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Todays Topics:

Subject: 88 Hawk GT For Sale
Subject: Re: tire size
Subject: Re: carb. pilot screws
Subject: Corbin seat and partial fairing
Subject: Decisions, decisions!
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!
Subject: Joining the Hawk GT mail list
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!
Subject: Airbox spooge!
Subject: Re: Airbox spooge!
Subject: Test Message
Subject: Test Message
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!
Subject:       HRC jet kit
Subject: Re: HRC jet kit
Subject: New Ones
Subject: Chain Lube
Subject: RE: tire size
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: New Ones
Subject: New Ones
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: New Ones
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: Chain Lube
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: Mailing list
Subject: Chain Lube
Subject: RE: Motorcycle Weekend.
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: While we're on the topic . . . (was: chain lube)
Subject: Re: While we're on the topic ...
Subject: re: Decisions, decisions!
Subject: Misc
Subject: Misc
Subject: Misc
Subject: Misc
Subject: Returned mail: Deferred
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: Chain Lube
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: Re: While we're on the topic . . . (was: chain lube)
Subject: RC-31 pic on the web
Subject: general info
Subject: Test Message
Subject: Pro-Tek
Subject: Re: While we're on the topic . . . (was: chain lube)
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: subscription
Subject: Re: Pro-Tek
Subject: the hawk
Subject: Valve job/valve cover from hell
Subject: brake pads
Subject: Wind Protection
Subject: Re: brake pads
Subject: Bars
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: WWW page
Subject: Re: brake pads
Subject: Help!  Stubborn allen head 
Subject: Re: brake pads
Subject: Fairings
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head 
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: brake pads
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head 
Subject: Chapparal
Subject: Mailing list
Subject: Re: Chapparal
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: Chapparal
Subject: List Request
Subject: hawkgt motorcycle discusion list
Subject: Re:  Bars
Subject: Re: hawkgt motorcycle discusi...
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head
Subject: Re: hawkgt motorcycle discusi...
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level
Subject: help
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level
Subject: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level
Subject: Mailing List
Subject: Corbin Seat
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: HAWKGT
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat
Subject: [Q] F2 front end
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: Wanted !! Corbin Seat
Subject: Speaking of Leathers
Subject: 92 nighthawk 750
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: noise help
Subject: Notes on seat et leathers
Subject: Notes on seat et leathers
Subject: Notes on seat et leathers
Subject: Re: Speaking of Leathers
Subject: Pipe & Jet kit
Subject: Leathers
Subject: Hawk parts available
Subject: F.Y.I. on Hawk FS@dealer in chicago
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: Corbin/ No Sale
Subject: A Bunch of Things
Subject: 92 nighthawk 750
Subject: noise help
Subject: re: speaking of leathers
Subject: Noise Help
Subject: Back Issues of Hawkgt?
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: noise help
Subject: Re: Notes on seat et leathers
Subject: Leathers
Subject: RE: Speaking of Leathers
Subject: re: speaking of leathers
Subject: Re[2]: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: Notes on seat et leathers
Subject: Fwd: FRAM oil filter recalls
Subject: Re: Hawk parts available
Subject: Re: HAWK GT parts and suppliers Info
Subject: stoppies
Subject: Re: stoppies
Subject: Valve clearance adjustment
Subject: Re: stoppies
Subject: FS: '89 Honda Hawk
Subject: Re: Valve clearance adjustment
Subject: Re: FS: '89 Honda Hawk
Subject: Excellent Hawk for Sale
Subject: Re: FS: '89 Honda Hawk
Subject: Re: stoppies
Subject: Re:  stoppies
Subject: Re:  stoppies
Subject: Re: stoppies
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit
Subject: Re: F.Y.I. on Hawk FS@dealer in chicago
Subject: Re: stoppies
Subject: Aftermarket exhausts
Subject: Re: stoppies, stories
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit
Subject: Re: Aftermarket exhausts
Subject: Hawk Parts and Suppliers FAQ
Subject: Wheelies
Subject: Hawk Prices
Subject: Re: Hawk Prices
Subject: FS. Spec II slip on
Subject: Re: Web page update
Subject: Re: Aftermarket exhausts
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit
Subject: RE: stoppies
Subject: Tank Cover
Subject: Re: A Bunch of Things
Subject: please remove me
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit
Subject: RE: stoppies
Subject: Re: Tank Cover
Subject: MailingList
Subject: RE: Tank Cover
Subject: Re: Aftermarket exhausts
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit
Subject:  WTB:  Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area 
Subject: Re: WTB: Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area 
Subject: Re[2]: WTB: Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area
Subject: mail list
Subject: Re: HAWKGT
Subject: hawk apparel
Subject: Parts bike for sale
Subject: Re: hawk apparel
Subject: Re: WTB: Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area 
Subject: Re: Parts bike for sale
Subject: Hawks and parts for sale
Subject: Re: WTB: Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area 
Subject: Re: Parts bike for sale
Subject: Re: Parts
Subject: Wierd carb problem
Subject: The Alpha A.B.S. 
Subject: ABS
Subject: Killer Hawk Price!!!
Subject: Re: The Alpha A.B.S. 
Subject: Re: Hawk Pricing
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem
Subject: Wierd Carb Problem
Subject: RE: Wierd carb problem
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem (fwd)
Subject: Emission removal
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem
Subject: Re: Emission removal
Subject: Re: Emission removal
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem (fwd)
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem (fwd)
Subject: Accessories
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem (fwd)
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem & exhaust
Subject: Filters and Exhausts...
Subject: What exactly is a Hawk?
Subject: Filters and Exhausts...
Subject: Re: 
Subject: Hawks.
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem & exhaust
Subject: RE: Emission removal
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem & exhaust
Subject: Parts is parts
Subject: Uhh... oops.
Subject: Re: What exactly is a Hawk?
Subject: Touring possibilities...
Subject: Re: What exactly is a Hawk?
Subject: Re: Touring possibilities...
Subject: TEsting again
Subject: Thanks for responding
Subject: '88 Hawk for sale
Subject: Rich???
Subject: Re: Rich or Lean??
Subject: Hawk FS in Austin
Subject: Seen on wreck.moto
Subject: Ack!  Quit it!!
Subject: Re[2]: Touring possibilities...
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Touring possibilities...
Subject: Hawk and parts for sale
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Touring possibilities...
Subject: Thanks for help
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Touring possibilities...
Subject: Tanks, again.
Subject: Paint
Subject: Re: Tanks, again.
Subject: Re: Tanks, again.
Subject: Larger Hawk Tank
Subject: Re:  Tanks, again.
Subject: Re: Paint
Subject: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?
Subject: Re: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?
Subject: Re: Paint
Subject: headlight problem
Subject: Re: headlight problem
Subject: Tanks and Hawks
Subject: Re: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?
Subject: Re: headlight problem
Subject: Re: headlight problem
Subject: Re: headlight problems
Subject: Hawk GT mailing list
Subject: Gas milage per tank survey
Subject: Oil question
Subject: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: Re: headlight problem 
Subject: what octane gas to use?
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: Re: headlight problem
Subject: Re: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?
Subject: Re[2]: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?
Subject: Re: Tanks, again.
Subject: Re: Gas milage per tank survey
Subject: Re: what octane gas to use?
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: Re: headlight problem
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: RE: Paint
Subject: HawkGT mailer problem
Subject: Re:Milage/top speed/oil
Subject: Re: Re:  Tanks, again.
Subject: Re:  Tanks, again.
Subject: Re: headlight problem
Subject: Re: Oil question
Subject: Headlight Problem
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: F2 front wheel
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: Re: F2 front wheel
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: Paint...
Subject: Hawk-less
Subject: Mailing list
Subject: HawkGT Homepage
Subject: hawk speedo light
Subject: Re: Re:Milage/top speed/oil
Subject: mailing list

Administriva:

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From rmorgan@cam.org Sat Apr  1 17:26 PST 1995
Subject: 88 Hawk GT For Sale

I'm selling my Hawk. Don't really want to, but I need the $$$ to buy my 
new bike.

Anyway, it's an 88, black, 17000km (<11000 miles). Extra equipment includes:

	- Corbin gunfighter seat (black with red piping)
	- Two Brothers exhaust and carb kit
	- Progressive fork springs
	- ME55/33 tires, about 1000 miles on them
	- Protek 520 chain conversion, RK chain, installed this weekend

All removed stock parts included.

The bike has had one owner (me!), has never been raced, and is located in
Montreal. 

Best offer over $2500 US or $3500 Cdn. If it doesn't go in the next ten 
days by private sale, it's going to the dealer.

If I could keep it and still buy the new bike, I would. You'll be 
stealing my baby.

- Rob


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From Gumby647@aol.com Sat Apr  1 18:24 PST 1995
Subject: Re: tire size

  Jae,

  The 120/60 front is too wide for the 2-1/2" wheel. Metzler makes a 
MEZ1 110/80 SHP that works good. This is what I was running on 
race bike. They also make a MEZ1 110/70 race compound, but it's
probably softer than you want. The 160/60 is perfect for the rear.

                                                             Gumby


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From Gumby647@aol.com Sat Apr  1 18:24 PST 1995
Subject: Re: carb. pilot screws

     Terry,

   The HRC jet kit comes with new slow jets though I don't remember
what size.  Next time I'm at the shop I'll look and post it to the list.


                                                            
              Gumby



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From waxbox@mindspring.com Sun Apr  2 13:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Corbin seat and partial fairing

Not a lot of Hawks sold in the Atlanta area; in fact, mine is the only one
I've seen in the last couple of years. I've been very happy with it since I
bought it new in 1988, however, the stock seat hurts my butt after about 60
miles and, although I bought it for its retro looks, the lack of any fairing
at all allows me to get real cold in the winter. Could I get some comments
about Corbin and/or some sort of quarter fairings? How hard are they to
install and who makes them. Obviously Corbin makes Corbin saddles, but who
makes fairings?

WAC '88 grey



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From Vmac9@aol.com Sun Apr  2 13:27 PDT 1995
Subject: Decisions, decisions!

Okay, now I'm getting frustrated!  I decided a couple months ago that this
was the year I finally got back into biking -- I thought about a Sportster,
since at $4995 it's one of the best bargains in motorcycling.  Of course,
that was before I realized that you can't get anywhere near MSRP on any
Harley.  So supply and demand kept me away from that -- plus, I really want a
sportier bike.  I then went through a period of looking for a GB500, an SRX6,
or a BSA Lightning.  All of which are next to impossible to find here in the
south (at least ones in very good to excellent condition).  Furthermore, I
decided that they would be to small for the kind of riding I would be doing.
 

So, I then I figured the Hawk would be a perfect choice.  Sporty handling and
riding position, better performance and slightly larger than the singles or
BSAs I was thinking about, and not real expensive.  Two problems -- 1)
finding a clean one is turning out to be nearly as hard as finding any of the
other bikes.  2) (and finally the point of this e-mail!) I just noticed a
couple posts that pointed out the incredibly short range the Hawk has!  Is it
really only 110-120 miles on the highway?  This is very discouraging as it
almost eliminates any long-range riding (what other kind is there!).  Anyone
getting significantly better?  Say 150 miles to a tank+reserve?

Thanks,
Vance -- looking for a very clean blue Hawk...  


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From cscops2@cscops2.Ebay.Sun.COM Sun Apr  2 14:11 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!



> getting significantly better?  Say 150 miles to a tank+reserve?
> 
> Thanks,
> Vance -- looking for a very clean blue Hawk...  
> 


 I get 100(+-) mpg before reserve. My calculations suggest that this 
mileage would give me about 150mi. per tank+reserve. I Have not had
the oppurtunity to verify this, but my mileage has been really steady,
so unless the tank holds less than the manual says, I would tend to 
trust these numbers. YMMV <=== Ha!! I Kill Me!

Kev-
'88 - Blue


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From GTRider9@aol.com Sun Apr  2 16:13 PDT 1995
Subject: Joining the Hawk GT mail list

Please add me to your Hawk GT mail list--I am a devoted Hawker and will enjoy
reading fellow Hawkers' comments about their bikes.

Thank You!

David A. Heald, gtrider9@aol.com




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From Chrstopher@aol.com Sun Apr  2 23:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!

Gas mileage:
It depends entirely on the riding you're doing. I've found myself 
in the position of switching to reserve after only 100 quick 
miles, and barely having enough fumes left to coast the 
10 miles to the next gas station. 
On the other hand, I've also managed to go 166 miles before 
dipping into reserve.
Must've been one hell of a tailwind that day! :-)

Chris


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Mon Apr  3 00:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!

> 
> Gas mileage:
> It depends entirely on the riding you're doing. I've found myself 
> in the position of switching to reserve after only 100 quick 
> miles, and barely having enough fumes left to coast the 
> 10 miles to the next gas station. 
> On the other hand, I've also managed to go 166 miles before 
> dipping into reserve.
> Must've been one hell of a tailwind that day! :-)

I get 150+ miles per tank (pre-reserve) all the time, on long trips.
In town, mileage drops considerable, but never under 100 per tank
pre-reserve.

It is jetted, piped, and boxed, too.


Mike


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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Mon Apr  3 05:00 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!

In article  Vmac9@aol.com writes:
>So, I then I figured the Hawk would be a perfect choice.  Sporty handling and
>riding position, better performance and slightly larger than the singles or
>BSAs I was thinking about, and not real expensive.  Two problems -- 1)
>finding a clean one is turning out to be nearly as hard as finding any of the
>other bikes.  2) (and finally the point of this e-mail!) I just noticed a
>couple posts that pointed out the incredibly short range the Hawk has!  Is it
>really only 110-120 miles on the highway?  This is very discouraging as it
>almost eliminates any long-range riding (what other kind is there!).  Anyone
>getting significantly better?  Say 150 miles to a tank+reserve?

Yes, the range is short.  My motor is stock and I hit reserve at 125-130 miles 
(mixed riding).  I've never completely drained the tank, but I have gone 155 
miles.  If you re-jetted it, the mileage would get worse.  I suppose you could 
use a smaller rear sprocket which would allow you to cruise at lower RPMs.  
Don't put a smaller (160/60) tire on the back.  Also a smaller front tire 
(110/70) will improve the mileage  :^).

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT


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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Mon Apr  3 05:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Airbox spooge!

I took my tank and airbox off my Hawk for the first time this weekend, just to 
see how things looked.  I was surprised to find quite a bit of thick, greasy, 
black spooge mostly outside, but some inside, the airbox around the opening 
for the forward carb.  Anyone know where this comes from?  The bike has >26k 
miles on it now.  I put some tape over the carb intakes and hosed the outside 
of the carbs down with carb cleaner, then took the tape off, started the bike 
and sprayed a bit into the intakes.  I didn't have time to do the valves this 
weekend, but I plan to do that and play around with the pilot screws and maybe 
jets soon.  I thought about running it without the airbox lid, but it may rain 
this week and I wasworried that the filter would get wet.  Is this a problem 
when running either no airbox or with individual filters?  How about drilling 
some large holes in the top of the lid?  I commute on the bike and can get 
stuck in heavy rain from time to time.

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT


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From sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil Mon Apr  3 05:43 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Airbox spooge!

>I took my tank and airbox off my Hawk for the first time this weekend, just to 
>see how things looked.  I was surprised to find quite a bit of thick, greasy, 
>black spooge mostly outside, but some inside, the airbox around the opening 

        The crankcase breather runs to the air box, so that the nasty gases
can be re-injested and hopefully burnt. The is also some oil pushed into the
air box, especially if you overfill it or if your rings are worn.


>jets soon.  I thought about running it without the airbox lid, but it may rain 
>this week and I wasworried that the filter would get wet.  Is this a problem 
>when running either no airbox or with individual filters?  How about drilling 
>some large holes in the top of the lid?  I commute on the bike and can get 
>stuck in heavy rain from time to time.

        I don't think rain would present a proble as the air box is covered
by the tank. If you remove the air box top, you'll need to rejet you mains
too. I wouldn't drill holes in the stock box unless you have another in the
garage.

rich



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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Mon Apr  3 09:59 PDT 1995
Subject: Test Message

Folks:

Seems as though I have been having trouble posting on the
list. This is a test - I repeat - this is only a test.

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu





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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Mon Apr  3 10:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Test Message

Folks:

Seems as though that I have been having trouble posting
messages to the list. This is a test - I repeat - this 
is only a test.

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu




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From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Mon Apr  3 10:24 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!



On Sun, 2 Apr 1995 Vmac9@aol.com wrote:

> couple posts that pointed out the incredibly short range the Hawk has!  Is it
> really only 110-120 miles on the highway?  This is very discouraging as it
> almost eliminates any long-range riding (what other kind is there!).  Anyone
> getting significantly better?  Say 150 miles to a tank+reserve?
> 
I am admittedly a pretty conservative rider, but I _have_ to go on 
reserve generally at 140-145 miles.  I generally run in the 62mpg range.  
I don't have my manual with me at work, but it seems to me that the tank 
with reserve is about 2.5 gallons.  I try to put gas in the tank as soon 
as possible after going on reserve, so I've never actually run the tank dry.

Ellen Carrico		"A motorcycle is a tool for turning the Machine   
ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us	 Age back on itself, for removing shackles.  It 
			 won't fix everything that's wrong with the world,
			 but, hey, ... it's definitely a move in the right
			 direction."  --Paul Pascarella
                          



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From TKLEYPAS@wa_int.tstc.edu Mon Apr  3 11:52 PDT 1995
Subject:       HRC jet kit

I've seen comments concerning an HRC jet kit for the Hawk (?).
Does this kit exist ? What about a part #, price, ordering info, 
parts list ?  I'm running UNI pod filters and a two into two exhaust 
system and I'd like a jet kit that was close to correct or at least 
tunable.

Thanks
Terry Kleypas       tkleypas@tstc.edu


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From Gumby647@aol.com Mon Apr  3 12:27 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: HRC jet kit

    Terry,

  The HRC jet kit is $250 from Two Brothers or Chafong.  I don't have
a part #  but if you call them they will know what you are talking 
about. The kit comes with new slides with more cut-away, new 
springs, pilot jets, 3 sets of needles, and 5 sets of main jets. It is
supposed to have better mid-range than the Factory kit.
   Who makes the 2 into 2 exhaust you have? Is it reverse cone
megaphone? 
                                                        
                                                             Hope it helps
                                                             Gumby


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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 16:41:17 1995
Subject: New Ones


Yet another bumper crop of newbies this past week.  You are all on line.

There is no good digest around, but I do have all past articles.  I am
working on a home page here, really.

Stay tuned.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Mon Apr  3 13:40 PDT 1995
Subject: Chain Lube

Folks:

My apologies if this is a re-post of an earlier message that
I sent. The node here at the University keeps telling me that
my mail to the lis tis bouncing.

Just installed a new RK O-ring chain.I was disenchanted with
a couple of the clain lubes that I've used in the past. Am
interested in the collective wisdom of Hawk owners as to
their favorite lube(s).

Thankx!


Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu




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From ronrad@microsoft.com Mon Apr  3 13:55 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: tire size

I tried the 110/70 race front and 160/60 race rear this weekend on the
  track for a few hours.  The profile is a little odd on the front,
and you   don't use all the tire, but it stuck really well.  We
received some rain   on the track though, so I don't know what it
feels like at *really*   extreme lean angles, but I was probably
pushing further than I would in   the dry on the street ...

Ron

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From: 	Gumby647@aol.com[SMTP:Gumby647@aol.com]
Sent: 	Saturday,April 01,1995 6:30 PM
To: 	l-chi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Cc: 	HAWKGT@dsea.com
Subject: 	Re: tire size

  Jae,

  The 120/60 front is too wide for the 2-1/2" wheel. Metzler makes a
MEZ1 110/80 SHP that works good. This is what I was running on
race bike. They also make a MEZ1 110/70 race compound, but it's
probably softer than you want. The 160/60 is perfect for the rear.

                                                             Gumby




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From ireplogl@woodstock.abbott.com Mon Apr  3 14:15 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

A friend of mine told me that with o-ring chains, the lube acts primarily as a  
rust inhibitor.  He swears by chain wax.  I haven't tried it yet myself.


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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:37:39 1995
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!


Look carefully at the new Cycle World.  Specifically page 60.  What is
that ~50 hp Vee bike from Honda?  Gee, does it have the SAME FRAME, same
swing arm, and MANY other same pieces as a HawkGT.  It sure seems to.

Best of ALL, it has a BIG tank!  Just look at how enormous it is.  Look
at the front cover.  You can even see the motor-hanger spar!  I like the
fork, but will pass on the fairing.  

I will be calling Don Canet later today too see what he knows.  Does anybody
have the parts list, and perhaps the part numbers, for the RVF400?  I migh
buy a tank blind....


OTOH, I've not heard back from the fabricators on my new tank.  Perhaps later
this week.  

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:37:46 1995
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!


Look carefully at the new Cycle World.  Specifically page 60.  What is
that ~50 hp Vee bike from Honda?  Gee, does it have the SAME FRAME, same
swing arm, and MANY other same pieces as a HawkGT.  It sure seems to.

Best of ALL, it has a BIG tank!  Just look at how enormous it is.  Look
at the front cover.  You can even see the motor-hanger spar!  I like the
fork, but will pass on the fairing.  

I will be calling Don Canet later today too see what he knows.  Does anybody
have the parts list, and perhaps the part numbers, for the RVF400?  I migh
buy a tank blind....


OTOH, I've not heard back from the fabricators on my new tank.  Perhaps later
this week.  

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:37:43 1995
Subject: New Ones


Yet another bumper crop of newbies this past week.  You are all on line.

There is no good digest around, but I do have all past articles.  I am
working on a home page here, really.

Stay tuned.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:39:21 1995
Subject: New Ones


Yet another bumper crop of newbies this past week.  You are all on line.

There is no good digest around, but I do have all past articles.  I am
working on a home page here, really.

Stay tuned.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:39:31 1995
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!


Look carefully at the new Cycle World.  Specifically page 60.  What is
that ~50 hp Vee bike from Honda?  Gee, does it have the SAME FRAME, same
swing arm, and MANY other same pieces as a HawkGT.  It sure seems to.

Best of ALL, it has a BIG tank!  Just look at how enormous it is.  Look
at the front cover.  You can even see the motor-hanger spar!  I like the
fork, but will pass on the fairing.  

I will be calling Don Canet later today too see what he knows.  Does anybody
have the parts list, and perhaps the part numbers, for the RVF400?  I migh
buy a tank blind....


OTOH, I've not heard back from the fabricators on my new tank.  Perhaps later
this week.  

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:40:07 1995
Subject: New Ones


Yet another bumper crop of newbies this past week.  You are all on line.

There is no good digest around, but I do have all past articles.  I am
working on a home page here, really.

Stay tuned.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



------------------------------

From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:40:18 1995
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!


Look carefully at the new Cycle World.  Specifically page 60.  What is
that ~50 hp Vee bike from Honda?  Gee, does it have the SAME FRAME, same
swing arm, and MANY other same pieces as a HawkGT.  It sure seems to.

Best of ALL, it has a BIG tank!  Just look at how enormous it is.  Look
at the front cover.  You can even see the motor-hanger spar!  I like the
fork, but will pass on the fairing.  

I will be calling Don Canet later today too see what he knows.  Does anybody
have the parts list, and perhaps the part numbers, for the RVF400?  I migh
buy a tank blind....


OTOH, I've not heard back from the fabricators on my new tank.  Perhaps later
this week.  

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From jel@walker.com Mon Apr  3 14:42 PDT 1995
Subject: Chain Lube

     Don't use any.  Seriously.  Not only will you save the mess, but
     your chain will look nice.  When I bought my VFR, I asked the dealer
     what the current wisdom was with O-ring chains.  He told me that
     he had actually spoken to the rep for one of their chain suppliers
     (I can't remember who, but it was a brand name) and was advised of
     this.  The reason being is that everything the chain requires is
     sealed in by the O-ring.  I spoke to my mechanic about this and
     he concurred.  In fact, he says he uses no lube and gets 15-20K
     miles out of his chains.
     
     Being a little cautious, I've used the chain wax by Maxima as it
     doesn't throw off as easily, but I only lube the chain every 3-4k
     miles.  No problems so far.
     
     Jeff


______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________
Subject: Chain Lube
Author:  Kit J Vercella  at INTERNET
Date:    4/3/95 1:39 PM


Folks:
     
My apologies if this is a re-post of an earlier message that 
I sent. The node here at the University keeps telling me that 
my mail to the lis tis bouncing.
     
Just installed a new RK O-ring chain.I was disenchanted with 
a couple of the clain lubes that I've used in the past. Am 
interested in the collective wisdom of Hawk owners as to 
their favorite lube(s).
     
Thankx!
     
     
Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu
     
     

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From EINBERGER@aol.com Mon Apr  3 14:44 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

I have had outstanding luck over the past 10 years or so with PJ1 Blue Lable.
 I generally warm the chain up by riding a few miles or so prior to lubing
it, spray on the PJ1, let sit 30 minutes or so, and forget about it for
another 200 miles (depending on conditions).  So far, so good.....sound
 little tedious, but I typically get 15k plus from a chain

John


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From Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu Mon Apr  3 14:55 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

I have also heard rumors that an o ring chain which has all the oil necessary
for lubing sealed and self contained only needs a once over with a can of wd-40
or some other such rust inhibitor.  anyone else know for sure?
if this is true, you can kiss that messy pj-1 goop good-bye.


Sasha


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From Karottop@aol.com Mon Apr  3 15:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Mailing list

I would like to be on your maling list please


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From mgiffin@dee.retix.com Mon Apr  3 16:18 PDT 1995
Subject: Chain Lube


My original Hawk o-ring chain has 60,000 miles on it, and
it and the sprockets are still in decent condition. 

Yes, this is true. I bought my 89 Hawk new.

I have wiped off the chain and used 80w90 gear oil every
600 miles or so, which is approximately what the owner's
manual recommends.

Mark Giffin
mgiffin@retix.com



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From SALUT@aol.com Mon Apr  3 16:20 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Motorcycle Weekend.

Just a few words to let you guys know this past Sunday was awesome!!!

I went to the LA Superbike Championship in Pomona.

WOW!!!

Mike Hale won both the HP4 600 supersport and the Superbike race.  That RC45
is amazing. He won both races with a comfortable lead.

Anway I thought you might be interested.  

That is all...




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From creol@netcom.com Mon Apr  3 16:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

I agree with this in concept, but in reality, my chain clacks so 
loudly, I get comments from the guys I ride with (they think it is
their bikes or something really wrong with mine). I use gear oil or
whatever is available just to keep things quiet. I have around 10K
miles on the chain and do have any reason to replace it at this time.

I get wonderful results on my KX250 w/o oiling the o-ring. No noise
whatsoever and good life as well!

I have a feeling this will stir things up...am I right? :)

Fred



>     Don't use any.  Seriously.  Not only will you save the mess, but
>     your chain will look nice.  When I bought my VFR, I asked the dealer
>     what the current wisdom was with O-ring chains.  He told me that
>     he had actually spoken to the rep for one of their chain suppliers
>     (I can't remember who, but it was a brand name) and was advised of
>     this.  The reason being is that everything the chain requires is
>     sealed in by the O-ring.  I spoke to my mechanic about this and
>     he concurred.  In fact, he says he uses no lube and gets 15-20K
>     miles out of his chains.
>     
>     Being a little cautious, I've used the chain wax by Maxima as it
>     doesn't throw off as easily, but I only lube the chain every 3-4k
>     miles.  No problems so far.
>     
>     Jeff
>
>
>______________________________ Forward Header
__________________________________
>Subject: Chain Lube
>Author:  Kit J Vercella  at INTERNET
>Date:    4/3/95 1:39 PM
>
>
>Folks:
>     
>My apologies if this is a re-post of an earlier message that 
>I sent. The node here at the University keeps telling me that 
>my mail to the lis tis bouncing.
>     
>Just installed a new RK O-ring chain.I was disenchanted with 
>a couple of the clain lubes that I've used in the past. Am 
>interested in the collective wisdom of Hawk owners as to 
>their favorite lube(s).
>     
>Thankx!
>     
>     
>Kit Vercella
>afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu
>     
>     
>
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From JPlott@aol.com Mon Apr  3 18:08 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

Kit.....Chain Wax

 Ride with your scooter lubed,      

John!


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From JPlott@aol.com Mon Apr  3 18:08 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

Jeff,   Don't believe the joker that said you do  not need lube on O-ring
chains.  The metal to metal contact between your chain and sprocket still
needs a bit of cushion.  A quick spray of chain wax every 3-400 miles does
the trick.  A bit more often in the rain.  Sprockets are expensive too.

Ride with your scooter lubed and your mind sharp!  It and you will last
longer.

John


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Mon Apr  3 18:09 PDT 1995
Subject: While we're on the topic . . . (was: chain lube)


Hey all:

Thanks for the responses to the electrical problem that I had.  
I went home after work, checked the voltages with my trusty voltmeter,
and found that the voltage was dropping off as the engine revved,
and acted as though there was an open circuit somewhere in the system
(an intermittent one, at that).

Anyway, to make a long story short, always remember to check your
battery leads and make sure they're tight!!!!!  Since the Hawk is
one of the most bulletproof motorcycles that I've ever seen, expect
problems that you have to be simple, user-correctable ones (and don't
run off and buy a voltage regulator the second you see a problem! :-).

On to the meat: Since we're all BS'ing about chain lubes, what is the
collective wisdom on chains, themselves?  I'm about to splurge on 
a new O or X ring chain for the Hawk, and was hoping to gather some
input before I break out the VISA.  Anyone used the RK X-Ring chain?
Any good??


Thanks,

Mike

--

Mike Nielsen

"Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed
out of a tube.  That is why god made fast motorcycles..."
					- Hunter S. Thompson


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From JPlott@aol.com Mon Apr  3 18:19 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: While we're on the topic ...

Mike,  I put a 530 RK-X on my 1983 CB-1100F when they first came out.  My
problem with advise is that I only put about 500 miles a year on that bike
(it now has 6000 original miles on it).  My hawk still has the stock
chain....but I will replace it with the 520 kit from TBR when it is time.
 Yes I lube the chain.  Not for the internals ...but for the oxidation
prevention and the lube between chain and sprocket.

Keep it lubed,

John   


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From amail.amdahl.com!james.lyau@juts.ccc.amdahl.com Mon Apr  3 19:18 PDT 1995
Subject: re: Decisions, decisions!

 

The range on my Hawk depends on the riding I do, of course.  When the bike is
used mainly for commuting, I get about 110-120mi before reserve.  My commute
is a 10mi. round trip to and from work mostly highway with few stops.  The
most I've got is approx. 180mi. before reserve.  I get this kinda range when
I ride down to Laguna Seca from my house via 101 and with very few stops.
It's about 90mi one way and when I get back and 180mi clicks over on the
trip odo. it usually sputters out and I switch to reserve and fill the tank
before I head home, which is 2 mi. from the gas station.  So for the trip down
to the racetrack, without any extra curricular activities :), the range is
sufficient and convenient for me.

OBTW, my Hawk is RC-31'd with Supertrapp and Factory jet kit installed.

--
James Lyau                "Ride Red"                 DoD #771  DGIF 1717
jpl10@amail.amdahl.com                             jpl10@DUTS.amdahl.com
past: '85 Interceptor 500, present: '89 RC-31 Hawk GT, future: '9X RC-45
  "Your stories have grown tiresome."  -  Dieter, from "Sprockets," SNL


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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 23:53:27 1995
Subject: Misc


No word back from Don Canet this afternoon.  I'll bug him again tomorrow.
I realllllly want a larger tank!

Also, I notice that there is some correlation between AOL and HawkGT
ownership.  Take a look at the names I get from AOL!

	GTHawk206@aol.com,
	Gumby647@aol.com,
	DPBHAWK@aol.com,
	Hawky647@aol.com,
	NT650Hawk@aol.com,
	HAWKNUTT@aol.com,
	Hawknt@aol.com,
	GTRider9@aol.com,
	RC31Hawk@aol.com

What does this mean?  Any ideas?


Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 23:53:53 1995
Subject: Misc


No word back from Don Canet this afternoon.  I'll bug him again tomorrow.
I realllllly want a larger tank!

Also, I notice that there is some correlation between AOL and HawkGT
ownership.  Take a look at the names I get from AOL!

	GTHawk206@aol.com,
	Gumby647@aol.com,
	DPBHAWK@aol.com,
	Hawky647@aol.com,
	NT650Hawk@aol.com,
	HAWKNUTT@aol.com,
	Hawknt@aol.com,
	GTRider9@aol.com,
	RC31Hawk@aol.com

What does this mean?  Any ideas?


Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 23:53:30 1995
Subject: Misc


No word back from Don Canet this afternoon.  I'll bug him again tomorrow.
I realllllly want a larger tank!

Also, I notice that there is some correlation between AOL and HawkGT
ownership.  Take a look at the names I get from AOL!

	GTHawk206@aol.com,
	Gumby647@aol.com,
	DPBHAWK@aol.com,
	Hawky647@aol.com,
	NT650Hawk@aol.com,
	HAWKNUTT@aol.com,
	Hawknt@aol.com,
	GTRider9@aol.com,
	RC31Hawk@aol.com

What does this mean?  Any ideas?


Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 23:55:59 1995
Subject: Misc


No word back from Don Canet this afternoon.  I'll bug him again tomorrow.
I realllllly want a larger tank!

Also, I notice that there is some correlation between AOL and HawkGT
ownership.  Take a look at the names I get from AOL!

	GTHawk206@aol.com,
	Gumby647@aol.com,
	DPBHAWK@aol.com,
	Hawky647@aol.com,
	NT650Hawk@aol.com,
	HAWKNUTT@aol.com,
	Hawknt@aol.com,
	GTRider9@aol.com,
	RC31Hawk@aol.com

What does this mean?  Any ideas?


Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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No word back from Don Canet this afternoon.  I'll bug him again tomorrow.
I realllllly want a larger tank!

Also, I notice that there is some correlation between AOL and HawkGT
ownership.  Take a look at the names I get from AOL!

	GTHawk206@aol.com,
	Gumby647@aol.com,
	DPBHAWK@aol.com,
	Hawky647@aol.com,
	NT650Hawk@aol.com,
	HAWKNUTT@aol.com,
	Hawknt@aol.com,
	GTRider9@aol.com,
	RC31Hawk@aol.com

What does this mean?  Any ideas?


Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 23:57:57 1995
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!



Yes, we have checked into the NTV650.  It has a different frame, and is 
much different.  Acutally, when I was last in Slough, I went to the BP
station near the Marriot and spent a long time talking with a NTV owner.

Much different bike.



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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Mon Apr  3 20:57 PDT 1995
Subject: Chain Lube

Brothers & Sisters:

Just wanted to thank one & all for the input on chain
lube recommendations. There seems to be a decided
preference for Chain Wax. I have used PJ1 in the past,
but got a bit tired of cleaning the goo off of the rear
wheel - which was probably due to my overuse of the lube
rather than an indictment against PJ1.

Until I replaced my stock chain at 15K, I used Chain
Wax for the last 2K. I really can't say that I used it
long enough to properly evaluate it. But, the confidence
that many of you have in the product will prompt me to
use it on my new RK O-ring chain.

BTW, if your chain develops a few tight links, soaking the
chain in kerosene can often solve the problem without
damaging the O-rings. Of course, if any of the O-rings
are already damaged, I suspect that the kerosene will
dissolve the grease on the rollers. I suspect that
binding links are symptomatic of the end of chain life.
Chain replacement is probably eminent anyway.

Well.... spring is finally here in The Frozen North. Hope
to have the Hawk on the road in about 2 weeks. Hot Damn!!

Thankx again...

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu






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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr  4 00:12:50 1995
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!



Yes, we have checked into the NTV650.  It has a different frame, and is 
much different.  Acutally, when I was last in Slough, I went to the BP
station near the Marriot and spent a long time talking with a NTV owner.

Much different bike.



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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr  4 00:13:52 1995
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!



Yes, we have checked into the NTV650.  It has a different frame, and is 
much different.  Acutally, when I was last in Slough, I went to the BP
station near the Marriot and spent a long time talking with a NTV owner.

Much different bike.



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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr  4 00:15:03 1995
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!



Yes, we have checked into the NTV650.  It has a different frame, and is 
much different.  Acutally, when I was last in Slough, I went to the BP
station near the Marriot and spent a long time talking with a NTV owner.

Much different bike.



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Tue Apr  4 01:22 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

BTW everybody- Pro-Tekk makes a 520 conversion MUCH cheaper than TBR- 
around $75 buys the whole schmear.  Call 1-800-PRO-TEKK.

DC



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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Tue Apr  4 04:47 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: While we're on the topic . . . (was: chain lube)

In article  Mike Nielsen  writes:
>On to the meat: Since we're all BS'ing about chain lubes, what is the
>collective wisdom on chains, themselves?  I'm about to splurge on 
>a new O or X ring chain for the Hawk, and was hoping to gather some
>input before I break out the VISA.  Anyone used the RK X-Ring chain?
>Any good??

Anything wrong with the D.I.D. 525 O-Ring chain?  Why all the talk of 
switching to 520?  I've been cleaning mine by hosing it down with WD-40 after 
a rain or thorough washing, and then using chain wax from time to time.  The 
chain wax seems pretty nasty going on, but it dries up, doesn't collect dirt, 
and doesn't get on the rear wheel.

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT


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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Tue Apr  4 05:12 PDT 1995
Subject: RC-31 pic on the web

There's a small picture of an RC-31 at this location:

http://www.eng.iastate.edu/~ricm/pictures.html

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT


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From CLASSIC516@aol.com Tue Apr  4 06:23 PDT 1995
Subject: general info

I am interested in purchasing a Hawk gt but need more information please
please please include me on your list.
I hope I sent this properly to you this is my first time using the internet.

Thank you so much

Chuck
Chicago Il.



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From jrickert@silver.sdsmt.edu Tue Apr  4 08:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Test Message

I am having mailer problems.  Sorry for extra message.

John Rickertsen					jrickert@silver.sdsmt.edu
'88 GT        '90 Ninja600R       '83 KZ1100



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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Tue Apr  4 09:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Pro-Tek

Dennis Crowley writes re: the Pro-Tex 520 conversion kit...

I ordered the same kit from Pro-Tek two weeks ago, consisting of
RK O-ring #520 chain, 44-tooth rear sprocket & 16-tooth front sprocket.
Total price (excluding shipping): $105.

Why convert from a #525 to a #520 chain? Sprocket choice, for one reason.
If you prefer to change the front/rear sprocket ratio, you have
more options for a #520 chain.

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu




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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Apr  4 09:27 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: While we're on the topic . . . (was: chain lube)

> 
> In article  Mike Nielsen  writes:
> >On to the meat: Since we're all BS'ing about chain lubes, what is the
> >collective wisdom on chains, themselves?  I'm about to splurge on 
> >a new O or X ring chain for the Hawk, and was hoping to gather some
> >input before I break out the VISA.  Anyone used the RK X-Ring chain?
> >Any good??
> 
> Anything wrong with the D.I.D. 525 O-Ring chain?  Why all the talk of 
> switching to 520?  I've been cleaning mine by hosing it down with WD-40 after 
> a rain or thorough washing, and then using chain wax from time to time.  The 
> chain wax seems pretty nasty going on, but it dries up, doesn't collect dirt, 
> and doesn't get on the rear wheel.

I was simply trying to figure out what decent chains were out there
for the Hawk, in 525 form.

OTOH, others believe that a smaller chain (hence smaller rear sprocket)
is the preferred setup for the street.  I dunno, since my gearing knowledge
of my bike is limited, but it sounds like a pretty good idea, and a quick
fix for a smoother top end (lower revs at the same speeds).  Am I wrong
with this assumption?  Can someone correct me?

Tanks,

Mike


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From Hawky647@aol.com Tue Apr  4 11:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!

The NTV is known as the Revere in England.  It has a steel frame, shaft
drive, (yuk) and even less horsepower than the Hawk.


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From TRUBBASHAK@aol.com Tue Apr  4 14:26 PDT 1995
Subject: subscription

please change my subscription from TRUBBASHAK@aol.com to Jakedj@aol.com
if this is a repost sorry.. i am having mailer problems.....
jake joseph



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Tue Apr  4 16:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Pro-Tek

On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Kit J Vercella wrote:

> Dennis Crowley writes re: the Pro-Tex 520 conversion kit...
> 
> I ordered the same kit from Pro-Tek two weeks ago, consisting of
> RK O-ring #520 chain, 44-tooth rear sprocket & 16-tooth front sprocket.
> Total price (excluding shipping): $105.
> 
> Why convert from a #525 to a #520 chain? Sprocket choice, for one reason.
> If you prefer to change the front/rear sprocket ratio, you have
> more options for a #520 chain.

My apologies on the price mistake- I forgot I buy for wholesale through 
the dealer I race for.  however, $100 isn't too bad anyway.  I also went 
to the 520 for the nominal weight savings, although the choices of 
gearing are most important.  In addition, 520 chain is available in all 
styles and qualities from cheap to expensive, while the 525 has at best 
limited availablilty.

C y'all,
DC



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From bi904@freenet.buffalo.edu Tue Apr  4 16:44 PDT 1995
Subject: the hawk



i am writing you regarding your mailinglist/bulletin board on the hawk.  i 
ride an '89 (red) with a supertrapp and corbin  seat.  a friend of mine
gave me this address from aol and i'm writing to find out if there is other
information that you may require.  let me know, i'm anxious to here form
you folks.  thanx, ken

--
bi904@feenet.buffalo.edu (ken Punnett)


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From wroof@ns1.netside.com Wed Apr  5 09:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Valve job/valve cover from hell

I just adjusted my valves, which was really easy EXCEPT for removing and
replacing the front valve cover. I had to completely unbolt the radiator,
move the front coil, and still cursed and sweated the cover on and off. Did
I miss something obvious?

I have a vision of a Japanese engineer chortling in his sake, thinking of
big, hairy gaijin fingers fumbling in that cramped space.

 
Dave Roof

wroof@mail.netside.com  w.roof@genie.geis.com [Yane]  '85 K100RT  
West Columbia SC  BMWMOA 68743  HRCA  Conebutt  CORT  '88 Hawk [Kamo-chan] 



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From l-chi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Wed Apr  5 13:52 PDT 1995
Subject: brake pads

A couple of weeks ago I changed my brake pads to sbs. At first it felt 
pretty good. I coudn't do much riding since I put them on since it's been 
cold around here. Lately, the brakes have been kinda "notchy". Not 
as smooth braking as the stockers. Should I 
have done something to the brkes before I put in the new pads? 
I've always heard that aftermarket pads increase stopping power and feel. 
I haven't felt either. What have you used, and how well did they work?


Thanks,
  Jae '90 hawk


------------------------------

From BudBoren@aol.com Wed Apr  5 20:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Wind Protection

Does anyone know of a better wind protective faring than the TARGA I
presently have on my 89 HAWKGT. I am 6 ft. and the TARGA just does not cut it
. Thanks 


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From Gumby647@aol.com Wed Apr  5 21:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: brake pads

    Jae, 

  Don't use the SBS pads. They eat rotors like I eat doughnuts. I
have had good luck with Ferodo pads. Good pad wear and they are 
easy on the rotors.  You should bleed the brakes when you replace 
the pads. Keep bleeding them untill clean fluid comes out and always
use fluid from a new or well sealed container. Before you push the 
pistons back in the caliper you should also clean any dirt or brake
dust off the pistons.

                                                                  My .02
                                                              Gumby


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From sheldon@vortex.netbistro.com Wed Apr  5 21:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Bars


Rule 1: Never park your bike on the pavement with the kickstand in the 
dirt.  Can you say thud?  

As for the above, not a single itty bitty scratch on my '89 Hawk 647 GT 
from that incident except for bending the clutch and shift levers.  It's 
almost as if they're engineered to bend in a fall.  

Does anybody know of some cheaper aftermarket parts because I really 
don't feel like paying $65 for a new one?



------------------------------

From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Thu Apr  6 04:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Bars

In article  Sheldon Young  writes:
>As for the above, not a single itty bitty scratch on my '89 Hawk 647 GT 
>from that incident except for bending the clutch and shift levers.  It's 
>almost as if they're engineered to bend in a fall.  

>Does anybody know of some cheaper aftermarket parts because I really 
>don't feel like paying $65 for a new one?

I just bought a Hawk shift lever from Competition Accessories for $47.  My 
local dealer (Coleman Powersport) wanted $71.  It includes the lever and ball 
joint but not the rubber ($1-$2) or the pivot bolt, bushing, or washers.  They 
run a two-page add in Motorcyclist (probably others, too) every month.  If 
anyone has cheaper new Honda parts, I'd like to know about it. 

There are probably aftermarket clutch levers to fit, but the Honda one 
shouldn't be too expensive.

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT


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From peekay@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Thu Apr  6 06:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Bars

On April 6, 1995 David Mackintosh wrote:

>I just bought a Hawk shift lever from Competition Accessories for $47.  My 
>local dealer (Coleman Powersport) wanted $71.  It includes the lever and 
>ball 
>joint but not the rubber ($1-$2) or the pivot bolt, bushing, or 
>washers.  They 
>run a two-page add in Motorcyclist (probably others, too) every month.  If 
>anyone has cheaper new Honda parts, I'd like to know about it. 

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT

I don't recall a clutch level ever being that expensive, but I could be 
wrong...  I use MR Honda out of North Carolina for stock Honda pieces, 
and they've consistenly had cheaper prices than anyone else I've called.  
They also advertise often in the back of various bike rags i.e. 
MotorCyclist etc.

David Alvarez
pereira@seas.gwu.edu


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From peahat@mail.grove.ufl.edu Thu Apr  6 06:20 PDT 1995
Subject: WWW page

I just started using the Windows Netscape thing and was wondering if 
there's a web page for the Hawk.  Sorry if I wasn't paying attention 
before. 

thanks,
peahat

'90 Hawk
 


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From welder@rahul.net Thu Apr  6 08:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: brake pads

> 
> A couple of weeks ago I changed my brake pads to sbs. At first it felt 
> pretty good. I coudn't do much riding since I put them on since it's been 
> cold around here. Lately, the brakes have been kinda "notchy". Not 
> as smooth braking as the stockers. Should I 
> 
When I started racing I asked many of my friends (various makes/models) 
what their favorite pads are.  Almost all said that the Galfer "Green" 
pads were the best around.  So, that's what I tried.  They work great.  
One warning though, in nearly every bike I've ever seen use them they 
produce an interesting squeal when simply pushing the bike around (like 
in the garage) - doesn't seem to affect the performance though.  These 
pads seem to have good feel and no fade, even when racing.

Dean '89 Red RC31, '88 Red (for sale)
and
Karen '89 Blue RC31


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From gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu Thu Apr  6 09:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Help!  Stubborn allen head 

My apologies if the list has already received this.  I sent it yesterday
and never saw it appear, so I'm trying again.

*				*				*

Hi all Hawksters,

     I have a problem with a stubborn allen held bolt, and I'm hoping
one of you can give me a suggestion that will solve the problem:

     I took the fork tubes off of the Hawk a couple of weeks ago to 
finally install the Gold Tech emulator valve and Progressive springs.
Everything went smoothly until I wanted to take out the allen head bolt that
holds in the compression rod.  The bolt is located right above the holes
for the axle; in other words, it's recessed and in a place where there's
not much room to maneuver.  A t-handle 6mm hex wrench is needed.  It took
me about two weeks to finally locate one, and I was thrilled that I was
finally going to get those allen heads off.

     Well, the thrill is gone.  I can't get either bolt off with the t-handle.
It flexes too much.  I read in the manual that when you reassemble the
fork tubes, you're suppossed to put thread locking (e.g. Locktite) material
on the bolt.  I think they did this at the factory because both bolts feel
like they're cemented in.  I've tried: a) tapping on the head of the bolt
with a drift, as suggested in the Gold Tech directions; b) putting the spring
and cap back in and tapping on the head with a drift; c) drenching the bolt
in Liquid Wrench and tapping on the head with a drift.  So far, none of this
has worked.  One bolt is getting a little munged up, and I don't want to 
destroy it.  It will still accept the wrench, but every time I try to turn
the darn thing, it makes a loud popping noise, and the wrench pops out.

     I feel that my options are:

1) Use a handheld impact wrench.  Trouble is, I have one, but I don't have
a 6mm allen head bit that will go in it.  Is there a place where I can find
one?

2) Use an air impact wrench.  For this, I will have to find a place that
sells a 6mm hex head with a socket end and one that is long enough to go
through the narrow (about 12mm) hole to the bolt.  A friend has warned me 
me that an air impact might rip the head off of the bolt, which, of course,
would create an even worse problem.

3) Use heat.  But will this damage the aluminum?

4) Go to a shop and pay to have the buggers removed.  My pride balks at
this.  Also, the nearest shop is thirty miles away.  I'd rather not make the
trip if I don't have to.

Any suggestions or input?  I really want to get the Hawk back on the road.
Bike weather is here.  Thanks,

      				Pam

gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu

     


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Thu Apr  6 09:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: brake pads

> 
> A couple of weeks ago I changed my brake pads to sbs. At first it felt 
> pretty good. I coudn't do much riding since I put them on since it's been 
> cold around here. Lately, the brakes have been kinda "notchy". Not 
> as smooth braking as the stockers. Should I 
> have done something to the brkes before I put in the new pads? 
> I've always heard that aftermarket pads increase stopping power and feel. 
> I haven't felt either. What have you used, and how well did they work?

Make sure the lever isn't sticking on something.  Mine, on a LONG trip last
summer, decided to do this about 500 miles from home.  Really pissed
me off.  Try spooging (very conservatively) some WD40 onto the mating
surface of the brake lever with the brake lever holder/stay assembly.
SHould loosen things up a bit.

While we're on it, is there a good way to lube clutch cables?  Mine is 
starting to stick pretty bad, and my middle finger on that hand is
developing arthritis.  Geez, I'm getting old! :-)


Thanks!

Mike


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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Thu Apr  6 09:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Fairings

Bud inquires about an alternative to the Targa cafe fairing...

Bud, a friend of mine has a Tracy windshield on his Hawk. He's
about 6' tall & hasn't complained about lack of wind
protection. I believe the windshield is available in clear, 
smoke & rose tints. Check the Dennis Kirk catalog for
starters. Good luck.

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu




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From sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil Thu Apr  6 09:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head 

>2) Use an air impact wrench.  For this, I will have to find a place that
>sells a 6mm hex head with a socket end and one that is long enough to go
>through the narrow (about 12mm) hole to the bolt.  A friend has warned me 
>me that an air impact might rip the head off of the bolt, which, of course,
>would create an even worse problem.

    If not Sears, try snap-on. My partner has a set, so I don't. This is the
only tool for the job, IMHO.


>3) Use heat.  But will this damage the aluminum?

        No, but check the schematic to see if there are any plastic or
rubber parts down there.


rich



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From frank@dsea.com Thu Apr  6 13:12:25 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head


Use HEAT.  Locktite is designed to soften in heat.



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From frank@dsea.com Thu Apr  6 13:11:50 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head


Use HEAT.  Locktite is designed to soften in heat.



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Use HEAT.  Locktite is designed to soften in heat.



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Even Better Rule 1:  Take off you sidestand and throw it away.  Use
	the centerstand.

Alas, even if you use the centerstand, if it is 115F out and you get 
pulled over in the central CA desert for speed limit times two, you bike
will fall over as it sinks into the pavement.



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From GWH@UH.EDU Thu Apr  6 10:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head

Rich Sturges said:
 
[6mm hex socket]
>     If not Sears, try snap-on. My partner has a set, so I don't. This is the
> only tool for the job, IMHO.
 
Ditto what Rich said...  Sears should have it; that's where I bought
mine.  Don't have easy access to Snapon anymore.  You can buy the
sockets in a set or singly.  I've got a 5mm and 6mm which takes care of
about 90% of my uses.

Greg Hayes
-- 
Gregory W. Hayes        GWH@uh.edu      (713) 743-1559 (voice)
Workstation Services, Academic Support, UH
DISCLAIMER: Does anyone *really* care about my opinions?


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From frank@dsea.com Thu Apr  6 14:12:27 1995
Subject: Re: Bars


Even Better Rule 1:  Take off you sidestand and throw it away.  Use
	the centerstand.

Alas, even if you use the centerstand, if it is 115F out and you get 
pulled over in the central CA desert for speed limit times two, you bike
will fall over as it sinks into the pavement.



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From Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu Thu Apr  6 11:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Bars

If any of you following frank's advice about the sidestand would like to sell
me one for cheaper than 73$ (cost new), I'm looking for one.


thanks.

S


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From frank@dsea.com Thu Apr  6 14:37:29 1995
Subject: Re: Bars


Even Better Rule 1:  Take off you sidestand and throw it away.  Use
	the centerstand.

Alas, even if you use the centerstand, if it is 115F out and you get 
pulled over in the central CA desert for speed limit times two, you bike
will fall over as it sinks into the pavement.



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From frank@dsea.com Thu Apr  6 14:37:36 1995
Subject: Re: Bars


Even Better Rule 1:  Take off you sidestand and throw it away.  Use
	the centerstand.

Alas, even if you use the centerstand, if it is 115F out and you get 
pulled over in the central CA desert for speed limit times two, you bike
will fall over as it sinks into the pavement.



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From JPlott@aol.com Thu Apr  6 12:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: brake pads

Jae,
     In one of my many talks with Craig Erion at TBR, who has had probably
the most racing experience with the Hawk as anyone, He stated that the stock
pads for the Hawk were about the best you can buy.  In my race bikes I
 always used the old Forodo 2453 compound pads...alas...no longer available
due to the asbestos. I have not raced for a couple of years: consequently, I
must go by others opinions...Craig has an informed one.

 John


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From Roger_A._Hackett@ccmepus.mobil.com Thu Apr  6 12:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Bars

>Subject: Bars
>Author:  Sheldon Young  at INTERNET-MEPUS
>Date:    4/6/95 5:23 AM
     
>Rule 1: Never park your bike on the pavement with the kickstand in the 
>dirt.  Can you say thud?  
     
>As for the above, not a single itty bitty scratch on my '89 Hawk 647 GT 
>from that incident except for bending the clutch and shift levers.  It's 
>almost as if they're engineered to bend in a fall.  
     
>Does anybody know of some cheaper aftermarket parts because I really 
>don't feel like paying $65 for a new one?

I have bent both the clutch lever and the brake lever by knocking over my 
bike in the garage.  My local Honda dealer charged me $9.95 plus tax for 
each lever.  At $65, I think someone is trying to stick it to you.

Roger 
88 Blue



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From spatel@mcp.com Thu Apr  6 13:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head 

     
  Greetings !

  Pardon my ingnorance but what does a Gold Tech emulator valve do ?

  Duke

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Help!  Stubborn allen head 
Author:  gilman@mtwil1.netcom.com at Internet
Date:    4/6/95 8:23 AM


My apologies if the list has already received this.  I sent it yesterday 
and never saw it appear, so I'm trying again.
     
*				*				*
     
Hi all Hawksters,
     
     I have a problem with a stubborn allen held bolt, and I'm hoping
one of you can give me a suggestion that will solve the problem:
     
     I took the fork tubes off of the Hawk a couple of weeks ago to 
finally install the Gold Tech emulator valve and Progressive springs. 
Everything went smoothly until I wanted to take out the allen head bolt that 
holds in the compression rod.  The bolt is located right above the holes
for the axle; in other words, it's recessed and in a place where there's 
not much room to maneuver.  A t-handle 6mm hex wrench is needed.  It took 
me about two weeks to finally locate one, and I was thrilled that I was 
finally going to get those allen heads off.
     
     Well, the thrill is gone.  I can't get either bolt off with the t-handle.
It flexes too much.  I read in the manual that when you reassemble the
fork tubes, you're suppossed to put thread locking (e.g. Locktite) material 
on the bolt.  I think they did this at the factory because both bolts feel 
like they're cemented in.  I've tried: a) tapping on the head of the bolt 
with a drift, as suggested in the Gold Tech directions; b) putting the spring 
and cap back in and tapping on the head with a drift; c) drenching the bolt 
in Liquid Wrench and tapping on the head with a drift.  So far, none of this 
has worked.  One bolt is getting a little munged up, and I don't want to 
destroy it.  It will still accept the wrench, but every time I try to turn 
the darn thing, it makes a loud popping noise, and the wrench pops out.
     
     I feel that my options are:
     
1) Use a handheld impact wrench.  Trouble is, I have one, but I don't have 
a 6mm allen head bit that will go in it.  Is there a place where I can find 
one?
     
2) Use an air impact wrench.  For this, I will have to find a place that 
sells a 6mm hex head with a socket end and one that is long enough to go 
through the narrow (about 12mm) hole to the bolt.  A friend has warned me 
me that an air impact might rip the head off of the bolt, which, of course, 
would create an even worse problem.
     
3) Use heat.  But will this damage the aluminum?
     
4) Go to a shop and pay to have the buggers removed.  My pride balks at 
this.  Also, the nearest shop is thirty miles away.  I'd rather not make the 
trip if I don't have to.
     
Any suggestions or input?  I really want to get the Hawk back on the road. 
Bike weather is here.  Thanks,
     
      				Pam
     
gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu
     
     


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From jel@walker.com Thu Apr  6 13:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Chapparal

     
     Just thought I warn (i.e. "vent" to) everyone on the list to stay 
     away from the Chapparal mail order company.  I've literally spent 
     more than $400 with them over the past month, as well as some good 
     money in the past, and they've held shipment of a recent order
     due to the fact that one of the items was on back-order and that 
     item was needed to put the total of the shipment over $30 (their 
     minimum).  Can you believe it?  "Sorry, sir, we'd rather not spend 
     the extra $5 it will cost us to ship two packages.  We'd rather lose 
     all your future business."
     
     Jeff



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From tosch@acsu.buffalo.edu Thu Apr  6 14:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Mailing list


	I got this address through a friend, I apologize for not knowing 
who I'm sending this to.  I would like to be added to the mailing list, 
my e-mail address is as follows:

		tosch@acsu.buffalo.edu

	If for some reason that address does not work, I have a VAX 
account.  The address for that is V032HFA6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu.

Thanks for your help, I'm sorry if I don't have all the info you need.

Mike



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From bubbaz@umcc.umich.edu Thu Apr  6 14:20 PDT 1995

unsuscribe bubbaz@umcc.umcc.umich.edu



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From EINBERGER@aol.com Thu Apr  6 14:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chapparal

Jeez...Chaparral too!

I just had a similar (in that I am soured toward this company forever)
experience with Competition Accessories.  I ordered a supertrapp system for
my Hawk, and was told it would be in in 3-5 days.  Since I live reasonably
close to Springfield, OH, I siad "fine, I will call in a week, and come pick
it up".  Well, more that 2 weeks passed before my order came in, screwing up
my plans for picking it up - oh well, sacrifices must be made, right!
 Anyway, the call came to me on a Monday that the pipe was in, I said I'd be
up Saturday to pick it up....I called back Friday to confirm that the pipe
had arrived, I was told it was so.

It doesn't end there......when I got these Saturday morning, there were two
people in front on me at the counter.  The first had ordered something over
the phone, and was there to pick it up.  The counter people couldn't find his
part, and told him that the phone orderig dept had screwed up, because the
person he dealt with was new, and sent the customer on his was w/o his
part(s).....when they finally got to me, they asked my name, called up my
order, and said..."we'll be right back with your system".  A very short time
later, the counter person came back and said he couldn't find it, the phone
order people screwed up, etc....and tried to send me on my way!  At this point
, I had to raise holy %$#&, since I had been assured that my pipe was there
on 2 separate occasions.   The manager grudgingly agreed to look for the
pipe, and miraculously "found" it about 20 minutes later.  (Not done yet)
 The box he brought our looked like it had been run over by a fleet of UPS
trucks, so I made them open it.  The pipe was very poorly packed in broken
styrofoam and old newspapers, and the front header pipe had tape stuck all
over it (what a joy it was cleaning that off!).  I didn't see it until I got
home, but the muffler section had a series of dents in it also (fortunately
on the back side)...what an overall crappy deal!  

My analysis...since C.A. moved to their new, bigger, better location, their
customer service (of which I had previously gushed over) has really fallen
thru the floor!  STAY AWAY UNTIL THEY GET THEIR %$#$#@ TOGETHER!

John

Just invoking the "law of 250" (or hopefully more in this case!)


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From frank@dsea.com Thu Apr  6 13:10:06 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head


Use HEAT.  Locktite is designed to soften in heat.



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From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Thu Apr  6 14:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Bars



On Thu, 6 Apr 1995, Frank Evan Perdicaro wrote:

> 
> Even Better Rule 1:  Take off you sidestand and throw it away.  Use
> 	the centerstand.
> 
> Alas, even if you use the centerstand, if it is 115F out and you get 
> pulled over in the central CA desert for speed limit times two, you bike
> will fall over as it sinks into the pavement.

Take a can (a beer can will do). Drink or eat the contents as appropriate. 
Wash the can.  Smash the can flat.  Carry this can in your tank bag.  When
you have to stop, put this can under the sidestand foot.  This is not a
perfect solution (the whole unit will sink into the tarmac under the
conditions above), but it generally works very well for dirt and gravel
parking lots or quick stops by the side of the road.

Ln



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From sheldon@vortex.netbistro.com Thu Apr  6 15:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chapparal

        
>experience with Competition Accessories.  I ordered a supertrapp system for
>my Hawk, and was told it would be in in 3-5 days.  Since I live reasonably

What sort of improvment do you notice with the SuperTrapp, and what sort of
price?

>My analysis...since C.A. moved to their new, bigger, better location, their
>customer service (of which I had previously gushed over) has really fallen
>thru the floor!  STAY AWAY UNTIL THEY GET THEIR %$#$#@ TOGETHER!

Afraid the local Honda dealer here isn't that wonderful either.  Not horrible, 
they just seem to be rather crappy.  Fortunately I can avoid them for most
things.



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From Karottop@aol.com Thu Apr  6 15:36 PDT 1995
Subject: List Request

I would like to be on the list. Thank you

                               
                                        Carrie Pharr
                                                or
                                           Karottop
                                    
                              


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From Juniorvan@aol.com Thu Apr  6 17:05 PDT 1995
Subject: hawkgt motorcycle discusion list

pleas put me on your mailing list



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From laszlo@alumni.cs.colorado.edu Thu Apr  6 22:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:  Bars

	Rule 1: Never park your bike on the pavement with the kickstand in the 
	dirt.  Can you say thud?  
	
interesting. mine spent all winter outside in the snow, on dirt,
through major wind storms, using the sidestand. it was still 
standing when i started to de-winterize it. maybe your dirt
needs some steroids? or your hawk a diet?


laz


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From Juniorvan@aol.com Thu Apr  6 22:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: hawkgt motorcycle discusi...

i want to be on a motorcycle list but couldn't find any off road one could
you help?


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From gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu Fri Apr  7 09:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head

Duke,

    The Race Tech Gold Valve cartridge emulator (I got the name turned around
a bit in my last post) "emulates" a cartridge fork.  It basically helps to
adjust compression and rebound damping.  You can read all about it in the
September, 1994 issue of Motorcyclist (p. 97) and in the February, 1995 issue
of Sport Rider (pp. 72-73).  Also, you can read about cartridge forks and why
they are better than the damping-rod fork in Sport Rider, August, 1994 (p. 98).

    To quote from the first article, Motorcyclist: "Basically, it's a 
threaded valve that screws on top of the damping rod.  A spring, which can be
replaced with stiffer or softer units, adjusts the preload of a flapper valve
that controls compression damping.  To adjust compression, simply remove the
fork caps, insert an allen wrench and adjust the small spring's preload.  
Rebound damping is controlled with oil viscosity and a small orifice drilled
in the flapper valve.  The holes in the damper rod are drilled out big enough
that they no longer restrict oil flow."  

    And further: "Where the old bike would chatter its front wheel in ripply,
high-speed turn one, the Emulator-equipped bike sailed through as if it were
on rails.  Where the old bike would pogo and bottom fiercely during aggressive
transitions and under hard braking, the Emulator-ized machine stayed planted
and offered a firm, controlled, feedback-intensive base from which to operate.
. . . .  The fork worked better on the street, too, with plenty of compliance
and a much more planted feel at speed."

    John Platt actually has the valves installed in his forks, and earlier on
this list has praised them.  As you know, I'm working on it. :-)

     BTW, thanks to everyone for suggestions on the stubborn allen head bolt.
I'm ordering a socket 6mm hex wrench today.  I'll combine that with heat and
see how it goes.

      			Always trying to emulate the best,

      			Pam

gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu 



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr 10 20:24:16 1995
Subject: Re: hawkgt motorcycle discusi...


Try posting to rec.motorcycles.dirt on the news list.  That should help.



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From sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil Tue Apr 11 06:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level

>     Question:  I am grafting the front end of a F2 onto my Hawk GT.
>     before I put the new forks on I will be replacing the fork oil
>     and dropping in some Progressive springs.  The Honda manual (for
>     the F2) lists fork oil level in mm's.  I want to confirm...is
>     this mm's as measured from the top of the fork tube?  Forks
>     fully compressed, without springs, right?

    Yes, you fill it the the recommended level, measured down from the top
with the fork spring removed, forks compressed. I would think about those
progressive springs a bit more as the hawk is lighter than the F2 but the F2
stock springs are stiffer, and the Prog. Springs for the F2 would be stiffer
still. You may need to use the hawk springs.

>     Anyone have experience setting up F2 forks on a Hawk?  
>     Recommendations?  Thanks.

    I sent a copy to the Hawk list, maybe someone there can reply to you
directly. (hint hint)

rich



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From SYSPMS@UCSDMVSA.UCSD.EDU Tue Apr 11 09:20 PDT 1995
Subject: help

I lost the web address and can't get on.  If anyone could e-mail me the
Internet address it would surely help. I remember the first part, I think?
Was it   hhtp:    well I forgot the rest. Thanks


Mike

'88 Bird of Pray


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From Hawky647@aol.com Tue Apr 11 10:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level

When I put the F2 front end on my Hawk I did not change anything and it seems
to be right. I think you should wait  on the Progressive springs until you
try the stock ones.


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From peahat@mail.grove.ufl.edu Tue Apr 11 10:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Corbin seat

I curious how other owners liked their seat and about how they paid (if 
that's okay).  My stock seat had a bump at the back that kind of forced 
me to slide forward, but you can't feel it just running your hand over 
the surface.  It really started to bug me, so I peeled the skin back and 
just leveled off the surface (*scraping* the foam, not cutting).  It 
seems to work better with my Super Allyn Air seat, but on mid-distance 
rides (when I don't use the air seat) the seat is kind of hard on the old 
bootie. 
	Is the Corbin seat really a big improvement?  Is it better to get 
the single saddle (can a passenger ride on the back for short 
distances)?  Has anyone gotten the passenger backrest?
 
Big thanks
peaht
a




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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Apr 11 11:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level

> 
> When I put the F2 front end on my Hawk I did not change anything and it seems
> to be right. I think you should wait  on the Progressive springs until you
> try the stock ones.
> 


I'm inclined to agree.  THe Hawk progressives are fairly stiff.  I would
imagine that with the increased dampening on the F2, it'd only get
stiffer.

Stick with stock for now.  You can always change them out later.


Mike


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From KCORSIGLIA@aol.com Mon Apr 10 19:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Mailing List

Please add me to your mailings.

Thanks.


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I have the full Corbin seat: gunfighter and lady with backrest.  Mostly at
my wife's behest.  

The Corbin is different for the driver and much better for the passenger.

I could ride the stock seat ( and did ) all day long.  

You will find that most of your riding comfort comes from a good set of 
leathers, not from the seat.

The $300 seat made about $300 worth of comfort.  My full-custom leathers
from Vanson made about $850 worth of comfort.  No real comparason.



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From MEL1523@ACS.TAMU.EDU Tue Apr 11 11:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Corbin Seat


;I curious how other owners liked their seat and about how they paid (if 
;that's okay).  My stock seat had a bump at the back that kind of forced 
;me to slide forward, but you can't feel it just running your hand over 
;the surface.  It really started to bug me, so I peeled the skin back and 
;just leveled off the surface (*scraping* the foam, not cutting).  It 
;seems to work better with my Super Allyn Air seat, but on mid-distance 
;rides (when I don't use the air seat) the seat is kind of hard on the old 
;bootie. 
;	Is the Corbin seat really a big improvement?  Is it better to get 
;the single saddle (can a passenger ride on the back for short 
;distances)?  Has anyone gotten the passenger backrest?
 
I have the Corbin - passenger style.  It was a big improvement.  I bought it 
right from Bruce Corbin at this last Daytona for $234.  The little backrest 
deal cost extra, and I didn't get one.  I don't carry people very often, but 
the seat makes a nice holder for bungee-netting things down, which I do 
often.  The 1100 miles back were much more pleasant than the 1100 there.

Mitch Loescher




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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr 11 14:45:32 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat


I have the full Corbin seat: gunfighter and lady with backrest.  Mostly at
my wife's behest.  

The Corbin is different for the driver and much better for the passenger.

I could ride the stock seat ( and did ) all day long.  

You will find that most of your riding comfort comes from a good set of 
leathers, not from the seat.

The $300 seat made about $300 worth of comfort.  My full-custom leathers
from Vanson made about $850 worth of comfort.  No real comparason.



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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr 11 14:49:52 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat


I have the full Corbin seat: gunfighter and lady with backrest.  Mostly at
my wife's behest.  

The Corbin is different for the driver and much better for the passenger.

I could ride the stock seat ( and did ) all day long.  

You will find that most of your riding comfort comes from a good set of 
leathers, not from the seat.

The $300 seat made about $300 worth of comfort.  My full-custom leathers
from Vanson made about $850 worth of comfort.  No real comparason.



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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr 11 14:44:08 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat


I have the full Corbin seat: gunfighter and lady with backrest.  Mostly at
my wife's behest.  

The Corbin is different for the driver and much better for the passenger.

I could ride the stock seat ( and did ) all day long.  

You will find that most of your riding comfort comes from a good set of 
leathers, not from the seat.

The $300 seat made about $300 worth of comfort.  My full-custom leathers
from Vanson made about $850 worth of comfort.  No real comparason.



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From AXELR8@aol.com Tue Apr 11 14:22 PDT 1995
Subject: HAWKGT

Please sign me up for the Hawk mailing list.My e-mail address is AXELR8.


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From <@gaudi.CSUFresno.EDU:tprigmo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU> Tue Apr 11 14:23 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat

The Following flowed forth from Todd Julian Chambery:
> 
> I curious how other owners liked their seat and about how they paid (if 
> that's okay).  My stock seat had a bump at the back that kind of forced 
> me to slide forward,

[snip-ola]

> the seat is kind of hard on the old bootie. 
> 	Is the Corbin seat really a big improvement?  Is it better to get 
> the single saddle (can a passenger ride on the back for short 
> distances)?  Has anyone gotten the passenger backrest?
>  
Todd,
     I ordered the Gunfighter (solo seat) over the phone directly from
Corbin and recieved it quicker than they said, about 5 months ago...
so far its great, nice, wide, and flat.
     I never realized how much I was sliding forward forward on the
stock seat, especially with a passenger. The basket weave isn't as
slick either, which helps you stay in place.
     The Corbin people were really nice and even threw in flames on
the saddle for free! Although I was little worried about how it would
look, the red matches the bike well and makes it look faster!
(I think I got a 10% horsepower boost from the flames!)
     I've taken my girlfriend across town on it and she said that it wasn't
too uncomfortable. She didn't squash the seat either (but she only
weighs 105 lbs.)....I wonder if she had flames impressed on her butt? ;~)
     	       	   Hope it helps,
     	       	    	      Todd
 
916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916
This E-mail is Desmodronically powered...For your safety please step back.
     	       	    	      	       
'89 Hawk GT   (imitation Duck)         Todd Prigmore
     	       	    	      	       tprigmo@csufresno.edu
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All opinions expressed belong soley to me, in spite of the objections
of those whom I have ripped off.


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From <@gaudi.CSUFresno.EDU:tprigmo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU> Tue Apr 11 14:23 PDT 1995
Subject: [Q] F2 front end

Hi all,
     Where can I get a good deal on an F2 front end (and don't say
"the dealer"!)? Where did you find yours? and how much should I expect
to shell out?
     	       	    	      Thanks in advance,
     	       	    	      	   	     Todd

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This E-mail is Desmodronically powered...For your safety please step back.
     	       	    	      	       
'89 Hawk GT   (imitation Duck)         Todd Prigmore
     	       	    	      	       tprigmo@csufresno.edu
916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916
All opinions expressed belong soley to me, in spite of the objections
of those whom I have ripped off.


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From rawlins@cig.mot.com Tue Apr 11 15:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat

> 
> 
> I have the full Corbin seat: gunfighter and lady with backrest.  Mostly at
> my wife's behest.  
> 
> The Corbin is different for the driver and much better for the passenger.
> 
> I could ride the stock seat ( and did ) all day long.  
> 
> You will find that most of your riding comfort comes from a good set of 
> leathers, not from the seat.
> 
> The $300 seat made about $300 worth of comfort.  My full-custom leathers
> from Vanson made about $850 worth of comfort.  No real comparason.
> 

Maybe all you needed was a set of "Vanson full-custom leather" underpants.
I figure if a full suit costs $850, the shorts should only run about $200.  
Hell, for that price you could get your wife a pair too!  :) :) :)


Rob Rawlins  (rawlins@cig.mot.com)              90 Yamaha FJ1200
                                                90 Honda  HawkGT
DoD# 1172                                       81 Suzuki PE400




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From EINBERGER@aol.com Tue Apr 11 15:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat

I just got a new Corbin "Gunfighter" seat 2 weeks ago, and so far I really, I
mean REALLY, like it!  The stock seat had a tendancy to promote sliding up
into the tank (ouch!) when braking hard, the Corbin does not; also, the
Corbin is wider thru the seat area than the stock, a big improvement!

The best compliment I can give the Corbin comes from a ride I took last
Sunday....I burned 2 tanks of gas while I was out on a "cycle-therapy" ride
(definition:  I do some of my best thinking when I am relaxed on a cycle
ride) - about 250 miles.  I got back to my apt., parked the bike, and then
first had any thought at all about the seat!  Normally, I am getting uncomfort
able after 75-100 miles, so this was a vast improvement!

My seat cost around $260 direct from Corbin, definitely the way to go!  I had
it built custom in regards to both style (all black with Ninja red piping)
and functionality (gave my height and weight, as well as riding style info),
which caused them to quote me a 4 week delivery time.  Since this seat was
really what I wanted, I agreed it would be worth the wait.  The seat showed
up at my door 10 days later!  I am by no means guaranteeing they can deliver
so fast for you, but needless to say, was VERY happy!  Corbins number is
1-800-538-7035.

Any more ques., just ask!

John

'88 Grey Bird o' Prey


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From spatel@mcp.com Tue Apr 11 15:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Wanted !! Corbin Seat

     
     Greetings !!
     
     With all this talk going on about the Corbin seat I figured I better 
     pipe in... I am cheap and thought maybe there is someone out there who 
     wants to get rid of a Corbin seat.  I know.. you guys are wondering 
     now why would anyone get rid of something that is so good...well maybe 
     someone needs some extra dough to buy a set of custom leathers :).
     
     
     Thanks
     
     Duke
     '89 Red


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From Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu Tue Apr 11 16:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Speaking of Leathers

I am just curious as to what my fellow hawkers ride in (besides tevasTM and No
FearTM tank-tops ;-{  ).

I ride in a cant-miss-me-red Aerostitch Roadcrafter two piece with
just-in-case-the-volvo-didnt-miss-me back-protector.  I am very satisfied with
my suit--esp for its versatility.

Frank rides in custom leathers.  
What's preferred out there among hawkers?
Just curious.

S
'88 blue
(No Corbin, yet)


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From Teleiott@aol.com Tue Apr 11 16:51 PDT 1995
Subject: 92 nighthawk 750

I am looking for ways to make the nighthawk ride bigger. What modifications
are you aware of that can make this bike more comfortable on long rides? I
look forward to hearing from the list.


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From GTRider9@aol.com Tue Apr 11 17:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level

I have had a '94 CBR600F2 front end (using the Hawk sliders and front brake)
on my '88 Hawk for about a year.  With the preload set at minimum using the
stock CBR springs I have 1.125" of sack with a 200lb rider on board.  As Rick
suggested, Progressive springs are not necessary!  I never checked to see if
the Hawk springs would work.


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From wroof@ns1.netside.com Tue Apr 11 17:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat

>	Is the Corbin seat really a big improvement?  Is it better to get 
> 
>Big thanks
>peaht
>a


I bought my Hawk with the solo Corbin, and thought it was great until I
tried the stock seat for a lark; now I generally use the stock one. I don't
find anything objectionable about the stock seat, and I actually prefer the
stocker's narrow profile. If I'd paid big bucks for it separately, I would
have been disappointed. The Corbin seems to rotate my hips forward, putting
more pressure on my legs.

If you hate the stock seat, you might try an upholstery shop for
modifications, saving some $$$ for gas.

Dave Roof

wroof@mail.netside.com  w.roof@genie.geis.com [Yane]  '85 K100RT
West Columbia SC  BMWMOA 68743  HRCA  Conebutt  CORT  '88 Hawk [Jason] 



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From ehofmann@freenet.vcu.edu Tue Apr 11 17:36 PDT 1995
Subject: noise help



I sent this question out before, but I think something whent
wrong with my mail. I apologize if this got through before.

I just got my Hawk. I've been noticing a whining noise. It is
fairly quiet. I can't hear it above 2000 rpm. I only notice it
when I'm coming to a stop (clutch in, throtle down), The brakes do
not make a difference. It does vary with bike speed. My guess
is tires or chain. The bike has 16000 miles. The back tire will
probably pass inspection but should be replaced. The front
looks OK. The chain is still within wear limits & the sproket
looks OK. Any thoughts whould be appreciated.

Ed Hofmann
'89 Red


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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr 11 23:04:56 1995
Subject: Notes on seat et leathers


Lest anybody laught at the thought of leathers making the ride more 
comfortabel, I can only say that you should ask around on rec.motorcycles
for a while and see how many folks agree with me.  

Leather underpants would not do it.

The support from properly fit, good leathers is hard to even talk about
until you have experienced it.  When I ride, I do not notice what I am 
wearing, ever.  No seams, no clumps of leather, no binds, etc.  My leathers
are cut for me to sit on my Hawk wearing a particular helmet, boots and 
gloves plus full body armor, pants, shirt and sweatshirt.  ( Stop that
though! No, I have not changed weight much since about 1982.  
No "revisions" have been needed from Vanson. ) 

They are comfortable at 115 F and at 10 F, in the rain, the snow, deep
water, heavy mud and strong sun.  Once warmed up, the seat-to-pants
friction is always the same.  Plus I can get off at 100 mph and only
worry about hitting something hard.

I chose a tasteful grey and black color scheme, with yellow Vanson patch,
rather than the Nuclear Goat Puke Fashion one finds with most 
motorcycle clothing.  Thus I can, and have many times, worn my leathers
around while shopping, etc, without fear of being arrested for suspicion 
of 264 motor vehical offenses last weekend ( mistakenly of course ).
Grey and black also looks MUCH SLOWER than Nuclear Goat Puke ( but 
not slow enough some times ).  Hardly any body wants to steal plain
grey leathers.  Pants don't flap in the wind; the jacket collar does
not abrade my neck.  The arms are long enough...

If your leathers fit well, you will not need a new seat ( unless you
have a spouse that wants to be a passenger ).  You will always have
something to wear, and you can crash and either die or walk away 
bruised -- no road rash.  Makes a good Haloween outfit, too; just add
a chainsaw and some bloody rags.

For the last Joust, I rode my Hawk from 4:30 AM until about 11:30 PM.
I had to stop for five or six tanks of gas, but no "butt breaks".  The
leathers were comfortabel all day.

Its hard to see a minus other than cost.  But, if you can afford 
$3000 for a Hawk, plus insurance, plus doo dahs, seats, tires, bags,
gas, chains, etc, you can afford $850 for sensible comfortable 
clothing.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



------------------------------

From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr 11 22:34:36 1995
Subject: Notes on seat et leathers


Lest anybody laught at the thought of leathers making the ride more 
comfortabel, I can only say that you should ask around on rec.motorcycles
for a while and see how many folks agree with me.  

Leather underpants would not do it.

The support from properly fit, good leathers is hard to even talk about
until you have experienced it.  When I ride, I do not notice what I am 
wearing, ever.  No seams, no clumps of leather, no binds, etc.  My leathers
are cut for me to sit on my Hawk wearing a particular helmet, boots and 
gloves plus full body armor, pants, shirt and sweatshirt.  ( Stop that
though! No, I have not changed weight much since about 1982.  
No "revisions" have been needed from Vanson. ) 

They are comfortable at 115 F and at 10 F, in the rain, the snow, deep
water, heavy mud and strong sun.  Once warmed up, the seat-to-pants
friction is always the same.  Plus I can get off at 100 mph and only
worry about hitting something hard.

I chose a tasteful grey and black color scheme, with yellow Vanson patch,
rather than the Nuclear Goat Puke Fashion one finds with most 
motorcycle clothing.  Thus I can, and have many times, worn my leathers
around while shopping, etc, without fear of being arrested for suspicion 
of 264 motor vehical offenses last weekend ( mistakenly of course ).
Grey and black also looks MUCH SLOWER than Nuclear Goat Puke ( but 
not slow enough some times ).  Hardly any body wants to steal plain
grey leathers.  Pants don't flap in the wind; the jacket collar does
not abrade my neck.  The arms are long enough...

If your leathers fit well, you will not need a new seat ( unless you
have a spouse that wants to be a passenger ).  You will always have
something to wear, and you can crash and either die or walk away 
bruised -- no road rash.  Makes a good Haloween outfit, too; just add
a chainsaw and some bloody rags.

For the last Joust, I rode my Hawk from 4:30 AM until about 11:30 PM.
I had to stop for five or six tanks of gas, but no "butt breaks".  The
leathers were comfortabel all day.

Its hard to see a minus other than cost.  But, if you can afford 
$3000 for a Hawk, plus insurance, plus doo dahs, seats, tires, bags,
gas, chains, etc, you can afford $850 for sensible comfortable 
clothing.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



------------------------------

From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr 11 22:27:11 1995
Subject: Notes on seat et leathers


Lest anybody laught at the thought of leathers making the ride more 
comfortabel, I can only say that you should ask around on rec.motorcycles
for a while and see how many folks agree with me.  

Leather underpants would not do it.

The support from properly fit, good leathers is hard to even talk about
until you have experienced it.  When I ride, I do not notice what I am 
wearing, ever.  No seams, no clumps of leather, no binds, etc.  My leathers
are cut for me to sit on my Hawk wearing a particular helmet, boots and 
gloves plus full body armor, pants, shirt and sweatshirt.  ( Stop that
though! No, I have not changed weight much since about 1982.  
No "revisions" have been needed from Vanson. ) 

They are comfortable at 115 F and at 10 F, in the rain, the snow, deep
water, heavy mud and strong sun.  Once warmed up, the seat-to-pants
friction is always the same.  Plus I can get off at 100 mph and only
worry about hitting something hard.

I chose a tasteful grey and black color scheme, with yellow Vanson patch,
rather than the Nuclear Goat Puke Fashion one finds with most 
motorcycle clothing.  Thus I can, and have many times, worn my leathers
around while shopping, etc, without fear of being arrested for suspicion 
of 264 motor vehical offenses last weekend ( mistakenly of course ).
Grey and black also looks MUCH SLOWER than Nuclear Goat Puke ( but 
not slow enough some times ).  Hardly any body wants to steal plain
grey leathers.  Pants don't flap in the wind; the jacket collar does
not abrade my neck.  The arms are long enough...

If your leathers fit well, you will not need a new seat ( unless you
have a spouse that wants to be a passenger ).  You will always have
something to wear, and you can crash and either die or walk away 
bruised -- no road rash.  Makes a good Haloween outfit, too; just add
a chainsaw and some bloody rags.

For the last Joust, I rode my Hawk from 4:30 AM until about 11:30 PM.
I had to stop for five or six tanks of gas, but no "butt breaks".  The
leathers were comfortabel all day.

Its hard to see a minus other than cost.  But, if you can afford 
$3000 for a Hawk, plus insurance, plus doo dahs, seats, tires, bags,
gas, chains, etc, you can afford $850 for sensible comfortable 
clothing.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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Lest anybody laught at the thought of leathers making the ride more 
comfortabel, I can only say that you should ask around on rec.motorcycles
for a while and see how many folks agree with me.  

Leather underpants would not do it.

The support from properly fit, good leathers is hard to even talk about
until you have experienced it.  When I ride, I do not notice what I am 
wearing, ever.  No seams, no clumps of leather, no binds, etc.  My leathers
are cut for me to sit on my Hawk wearing a particular helmet, boots and 
gloves plus full body armor, pants, shirt and sweatshirt.  ( Stop that
though! No, I have not changed weight much since about 1982.  
No "revisions" have been needed from Vanson. ) 

They are comfortable at 115 F and at 10 F, in the rain, the snow, deep
water, heavy mud and strong sun.  Once warmed up, the seat-to-pants
friction is always the same.  Plus I can get off at 100 mph and only
worry about hitting something hard.

I chose a tasteful grey and black color scheme, with yellow Vanson patch,
rather than the Nuclear Goat Puke Fashion one finds with most 
motorcycle clothing.  Thus I can, and have many times, worn my leathers
around while shopping, etc, without fear of being arrested for suspicion 
of 264 motor vehical offenses last weekend ( mistakenly of course ).
Grey and black also looks MUCH SLOWER than Nuclear Goat Puke ( but 
not slow enough some times ).  Hardly any body wants to steal plain
grey leathers.  Pants don't flap in the wind; the jacket collar does
not abrade my neck.  The arms are long enough...

If your leathers fit well, you will not need a new seat ( unless you
have a spouse that wants to be a passenger ).  You will always have
something to wear, and you can crash and either die or walk away 
bruised -- no road rash.  Makes a good Haloween outfit, too; just add
a chainsaw and some bloody rags.

For the last Joust, I rode my Hawk from 4:30 AM until about 11:30 PM.
I had to stop for five or six tanks of gas, but no "butt breaks".  The
leathers were comfortabel all day.

Its hard to see a minus other than cost.  But, if you can afford 
$3000 for a Hawk, plus insurance, plus doo dahs, seats, tires, bags,
gas, chains, etc, you can afford $850 for sensible comfortable 
clothing.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From Jakedj@aol.com Wed Apr 12 10:07 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Speaking of Leathers

full protech leather suit.

just bought it new on sale. $400
you dont have to spend a fortune to get an ok full set of leathers.
jake joseph


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From RSAcker@aol.com Wed Apr 12 10:11 PDT 1995
Subject: Pipe & Jet kit

I am interested in purchasing a new exhaust and jet kit for my "88
Hawk.  What combination can anyone suggest?  What kind of horsepower increase
can I expect?  Has anyone ever had a Dyno done after replacing the stock pipe
& jets?


                                                  Thanks,
                                                   Scott



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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Apr 12 10:14 PDT 1995
Subject: Leathers


I ride in a First Gear Scout jacket that i got with the bike, and I have
some Langlitz leather pants, but I rarely use them.  The leather pants are
just too much of a pain to put on when I'm only going to school.

Phil




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From jel@walker.com Wed Apr 12 10:18 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk parts available

     
     Being that I am grafting a F2 front end on my Hawk, I have front
     end parts available if anyone is interested.  Contact me via
     e-mail.
     
     Jeff



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From carolync@fsg.com Wed Apr 12 10:21 PDT 1995
Subject: F.Y.I. on Hawk FS@dealer in chicago


Yesterday, I saw a red '89 for sale  (at Des Plaines Honda on Northwest
Hwy, for any locals), and they said they were asking $3700, though
it seemed negotiable.  True, it was virtually mint w/only 4700 mi,
but still....just another reassurance about their desirability i  guess.

Carolyn Cullen
carolync@fsg.com	DoD#0450	'89 Hawk GT	'77 CB550K


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From wroof@ns1.netside.com Wed Apr 12 10:24 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat

>i dont suppose i could convince you to sell me that corbin....


Though I might not use the Corbin much, I've decided to sell it with the
bike IF I ever do so. Gomenasai.

Dave Roof

wroof@mail.netside.com  w.roof@genie.geis.com [Yane]  '85 K100RT
West Columbia SC  BMWMOA 68743  HRCA  Conebutt  CORT  '88 Hawk [Jason] 



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From wroof@ns1.netside.com Wed Apr 12 13:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin/ No Sale

I may not use the Corbin much, but I'm not ready to sell it yet either. I'm
figuring it will be more valuable if and when I sell the bike. Gomen.

Dave Roof

wroof@mail.netside.com  w.roof@genie.geis.com [Yane]  '85 K100RT
West Columbia SC  BMWMOA 68743  HRCA  Conebutt  CORT  '88 Hawk [Jason] 



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From Hawky647@aol.com Wed Apr 12 13:51 PDT 1995
Subject: A Bunch of Things

First, i am having problems sending mail. I am on America Online and when
online they have two different ways to reply  to mail:  REPLY and REPLY TO
ALL.  Neither seem to work so I am sending this addressed to HAWKGT@DSEA.COM
to see if it works.
Second, Corbin saddle; I got mine for $50 (with a couple little rips) from a
guy who didn't like it because he was short. I hated the stock seat and would
never trade back.  In a year and a half (15,000 miles) the rips haven't
gotten any worse.
Third, Leathers; I have a set of Fieldsheer 2 piece leathers with full body
armor and Kushitani back protecter. They have hit the pavement a few times
and have held up well except for the knee sliders which are even thinner than
my credit cards.  If any has a pair of thick ones I would be willing to
trade.


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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Apr 12 10:28 PDT 1995
Subject: 92 nighthawk 750

Teleiott says...
>I am looking for ways to make the nighthawk ride bigger. What modifications
>are you aware of that can make this bike more comfortable on long rides? I
>look forward to hearing from the list.

Uh, sell it and get a Hawk.

Sorry to be so abrupt, but a nighthawk 750 ain't no Hawk.  You're on the
wrong list, my friend....

Two cylinders good.  Four bad.
Phil




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From ehofmann@freenet.vcu.edu Wed Apr 12 10:31 PDT 1995
Subject: noise help



I sent this question out before, but I think something went
wrong with my mail. I apologize if this got through before.

I just got my Hawk. I've been noticing a whining noise. It is
fairly quiet. I can't hear it above 2000 rpm. I only notice it
when I'm coming to a stop (clutch in, throttle down), The
brakes do not make a difference. It does vary with bike speed. My guess
is tires or chain. The bike has 16000 miles. The back tire will
probably pass inspection but should be replaced. The front
looks OK. The chain is still within wear limits & the sprocket
looks OK. Any thoughts would be appreciated.


Ed Hofmann

'89 Red




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From tschorer@mbl.edu Wed Apr 12 10:35 PDT 1995
Subject: re: speaking of leathers

REPLY TO: tschorer@mbl.edu

Yup, luv that 'stich.  After several trips to Vanson (right up the road) 
I broke down and bought an Aerostich.  Don't get me wrong, the Vanson 
suits are beautiful, but it occured to me when I was trying them on what 
a pain in the ass they are.  I'm standing there in the dressing room 
wrastlin with a pair of leather pants and thought "shit, I don't wanna 
go through this every time I get on the bike" and "what am I gonna do 
with these clothes when I ride to work?"
With the stich I'm zipped in and out the door in seconds, and more 
importantly, at work I'm unzipped and drinking coffee in seconds.
T


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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Wed Apr 12 10:38 PDT 1995
Subject: Noise Help

Ed inquires about possible noise coming from chain or tires....

Ed, could be any number of things - brakes, wheel bearings, etc.
But with 16K on your drive chain, this might be a good place to
start. At 13K I noticed an audible noise at low speeds, especially
with the clutch in. Although my chain was within wear limits, I
discovered several links that were binding. By working kerosene
into the side plates I was able to reduce the binding & subsequently
some of the noise. However, the final remedy was to replace the
chain (& the sprockets while I was at it).

Good luck.

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu




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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Apr 12 10:42 PDT 1995
Subject: Back Issues of Hawkgt?


Howdy folks,

I've waited two weeks now since sending my "ls" command to the hotrod
listserv to try to get a list of back issues of the hawkgt mailing list.  I
appreciate the list maintainer's effort to keep us all in touch, but I wish
that the back issue thingee worked better.

Does anyone have the back issues in a handy-dandy tarfile or compressed
text file?

If anyone has them, I'd like to have a copy, and I'd be happy to put them
on my anonymous ftp server so that we can all have access to them....

I'm looking for information on the various aftermarket exhausts that are
available.  I saw several cool Hawks in Boulder this past week, including a
custom paint-job RC-31 one, and a very trick looking one without a fairing.


I'd like to have the phone numbers/addresses for all the companies that
make and sell parts/accessories that work with my bike....

Thanks a bunch,
Phil





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From tschorer@mbl.edu Wed Apr 12 10:45 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat

REPLY TO: tschorer@mbl.edu

     I can only report on a friends experience with corbin.  After 
waiting a month for a gunfighter plus for is CBR1000 it arrived and did 
not fit.  A quick call to Corbin got the response "it's a force fit", 
bullshit, he ground some bits down on the underside to make it fit.  The 
saddle did not come with a petcock surround, a little trimpiece that 
fits around a hole in the saddle where the fuel valve is located.  Now, 
they know you're gonna need this $2 part, why not just include one and 
bill you for it?  His third complaint was the finish, piping is just not 
straight around the back.
        Now some minor bitches, the seat weighs about 40lbs (a 
gunfighter +...folding backrest) this thing is HEAVY.  It is 
uncomfortable around town as it has some real dish to it and digs into 
your legs when you have your feet on the ground.
        His overall impression is that Corbin has lousy customer service 
and a product that is a bad value as far as fit and finish goes (he paid 
over $300 for this saddle) but they are the only game in town(?).


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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Apr 12 10:47 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: noise help

>I sent this question out before, but I think something whent
>wrong with my mail. I apologize if this got through before.
>
>I just got my Hawk. I've been noticing a whining noise. It is
>fairly quiet. I can't hear it above 2000 rpm. I only notice it
>when I'm coming to a stop (clutch in, throtle down), The brakes do
>not make a difference. It does vary with bike speed. My guess
>is tires or chain. The bike has 16000 miles. The back tire will
>probably pass inspection but should be replaced. The front
>looks OK. The chain is still within wear limits & the sproket
>looks OK. Any thoughts whould be appreciated.
>
>Ed Hofmann
>'89 Red

Well, I just got a Hawk too (only 3800 miles), and I noticed a whining
noise too, but I think it's normal.  I think it's the clutch, personally.
Could be the valves though.


Phil Calvin                                                     '91 HawkGT
Department of Environmental Sciences and Engineering            DoD #242
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill               




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From ddc10@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 10:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Notes on seat et leathers

Frank has a point here.  In addition, a good set of leathers will last 
the rest of your life.  Unfortunately, I doscovered the hard way that 
cheap leathers don't cut it- my $495 AGV Tezzas fell apart after four 
wearings and NO crashes- every seam just blew out.  I spent $750 on my 
Vanson's (the Goat Puke model, but without the Nuclear option) and have 
worn them day-in, day-out, plus racing, for three years.  After several 
crashes and a lot of sweat, they could use a cleaning, but nothing more.

Give Vanson a ring- they have suits starting at $595.  BTW- the $595 siut 
is exactly the same as the $800 suit, but without patterns.  Vanson 
doesn't make cheap stuff.  the only thing not included is customizing.  A 
custom fit  or color pattern adds 10% to the price (unless you have 
a52-inch inseam or something- then it's a little more), body armor is 
included,and their service is phenomenal.  Plus- they pay contingency 
money!!! :-)

Enjoy the spring, y'all.... I'm a-goin' racin'!!

C ya
DC



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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Wed Apr 12 10:54 PDT 1995
Subject: Leathers

Sasha inquires about the leathers/riding suits of choice....

Here in Alaska I'm partial to a caribou parka, moosehide
pants & sealskin mukluks.  :)

But when the temperature rises, it's generally a Vent-Tech 
Sport GT jacket and Vanson Perforated Swedish Riding Pants.

The Vent-Tech is tough, well-ventilated & has the design
features I demand in a good, versatile m/c jacket.

The Vanson pants are actually a collaborative effort between
myself & Keith Carvounis at Vanson Leathers. As a regular
contributor of product eval