dyno.  Was the 84HP mentioned above at the rear wheel  ?


Danny...


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From danac@leland.Stanford.EDU Wed Oct 18 15:40 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: October 29th Ride

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Hugh A. MacMullan IV wrote:

> >>P.S. -- I'm organizing a Sunday morning ride and brunch fairly soon (before
> >>the rains =() in the spirit of keeping everyone connected other than by
> >>email.  Any suggestions for route choices?  Meet at Alice's?  10am or so?
> >>Two Sundays from now (October 29th)?
> >
> >Uh, I'd love to join you guys/gals but Sunday October 29th is the anual
> >City Bike 'Ducati Day' event (a.k.a. Duck orgy) held somewhere in
> >the Napa Valley this year.  I'm committed to going with my two riding buds...
> >who both ride them red I-talian machines.
> >
> >Me?  I'm a wanabe Duckster on my Hawk... wouldn't have it any other way,
> >actually.
> >
> >Of course if we got an earlier start from Aice's, we could ride up and crash
> >the party....
> 
> What time?  This sounds like a REALLY great idea!  A little swarm of Hawks
> swooping down on all those fat, juicy Ducs...  Anyone else interested?
> 
> Hugh
> 
> 
> 
Temptation, temptation.  

Hmmmmmmm   What to do today?...  What to do?.....

:)


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Wed Oct 18 16:39 PDT 1995
Subject: re: Pipe

> 
> >>No, man, he said 34 at 5000RPM!!!  Note the 84HP at Redline!
> >>
> >>84 is purty frigging respectable, considering that's pushing
> >>F2 and F3 horsepower.
> >>
> >>-Mike
> 
> F2's are pushing aroung 90HP on a rear wheel dyno.  Was the 84HP mentioned above at the rear wheel  ?
> 

F2s were near 85, at least according to any stuff that I read.  The
F3, however, is pushing 90+ now.  Not sure as to the exact numbers
with Ram Air active, tho.


-Mike


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From khowar@mastnet.net Wed Oct 18 18:11 PDT 1995
Subject: two up on a Hawk

All of you masochists who want to ride two up on a Hawk (ouch)... take my
advice and immediately put a single seater tail piece on the Hawk and buy
another bike to haul the significant other (mine is a GSX1100G with a
Pichler fairing... no not the significant other, the bike).  Kelly 



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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Wed Oct 18 19:01 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: two up on a Hawk

> 
> All of you masochists who want to ride two up on a Hawk (ouch)... take my
> advice and immediately put a single seater tail piece on the Hawk and buy
> another bike to haul the significant other (mine is a GSX1100G with a
> Pichler fairing... no not the significant other, the bike).  Kelly 

Even better: sport ride two up on a Hawk.  Funfunfun!  

It's fine as long as you don't use your brakes.  (ouch! my nads!)

-Mike


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From goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us Wed Oct 18 20:09 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Hawk advice anyone?

On Mon, 16 Oct 1995 nhi377@abdn.ac.uk wrote:

> many tuning shops around here ]  Anyone know whether the Africa twin 750
> would fit? Is the Africa twin basically similar to the Hawk engine 
> (configuration, engine mounts etc) ?  Has anyone tried putting

My understanding is that the Africa Twin engine is a very easy swap.

> Kelly Howard mentioned having 64k miles on his Hawk.  Did the engine require
> any rebuilding during this milage?

In one of his original posts, he said he has never touched the inside.

> Finally, someone mentioned the watanabe carbon fiber tank.  Does this have a
> larger capacity than stock?

5 BIG gallons!!!



Matt/OH                            goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us
89 Hawk GT (street)                76025.1535@compuserve.com
89 EX 500  (racebike)




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From ronrad@microsoft.com Wed Oct 18 21:55 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Pipe



----------
From: 	Mike Nielsen[SMTP:greaney@ee.unr.edu]
> F2's are pushing aroung 90HP on a rear wheel dyno.  Was the 84HP mentioned 
above at the rear wheel  ?
>

F2s were near 85, at least according to any stuff that I read.  The
F3, however, is pushing 90+ now.  Not sure as to the exact numbers
with Ram Air active, tho.



My roomates F2 with a TBR pipe and jet kit as only mods is pulling
92 at the rear wheel ...



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From GTRider9@aol.com Wed Oct 18 22:43 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats

In a message dated 95-10-18 12:23:23 EDT, 102136.3317@compuserve.com (Mark M.
Hatten) writes:

>Brian McBrein wrote in a recent post about the poor fit of his Corbin seat.
>These guys have been getting flamed over on CompuServe lately, and I'm
>wondering
>what some of the experiences on this list has been.

I ordered mine, waited a month, called a couple of times, then when it
showed, they'd forgotten to put the latch pin on.  I called them back up,
they sent me the pin, and I had to install it myself.

It does not fit as well as the stock seat--rubs the paint on the tail
section.  The upholstery has held up well, but the foam seems harder now than
it did at first (four years ago.)


------------------------------

From JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Thu Oct 19 00:04 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats

I have a Corbin Solo Gunfighter on my '88.  It looks good and fits and works
well.

JT


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From tbrking@twobros.com Thu Oct 19 00:07 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: 

At 2:27 PM 10/17/95, Shawn Downing wrote:

>Hey Craig E,
>
>Just so I don't sound stupid, how do you pronounce your last name?
>
>1) air - e - on
>or
>2) eer - e - on
>or
>3) none of the above
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------


If you guessed number 1... you win!!!  :-)

Oh boy, I better get to bed.


   Craig




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From tbrking@twobros.com Thu Oct 19 00:07 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: left exit TBR

At 1:35 PM 10/17/95, Craig Faison wrote:
>I just went to the TBR homepage (www.twobros.com) and checked out a photo of
>the left exit exhaust. My question is: is there a ground clearance issue
>when used for racing? Craig? I sure hope not 'cause I think I need this
>exhaust!
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Craig ol buddy... that all depends on if you're a leaner or not!

Seriously though, we do not recommend the lefty pipe for racing.




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From tbrking@twobros.com Thu Oct 19 00:07 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: left exit TBR

At 2:07 PM 10/17/95, David Mackintosh wrote:

>Wow, nice site!  Keep those Hawk pics coming!  How about a Hawk .wav, too?


That's a good idea. I'll do it!


   Craig




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From GTRider9@aol.com Thu Oct 19 00:37 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: New arrival...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

In a message dated 95-10-18 11:04:46 EDT, jel@walker.com (Jeff Leveroni)
writes:

>.a '92 Yamaha TZR250 now sits proudly next to my Hawk.

I'll see your TZR250, and raise you an XR400R (first ride'll be next Sunday!)

So there!

Dave

Well, I'm excited about it, anyway.


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From GTRider9@aol.com Thu Oct 19 00:48 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Pipes

In a message dated 95-10-18 00:04:35 EDT, gumby647@digital.net (David Weaver)
writes:

>stock bore J&E pistons

Why the stock bore?  CCS rules?

Are you goin' to Daytona? If so, good luck!

Dave


------------------------------

From GTRider9@aol.com Thu Oct 19 00:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Clip-ons and shorter cables

In a message dated 95-10-18 07:12:43 EDT, mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David
Mackintosh) writes:

>My problem is with the control cables.  Everything works OK (after 
>lubing) but the clutch and throttle cables are now about 4" too long,

Motion Pro can make any kind or length of cable you want and it will look
just like the original.  If you can't find their number, give me a shout and
I'll dig it out for you.

Dave


------------------------------

From AGault@aol.com Thu Oct 19 03:17 PDT 1995
Subject: test

i havent recieved any responses to my last couple postings  have loys to say
 can somebody please let me know if they get this


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From doneill@pioneer.uspto.gov Thu Oct 19 06:46 PDT 1995
Subject: disk lock faux pas

Hi all.
last night, I left my disk lock on the spokes of the back wheel on my '89 
Hawk and tried to ride it home. :-(  Needless to say, I encountered some 
major vibration.  One of the spokes was dinged up a bit, the caliper was 
dinged up a bit and the plastic disk guard was slightly bent.  Other than 
those problems, nothing else is visible.

This morning, after about 5 minutes of riding (~45 degrees) I took the 
choke off.  I then made turn at an intersection, leaned over, rolled on 
the throttle, and there was some hesitation and then an abrupt delivery 
of power.  This had me doing my Jay Springsteen impression on cold tires 
with the throttle open for fear of the dreaded high-side.  The abrupt 
carburation occurs around 2500-3500 RPM.  

Anybody run into this problem?  Anybody have a stock Hawk rear wheel 
they'd like to part with?  (The damage really isn't noticeable, but if I 
can get a good deal, what the heck...)

Any advice would be appreciated.

Dave
'93 ZX11D
'89 Hawk GT
'80 GS450E


------------------------------

From greaney@ee.unr.edu Thu Oct 19 07:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Clip-ons and shorter cables

> 
> In a message dated 95-10-18 07:12:43 EDT, mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David
> Mackintosh) writes:
> 
> >My problem is with the control cables.  Everything works OK (after 
> >lubing) but the clutch and throttle cables are now about 4" too long,
> 
> Motion Pro can make any kind or length of cable you want and it will look
> just like the original.  If you can't find their number, give me a shout and
> I'll dig it out for you.

  YES!!!!! What's the number?   I've been having this dilemna
for a looooong time now.

Thanks,

Mike


------------------------------

From rzimdars@camtronics.com Thu Oct 19 08:04 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: disk lock faux pas

     David,
     
     Any chance you just _thought_ you were riding your Hawk but were 
     really on your ZX11? That would account for the unanticipated power...
     
     Seriously, congrats on saving the slide. Things could have been worse.
     
     RobbZ


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: disk lock faux pas
Author:  "David O'Neill"  at internet
Date:    10/19/95 9:20 AM


Hi all.
last night, I left my disk lock on the spokes of the back wheel on my '89 
Hawk and tried to ride it home. :-(  Needless to say, I encountered some 
major vibration.  One of the spokes was dinged up a bit, the caliper was 
dinged up a bit and the plastic disk guard was slightly bent.  Other than 
those problems, nothing else is visible.
     
This morning, after about 5 minutes of riding (~45 degrees) I took the 
choke off.  I then made turn at an intersection, leaned over, rolled on 
the throttle, and there was some hesitation and then an abrupt delivery 
of power.  This had me doing my Jay Springsteen impression on cold tires 
with the throttle open for fear of the dreaded high-side.  The abrupt 
carburation occurs around 2500-3500 RPM.  
     
Anybody run into this problem?  Anybody have a stock Hawk rear wheel 
they'd like to part with?  (The damage really isn't noticeable, but if I 
can get a good deal, what the heck...)
     
Any advice would be appreciated.
     
Dave
'93 ZX11D
'89 Hawk GT
'80 GS450E



------------------------------

From cfaison@magpage.com Thu Oct 19 08:13 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: disk lock faux pas

>Hi all.
>last night, I left my disk lock on the spokes of the back wheel on my '89 
>Hawk and tried to ride it home. :-(  Needless to say, I encountered some 
>major vibration.  One of the spokes was dinged up a bit, the caliper was 
>dinged up a bit and the plastic disk guard was slightly bent.  Other than 
>those problems, nothing else is visible.


Um, if you could ride it home with the disk lock in, only suffering
vibration and some cosmetic damage, would you be a happy thief?

Was the disk lock there for storage or to lock the bike?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Craig D. Faison                         phone 302.325.5737
Kodak Imaging Services                  fax 302.322.2233
259 Quigley Blvd., Suite E              Email cfaison@magpage.com
New Castle, DE 19720                    http://www.magpage.com/~cfaison/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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On occasion I write short stories about true events.  One awhile back
was about the Hawk.  On the way to work I stopped at Home Depot. 
While I was in shopping somebody had a overheating problem and eventually
somebody from the store came out and washed down the parking lot.  
Well, it had not rained in a while, and the wash picked up the 
coolant and a pile of oil spooge and sent it toward the road.  

The access to Home Depot here in Santa Ana is not direct, but by a S-shaped
access road.  Home Depot also serves as a labor market -- dozens of 
young hispanic men stand around waiting for contractors to offer them a
day's work.

The stage was set.  I come out in my full Vanson suite, put on my helmet
and gloves and drive right in to water.  Heck, I was going slow because
I thought there might be a bit of a problem.  It was just like a huge
oilspill.  In second gear with a bit of throttle I went to full lock
powerslide, slammed down my foot, brought it back up and then hit the
dry.  Wheelspin to big wheelie, right in the middle of the S turn.
There is a light at the end of the S; I managed to get everything
under control, back on the ground and stopped at the stop line.

The crowd of young men right there stood up and clapped.  Not really
what I wanted to do, but....

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x258		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x258	 92704       DoD:1097




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On occasion I write short stories about true events.  One awhile back
was about the Hawk.  On the way to work I stopped at Home Depot. 
While I was in shopping somebody had a overheating problem and eventually
somebody from the store came out and washed down the parking lot.  
Well, it had not rained in a while, and the wash picked up the 
coolant and a pile of oil spooge and sent it toward the road.  

The access to Home Depot here in Santa Ana is not direct, but by a S-shaped
access road.  Home Depot also serves as a labor market -- dozens of 
young hispanic men stand around waiting for contractors to offer them a
day's work.

The stage was set.  I come out in my full Vanson suite, put on my helmet
and gloves and drive right in to water.  Heck, I was going slow because
I thought there might be a bit of a problem.  It was just like a huge
oilspill.  In second gear with a bit of throttle I went to full lock
powerslide, slammed down my foot, brought it back up and then hit the
dry.  Wheelspin to big wheelie, right in the middle of the S turn.
There is a light at the end of the S; I managed to get everything
under control, back on the ground and stopped at the stop line.

The crowd of young men right there stood up and clapped.  Not really
what I wanted to do, but....

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x258		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x258	 92704       DoD:1097



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On occasion I write short stories about true events.  One awhile back
was about the Hawk.  On the way to work I stopped at Home Depot. 
While I was in shopping somebody had a overheating problem and eventually
somebody from the store came out and washed down the parking lot.  
Well, it had not rained in a while, and the wash picked up the 
coolant and a pile of oil spooge and sent it toward the road.  

The access to Home Depot here in Santa Ana is not direct, but by a S-shaped
access road.  Home Depot also serves as a labor market -- dozens of 
young hispanic men stand around waiting for contractors to offer them a
day's work.

The stage was set.  I come out in my full Vanson suite, put on my helmet
and gloves and drive right in to water.  Heck, I was going slow because
I thought there might be a bit of a problem.  It was just like a huge
oilspill.  In second gear with a bit of throttle I went to full lock
powerslide, slammed down my foot, brought it back up and then hit the
dry.  Wheelspin to big wheelie, right in the middle of the S turn.
There is a light at the end of the S; I managed to get everything
under control, back on the ground and stopped at the stop line.

The crowd of young men right there stood up and clapped.  Not really
what I wanted to do, but....

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x258		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x258	 92704       DoD:1097



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From stuart_hayashida@smtpgwy.centre.com Thu Oct 19 08:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re[2]: disk lock faux pas

I knew the little sticker that came with the disk lock wouldn't be enough, so I 
bought one of those keychains that connect two key rings together.  One has the 
ignition key on it, and the other has the disk lock key.  When I ride, I 
separate the two (don't want to scratch the triple clamp).  When I park, I 
rejoin them.  I find that having to separate the two when I'm ready to ride 
again serves as a reminder to me that the lock is on the disk.  Works for me, 
anyway.  FWIW.

Stuart

Subject: disk lock faux pas
Author:  "David O'Neill"  at internet 
Date:    10/19/95 9:20 AM


Hi all.
last night, I left my disk lock on the spokes of the back wheel on my '89 
Hawk and tried to ride it home. :-(  Needless to say, I encountered some 
major vibration.  One of the spokes was dinged up a bit, the caliper was 
dinged up a bit and the plastic disk guard was slightly bent.  Other than 
those problems, nothing else is visible.

This morning, after about 5 minutes of riding (~45 degrees) I took the 
choke off.  I then made turn at an intersection, leaned over, rolled on 
the throttle, and there was some hesitation and then an abrupt delivery 
of power.  This had me doing my Jay Springsteen impression on cold tires 
with the throttle open for fear of the dreaded high-side.  The abrupt 
carburation occurs around 2500-3500 RPM.  

Anybody run into this problem?  Anybody have a stock Hawk rear wheel 
they'd like to part with?  (The damage really isn't noticeable, but if I 
can get a good deal, what the heck...)

Any advice would be appreciated.

Dave
'93 ZX11D
'89 Hawk GT
'80 GS450E




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On occasion I write short stories about true events.  One awhile back
was about the Hawk.  On the way to work I stopped at Home Depot. 
While I was in shopping somebody had a overheating problem and eventually
somebody from the store came out and washed down the parking lot.  
Well, it had not rained in a while, and the wash picked up the 
coolant and a pile of oil spooge and sent it toward the road.  

The access to Home Depot here in Santa Ana is not direct, but by a S-shaped
access road.  Home Depot also serves as a labor market -- dozens of 
young hispanic men stand around waiting for contractors to offer them a
day's work.

The stage was set.  I come out in my full Vanson suite, put on my helmet
and gloves and drive right in to water.  Heck, I was going slow because
I thought there might be a bit of a problem.  It was just like a huge
oilspill.  In second gear with a bit of throttle I went to full lock
powerslide, slammed down my foot, brought it back up and then hit the
dry.  Wheelspin to big wheelie, right in the middle of the S turn.
There is a light at the end of the S; I managed to get everything
under control, back on the ground and stopped at the stop line.

The crowd of young men right there stood up and clapped.  Not really
what I wanted to do, but....

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x258		      Santa Ana CA
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On occasion I write short stories about true events.  One awhile back
was about the Hawk.  On the way to work I stopped at Home Depot. 
While I was in shopping somebody had a overheating problem and eventually
somebody from the store came out and washed down the parking lot.  
Well, it had not rained in a while, and the wash picked up the 
coolant and a pile of oil spooge and sent it toward the road.  

The access to Home Depot here in Santa Ana is not direct, but by a S-shaped
access road.  Home Depot also serves as a labor market -- dozens of 
young hispanic men stand around waiting for contractors to offer them a
day's work.

The stage was set.  I come out in my full Vanson suite, put on my helmet
and gloves and drive right in to water.  Heck, I was going slow because
I thought there might be a bit of a problem.  It was just like a huge
oilspill.  In second gear with a bit of throttle I went to full lock
powerslide, slammed down my foot, brought it back up and then hit the
dry.  Wheelspin to big wheelie, right in the middle of the S turn.
There is a light at the end of the S; I managed to get everything
under control, back on the ground and stopped at the stop line.

The crowd of young men right there stood up and clapped.  Not really
what I wanted to do, but....

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x258		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x258	 92704       DoD:1097


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From doneill@pioneer.uspto.gov Thu Oct 19 09:04 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: disk lock faux pas


Actually, I was in a hurry and just used the disk lock as a visual 
deterrent. In hindsight, I should have put it on the disk itself.  Thanks 
for the advice, obviously you put your finger right on the cause, you're 
perceptive, etc., etc...  ("on a clear day you can forsee forever")  

Anyway-
my real question is about the hesitation.  Anyone exerience anything like 
this?  Getting on the gas later in the turn is not an option.

Dave
'93 ZX11D  (rear wheel steer trainer)
'89 Hawk GT
'80 GS450ET (this one's my favorite)

On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Craig Faison wrote:

> >Hi all.
> >last night, I left my disk lock on the spokes of the back wheel on my '89 
> >Hawk and tried to ride it home. :-(  Needless to say, I encountered some 
> >major vibration.  One of the spokes was dinged up a bit, the caliper was 
> >dinged up a bit and the plastic disk guard was slightly bent.  Other than 
> >those problems, nothing else is visible.
> 
> 
> Um, if you could ride it home with the disk lock in, only suffering
> vibration and some cosmetic damage, would you be a happy thief?
> 
> Was the disk lock there for storage or to lock the bike?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Craig D. Faison                         phone 302.325.5737
> Kodak Imaging Services                  fax 302.322.2233
> 259 Quigley Blvd., Suite E              Email cfaison@magpage.com
> New Castle, DE 19720                    http://www.magpage.com/~cfaison/
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> 
> 


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From creek@ascc01.ascc.att.com Thu Oct 19 09:08 PDT 1995
Subject: Right Coast Ride Hawk pics online


Well, after finally completing all of the scanning, cropping, and naming,
the Right Coast Ride pics are online.  Hawks accounted for a total of
5% of all the bikes there, and the Triangle DoD chapter brought ~10% of
the attendance and 3 of those Hawks, of which I am one.  'Nuff stats?

The URL is http://ziggy.csc.ncsu.edu/bikers.  It's just a big picture
repository.   The Hawk related pics are:

rcr40216.gif
rcr40232.gif
rcr40233.gif
rcr40234.gif
rcr40235.gif
rcr40413.gif (that's me and mine!)

Check them out.  If someone is running a Hawk page with pics, grab these,
because this is only a temporary location.

Toby

-- 
Tobin M. Creek - System Administrator
AT&T Advanced Software Construction Center
creek@ascc01.ascc.att.com - 919-380-4618 / 919-380-4518 fax


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From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Thu Oct 19 10:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Re[2]: disk lock faux pas



On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, stuart hayashida wrote:

> I knew the little sticker that came with the disk lock wouldn't be enough, so I 
> bought one of those keychains that connect two key rings together.  One has the 
> ignition key on it, and the other has the disk lock key.  When I ride, I 
> separate the two (don't want to scratch the triple clamp).  When I park, I 
> rejoin them.  I find that having to separate the two when I'm ready to ride 
> again serves as a reminder to me that the lock is on the disk.  Works for me, 
> anyway.  FWIW.
> 

A simple old twist-tie works also.  However, if one _depends_ on this
to remind one that one's disk lock is firmly attached to one's front
disk, and one has one's front turned sharply toward the steep downslope
exit, then one could drop one's bike in a parking lot if one forgets
the disk lock because one's keys are not attached to one another on one
particular day.  I *like* my bent brake lever.  My corbin seat stayed 
firmly attached.

Ellen Carrico			She is absolutely inadmissable into society.
ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us		Many a woman has a past, but I am told that
				she has at least a dozen, and that they
				all fit.  -- Oscar Wilde





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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Thu Oct 19 10:45 PDT 1995
Subject: Disk Lock Solution


I don't use one, but a friend does, and he attached a long string to his, 
and then a bright pink ponytail rubber-band to the end of that.  

When he puts the lock on, he then stretches out the string, and slips the 
rubber band over the brake or clutch lever.

Can't miss it.  It's a very visual reminder.  He wads the whole thing up 
and puts it in his pocket when he leaves.   


Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242
http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/



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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Thu Oct 19 11:34 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: two up on a Hawk

Hi Mike, on Oct 18 you wrote:

> > 
> > All of you masochists who want to ride two up on a Hawk (ouch)... take my
> > advice and immediately put a single seater tail piece on the Hawk and buy
> > another bike to haul the significant other (mine is a GSX1100G with a
> > Pichler fairing... no not the significant other, the bike).  Kelly 
> 
> Even better: sport ride two up on a Hawk.  Funfunfun!  
> 
> It's fine as long as you don't use your brakes.  (ouch! my nads!)
> 
> -Mike
> 

My wife and I have been riding two up on my(oops) "our" Hawk for over four
years!  I have to take it to the track so that I can ride it by myself and
that's only because they don't allow 2ups.  She is getting pretty brave
about it all...should be getting two knees down at a time soon.

Steve




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From giant!giant.IntraNet.com!steve@omega.IntraNet.com Thu Oct 19 11:40 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: disk lock faux pas

i took the advice of someone else on the list and went to the local
airport and picked up a "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" banner.  heavy,
long, and RED, it's attached to the disk lock with a simple steel
ring.  you can't miss it.  i store it in my shoulder bag.

	sa
	'88 blue, DoD #1032


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From AGault@aol.com Thu Oct 19 11:42 PDT 1995
Subject: stolen

last week about 2:00 in the morning i had the unhappy experence of having a
cop knock on my front door asking if i was missing a motorcycle, and guess
what  i was of course at that time i didnt know it.  I was lucky, they found
it a couple of miles down the hill.  all that was damaged was the lock
cylinder where they tried to force it and the bent the shifter linkege .  all
which was easy to fix.  the morel of this story is that you should always hae
your steering locked.  I live in one pf the nicest parts of town in a small
town.  People around here have never seen a hawk and they want it.  we have
to protect our babies.  Since then i park her on the porch and have a
bvaseball bat at the front door if my dog even barks somebody is gonna lose
there head    later


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From Kenneth.Lawas@analog.com Thu Oct 19 11:46 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: disk lock faux pas


>Hi all.
>last night, I left my disk lock on the spokes of the back wheel on my '89 
>Hawk and tried to ride it home. :-(  Needless to say, I encountered some 
>major vibration.  One of the spokes was dinged up a bit, the caliper was 
>dinged up a bit and the plastic disk guard was slightly bent.  Other than 
>those problems, nothing else is visible.


  Last year my girlfriend and I went out to eat in Harvard Square,
  taking my Yamaha.  Having a motorcycle in town is great--you can
  often find parking right in front of the door of the restaurant
  (finding car parking anywhere on the street is rare).  Unfortunately,
  I forgot about the chain lock running through the rear tire.  We got
  on the bike after dinner, in full view of the dozen or so people
  waiting to get in the restaurant.  I reved it up and unloaded the
  clutch as I was pulling my feet up on the pegs.  We got maybe eight
  inches when the suspension fully and violently compressed, and the
  bike tipped over flat on its side with both of us lying in the street
  (me still holding the bars) wondering what in the hell had happened.

  Very close to being my most embarrassing moment.

  -Ken
   kenneth.lawas@analog.com


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From Steve@hawk.dungeon.com Thu Oct 19 12:04 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Clip-ons and shorter cables

Hi Mike, on Oct 19 you wrote:

> > 
> > In a message dated 95-10-18 07:12:43 EDT, mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David
> > Mackintosh) writes:
> > 
> > >My problem is with the control cables.  Everything works OK (after 
> > >lubing) but the clutch and throttle cables are now about 4" too long,
> > 
> > Motion Pro can make any kind or length of cable you want and it will look
> > just like the original.  If you can't find their number, give me a shout and
> > I'll dig it out for you.
> 
>   YES!!!!! What's the number?   I've been having this dilemna
> for a looooong time now.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
The number please.

Steve




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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Thu Oct 19 12:10 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: (no subject)


Are you talking about the part on the page that says:


Somone on the Hawk List met up with Kevin Erion (formerly of Two Brothers
Racing) and he had this advice for beginning racers advice for beginning
racers.  ????

The page that I have there says that the person talked to Kevin, not
Craig.  And that person shows up as Doug Weibe. I know I didn't change
that part of the text.  So I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

If you have something you would like me to add or
change, let me know.  I'll add something about your meeting up with Craig 
if you'd like, but I don't have anything yet.

Phil


> Subject: (no subject)
> 
> -- 
> 
> Phil, that "person" that met up with Craig was me.  I had to work on
> him for about a year to get him to join the list.
> 
> Good page.
> 
> Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
>  Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
>   inhouse: frank@server, x258		      Santa Ana CA
>    outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x258	 92704       DoD:1097
> 
> 
> 

Phil Calvin                                                 HawkGT DoD#242
http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/



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From jel@walker.com Thu Oct 19 13:09 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk member list

     
     Hey Mike!
     
     So, ummm, when are we going to hear from you about the member list
     you volunteered to put together.  Not that I'm trying to make you
     feel guilty through public humilation or anything... ;^D
     
     Jeff



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 13:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: New arrival...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Hey fellas . . .
> 
> >.a '92 Yamaha TZR250 now sits proudly next to my Hawk.
> 
> I'll see your TZR250, and raise you an XR400R (first ride'll be next Sunday!)
> 
> So there!

Well, I dunno . . . does three of a kind win?  I should have ONW of these 
damn Hawks running next week . . .

DC



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From CABethel@aol.com Thu Oct 19 13:34 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: No Subject

If I were you I'd go back to Corbin again. This is an expensive product and
they should do what it takes to make it work. BTW, my Corbin solo seat fits
fine and feels great.


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From MEL1523@ACS.TAMU.EDU Thu Oct 19 13:40 PDT 1995
Subject: Stolen Hawk List


;last week about 2:00 in the morning i had the unhappy experence of having a
;cop knock on my front door asking if i was missing a motorcycle, and guess
;what  i was of course at that time i didnt know it.  I was lucky, they found
;it a couple of miles down the hill.  all that was damaged was the lock
;cylinder where they tried to force it and the bent the shifter linkege .  all
;which was easy to fix.  the morel of this story is that you should always hae
;your steering locked.  I live in one pf the nicest parts of town in a small
;town.  People around here have never seen a hawk and they want it.  we have
;to protect our babies.  Since then i park her on the porch and have a
;bvaseball bat at the front door if my dog even barks somebody is gonna lose
;there head    later

A while back, I put a new section on my web page..."Mitch's HawkGT Homepage" 
(http://www-chen.tamu.edu/homepage/MEL1523/hawkgt.htm) called the stolen 
Hawk list.  There was one added when someone posted something.  I'll add any 
bike to the list, not just HawtGT's.  Include any relevent info, like VIN 
number, distinguishing scratches.  Then we can all keep an eye out for them.

Email requests directly to me with a catchy title like STOLEN HAWK or 
something, because I'm on two mailing lists, and get alot of mail and I 
wouldn't want to miss it.

 - Mitch Loescher




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From DFJL@aol.com Thu Oct 19 13:52 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: disk lock faux pas

In a message dated 95-10-19 14:57:06 EDT, you write:

> Very close to being my most embarrassing moment.
>
>  -Ken
>   kenneth.lawas@analog.com

C,mon Ken, you gonna make us ask?  Sounds like your holding back a good story
!

Dave



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From DFJL@aol.com Thu Oct 19 14:23 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: ADD

In a message dated 95-10-19 16:43:01 EDT, you write:


>I sounded to me like you were a small-minded AOL user - clip

Yeah, so.

> assuming a particular
>operating system and a particular reader to view a piece of information.

Not a reader or even an OS, but yeah, ASCII.  I haven't run across a single
user on this list ( including Gereon ) that wasn't using English primarily
for the list, and virtually all English PC-based text is rooted in ASCII (
Even if no operating system adheres to it completely ).  

I was being both serious ( I really was surprised ) and FACETIOUSLY
small-minded.

I work with folks in Baesweiller, Germany via FAX and phone, and am not
ignorant nor intolerant of other languages, peoples, or their rights.

>Beside that, it had nothing to do with HawkGT and I intend to keep
>the HawkGT list for HawkGT use.

Well, glad to see you're enforcing the rigid confines of the list starting
with flagrant, bandwidth-wasting E-mail like my little comment, and letting
discussions of spamming, selling vans, full-lock power slides ( maybe it was
on a Hawk ?), and I can't recall how many subject-less postings I've deleted
as soon as it shows up because it's private references to others at maybe a
more recent time or place.
At least Gereon reponded politely, privately, and friendly to my post. It
wasn't lost on everyone, Frank.

>>Hey, quiet your naif.  AOL and all its faults are a small part of
>>the internet; keep that in mind.

Yeah, you really put me and all of us at AOL in our place. That's being
open-minded Frank.

Dave


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From <@gaudi.CSUFresno.EDU:tdp11@lennon.pub.csufresno.edu> Thu Oct 19 15:46 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: October 29th Ride

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Hugh A. MacMullan IV wrote:

> >>P.S. -- I'm organizing a Sunday morning ride and brunch fairly soon (before
> >>the rains =() in the spirit of keeping everyone connected other than by
> >>email.  Any suggestions for route choices?  Meet at Alice's?  10am or so?
> >>Two Sundays from now (October 29th)?
> >
> >Uh, I'd love to join you guys/gals but Sunday October 29th is the anual
> >City Bike 'Ducati Day' event (a.k.a. Duck orgy) held somewhere in
> >the Napa Valley this year.  I'm committed to going with my two riding buds...
> >who both ride them red I-talian machines.
> >
> >Me?  I'm a wanabe Duckster on my Hawk... wouldn't have it any other way,
> >actually.
> >
> >Of course if we got an earlier start from Aice's, we could ride up and crash
> >the party....
> 
> What time?  This sounds like a REALLY great idea!  A little swarm of Hawks
> swooping down on all those fat, juicy Ducs...  Anyone else interested?
> 
I'm interested...Just my bike out of the shop and am just looking for an 
excuse for a road trip!

Here's what I had done: MEZ1, MEZ2, CBR900RR shock, TBR Full fairing. I'm 
leaving for Illinois (to pick up an '84 RZ350) but will post a 
report when I return.

Todd


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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Thu Oct 19 15:55 PDT 1995
Subject: Fairing anyone???

Don't know for sure if this will fit a Hawk, but my bet is that the front
probably will.  The price is low enough to take a chance on it...


Scooter ecu@wsdot.wa.gov Thu Oct 19 12:49:26 PDT 1995 
For Sale: Complete set of Airtech bodywork for Ducati F1. Upper, lower,
windscreen and solo
tailsection. Unpainted. $125 plus shipping. Olympia, Washington 360-456-3766 


I found it at:
http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/classified/new.html

-- 
Phil Calvin                                                   HawkGT DoD#242
http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/




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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Thu Oct 19 16:19 PDT 1995
Subject: Corbin Seat and TBR Pipe for sale...

Apropos of our recent conversations, I found this for sale and though someone
might want it...

Corbin seat, Gunfighter & lady, for Honda NT650 Hawk GT. Brand new in box, $225
OBO. Call  407/546-8854. (FL). XP12-8854NDR 

And...

Two Brothers exhaust for Honda Hawk, like new $250. Call 614/862-8079 
XP11-8079EE3 

Found these at:

http://www.mshopper.eurografix.com/

in the parts section...

-- 
Phil Calvin                                                   HawkGT DoD#242
http://cmr.sph.unc.edu/~calvin/




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From JimDuc916@aol.com Thu Oct 19 18:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat and TBR Pipe for sale...

Well, if someone wants a corbin gunfighter and lady (w/out the backrest) I'll
sell one in perfect condition, red trim, for $150.
I'll put it in a box, too...
ciao,
jimd
716-688-4768


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Fri Oct 20 00:26 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Hawk member list

>      Hey Mike!
>      
>      So, ummm, when are we going to hear from you about the member list
>      you volunteered to put together.  Not that I'm trying to make you
>      feel guilty through public humilation or anything... ;^D

Yeah, got really busy in the move and re-association with school.

Soooo....  Here goes:  to add your name to the Hawk member list,
please follow these instructions CAREFULLY!!!  

Soon, you will receive a form letter from the Hawk list, with a format
that'll look very similar to the one you see below.  When you get this,
if you wanna be on the "who's who" list, simply send it back to me.
IT WILL NOT COME, NOR WILL IT BE RETURNED TO, THIS ADDRESS.  The e-mail
address I'll send it from will be my alter-ego address: nielsen@scs.unr.edu.
Please return it to that same address.  I get so much junk mail at
this address, I wouldn't want to inadvertantly toss your bio simply
because I fell asleep on the keyboard while sifting through my
spooge, and land my nose directly on the "d" key.

When the list at large approves of the format, then I'll go ahead and
beam the form to everyone (via HawkGT).  

Take a gander and tell me what you think:

Name
Location (physical)
	-or-
(postal mail address/phone number optional)
(age and occupation optional)
E-Mail address
Bike Year - Color
Modifications you or another owner has made
Other bikes you own, etc.
Any other interesting comments you may have.

For instance, here's mine:

Name: 		Mike Nielsen	
Address:	PO Box 13200
		Reno, NV  89507
Age:		22
Occupation:	Electrical Engineer - Hewlett Packard
E-mail address:	nielsen@scs.unr.edu
Year/Color:	'88 Blue
Mods:		Supertrapp, Honda jets, modded airbox, clip-ons
		Progressive springs, RR shock, 520 chain conversion
		kit, MEZ1 tires F/R  (110/80, 160/60)
Other bikes:	Ducati 916 (HA!! gotcha!)
Comments:	I have no life right now, although I'll be a real
		person in either Sacramento or SF here in 3 months.
		Gonna start racing AFM singles (FII) or Twins when
		I move again at Sears Point.  I like to bark at the
		moon when Jeff does stoppies and when Hugh wheelies.
		Sport a major woodrow for 2-smoke bikes, although I
		don't own one.  (as you can see, add any friggin
		stuff you want, but preferably a bit shorter
		for bandwidth reasons)

-or-

Name: 		Mike Nielsen	
Address:	Reno, NV
E-mail address:	nielsen@scs.unr.edu
Year/Color:	'88 Blew
Mods:		Supercrapp, Honda jets, wadded airbox, clip-ons
		Progressive springs, RRRRRRR shock, 520 chain conversion
		kit, MEZ1 tires F/R  (110/80, 160/60)

[note: no comments or other bikes listed]

(Come to think about it, the age/occupation sounds a bit too personal,
even for this list, where most of us know each other from one outing
or another.  I certainly wouldn't want anyone to know I was 15 and
worked for Taco Bell.... =)

NON HAWK OWNERS ARE MORE THAN ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEIR NAMES TO THE
LIST.  After all, you do contribute something, even if it is wasted
disk space; but we can't blame you, you aren't even cool enough
to own Hawks... ;-)  

The reason for the format is that I simply don't have time to
format it myself.  As it is, I've gotta get back into the swing
of CShell scripting to sort this stuff.  Also, PLEASE, PLEASE,
PLEASE, send the information to the e-mail address provided
above: nielsen@scs.unr.edu .  I'll have to ignore it if it
goes to any of my other umpteen zillion addresses.

Feel free to send this stuff as soon as you can or want to.  I won't
be officially compiling the list until early November, but I promise,
I'll get to it ASAP (damn, I hate school sometimes =).  

Feel free to send comments to me at THIS address (greaney@ee.unr.edu),
but again, PLEASE, don't send the form letter to this address.  There
will be explicit instructions on the form letter, and it'll probably
include a header file I can seek out and destroy using some sort
of auto-scripter-header-yanker (ack! =).

IF ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THIS FORMAT, LEMME KNOW SOON!!  I DON'T
CLAIM TO KNOW EVERYTHING (or anything, for that matter), so please
don't expect the format to be perfect, although it looks vaguely
similar to the one we had long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away.

Other than that, fire away!  I'll do my best to format this stuff
alphabetically by last name, and possibly by region (if time 
permits, of course).


C-ya!!!!  Time to sleep.....

Mike


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From mstiv@postoffice.ptd.net Fri Oct 20 04:50 PDT 1995
Subject: turnsignals/grab handles

Hi All -

So I've been scanning some catalogues for some new turnsignals (gotta
replace those HUGE stock things!).  A friend gave me a copy of the White
Bros. Cat .  They had a few small stalk turnsignals that looked OK - then
in the fine print of the ad it said "These are NOT DOT approved for use as
turnsignals".  What is this about!  What the @@##$ are you supposed to do
with them, hang 'em on a Christmas tree!!??

If anybody as any specific recommendations for smaller turnsignals, please
let me know.

Also - I remember a few of you on this list saying you removed the
passenger grab handles.  How did you do it (just cut the things off?)?
What did you do with the seat release latch?

Thanx in advance.

CU -

Mike Stivala
mstiv@postoffice.ptd.net

\=====\=====\=====\=====\=====\=====|=====/=====/=====/=====/=====/
\      1989      |  Oh, sure - I could write something cool and   /
      HAWK GT    |     creative here, but you wouldn't care
/  RED (for now) |               so why bother!                   \
/=====/=====/=====/=====/=====/=====|=====\=====\=====\=====\=====\








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From rzimdars@camtronics.com Fri Oct 20 05:24 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk for sale

     Found this one on the net this morning.
     
     1989 Honda Hawk. red, raced, HRC, 2bros pipe, chagong clip-ons and 
     aluminum subframe, RC-30 tailsection,
     currently in street trim. all stock parts. $2200.00
     
     Email : patrick@utkux.utcc.utk.edu
     Phone : (423)499-0310
     City : chattanooga
     State : tn
     
     ========================
     
     RobbZ
     '88 Hawk GT/'90 Katana 1100



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From rzimdars@camtronics.com Fri Oct 20 05:40 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: turnsignals/grab handles

     Mike,
     
     I just finished cutting my grab rails off (sounds painfull, no?) and 
     it really looks much better now. I used a couple grinding wheels (@ 
     3-4" dia x 1/4" thick) in a drill to grind through the steel, then a 
     file and sandpaper to smooth out the rails. Takes a little time, but 
     worth it IMHO. Plus, I've dropped a whole whopping pound for my 
     effort.
     
     This week I'll be buffing out the subframe (I've also trimmed several 
     other wiring tabs off, as this is strictly a track bike). Then a coat 
     of clear to fend off corrosion and bolt'er back together.
     
     I removed the seat latch handle and short cable. The latch itself is 
     still accessible from the underside of the seat, just reach up there 
     and pull it to the side. Running a bolt and nut through might give you 
     more to grab onto.
     
     RobbZ
     rzimdars@camtronics.com


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: turnsignals/grab handles
Author:  mstiv@postoffice.ptd.net (Mike) at internet
Date:    10/20/95 7:36 AM


Hi All -
     
So I've been scanning some catalogues for some new turnsignals (gotta 
replace those HUGE stock things!).  A friend gave me a copy of the White 
Bros. Cat .  They had a few small stalk turnsignals that looked OK - then 
in the fine print of the ad it said "These are NOT DOT approved for use as 
turnsignals".  What is this about!  What the @@##$ are you supposed to do 
with them, hang 'em on a Christmas tree!!??
     
If anybody as any specific recommendations for smaller turnsignals, please 
let me know.
     
Also - I remember a few of you on this list saying you removed the 
passenger grab handles.  How did you do it (just cut the things off?)? 
What did you do with the seat release latch?
     
Thanx in advance.
     
CU -
     
Mike Stivala
mstiv@postoffice.ptd.net
     
\=====\=====\=====\=====\=====\=====|=====/=====/=====/=====/=====/ 
\      1989      |  Oh, sure - I could write something cool and   /
      HAWK GT    |     creative here, but you wouldn't care
/  RED (for now) |               so why bother!                   \ 
/=====/=====/=====/=====/=====/=====|=====\=====\=====\=====\=====\
     
     
     
     
     
     



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From cfaison@magpage.com Fri Oct 20 06:29 PDT 1995
Subject: east coast party

Sorry all (hanging my head in shame) but I'm gonna have to nix the party idea.
Partly due to minimal response (3 people), and partly due to an extremely
busy schedule, and partly due to a really messy house, and partly...

please don't beat me...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Craig D. Faison                         phone 302.325.5737
Kodak Imaging Services                  fax 302.322.2233
259 Quigley Blvd., Suite E              Email cfaison@magpage.com
New Castle, DE 19720                    http://www.magpage.com/~cfaison/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From creek@ascc01.ascc.att.com Fri Oct 20 08:38 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: turnsignals/grab handles

On Oct 20,  7:43am, Zimdars, Robb wrote:
> Subject: Re: turnsignals/grab handles
>      Mike,
>
>      I just finished cutting my grab rails off (sounds painfull, no?) and
>      it really looks much better now. I used a couple grinding wheels (@
>      3-4" dia x 1/4" thick) in a drill to grind through the steel, then a
>      file and sandpaper to smooth out the rails. Takes a little time, but
>      worth it IMHO. Plus, I've dropped a whole whopping pound for my
>      effort.

ACCCCKKK!!!  The original owner of my bike did this very same thing, and
I have hated his guts ever since.  Since yours is going to a be an exclusive
track bike, I don't guess that you really worry about this, but I would
have traded you a perfectly good already hacked subframe to avoid this.
I finally got a subframe (courtesy of Brian Summers) that has the helmet
lock and grab rails and I can't believe how much I LIKE that stuff.  My turn
signals were mounted to the black plastic near the license plate and did
nothing but flop around.  Now they don't.

>      RobbZ
>      rzimdars@camtronics.com

To anyone else thinking of doing this... spare your perfectly good parts
and I will trade you an already modified subframe for free.

Toby

-- 
Tobin M. Creek - System Administrator
AT&T Advanced Software Construction Center
creek@ascc01.ascc.att.com - 919-380-4618 / 919-380-4518 fax


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From rzimdars@camtronics.com Fri Oct 20 09:22 PDT 1995
Subject: grab rails and turnsignals

     
     Mike,
     
     Wow, didn't mean to make anyone cringe out there. Different strokes, I 
     guess. To anyone else considering this mod, take Mike up on his offer; 
     doing a decent job of this takes longer than you'd think. I actually 
     thought that subframe was aluminum until I took it off, and then 
     realized it was steel painted to look like aluminum.
     
     As a side note, the bike is still very easy to lift onto the 
     centerstand by the subframe _without_ using the handles. I verified 
     this before cutting the handles and removing the centerstand.
     
     As to the helmet lock, these will deter only the most lethargic 
     theives. When I leave my streetbike, I stretch a coiled cable through 
     the chinbar and then through the back wheel. Voila, the bike and 
     helmet are both immobile. I also run the cable through the sleeve of 
     my leather jacket to secure to the bike.
     
     RobbZ



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From Rutsch@aol.com Fri Oct 20 09:23 PDT 1995
Subject: Help!  split-fire problem

I installed split fire spark plugs (desiring flame throwers inside my
cylinders)in my hawk, and had a problem.  After about 3 miles, the engine
started acting like it was losing a cylinder, then it did lose a cylinder,
then the other cylinder died as well.  I pulled 3 of the 4 plugs, and they
looked wet, but absolutely did not smell like gas.  The insulators below the
electrode were still pristine (3 miles), though one did appear to have a
brown mark that appeared to be as if a spark struck that side of the
insulator.  Upon re-installing the plugs, the bike wouldn't start.  15
minutes later (cool down) the bike started, and had the same problem after
about 1.75 miles.  Luckily, it was all down-hill from there and I was able to
coast home.  

Please advise
Max


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