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Todays Topics:

Subject: 88 Hawk GT For Sale
Subject: Re: tire size
Subject: Re: carb. pilot screws
Subject: Corbin seat and partial fairing
Subject: Decisions, decisions!
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!
Subject: Joining the Hawk GT mail list
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!
Subject: Airbox spooge!
Subject: Re: Airbox spooge!
Subject: Test Message
Subject: Test Message
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!
Subject:       HRC jet kit
Subject: Re: HRC jet kit
Subject: New Ones
Subject: Chain Lube
Subject: RE: tire size
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: New Ones
Subject: New Ones
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: New Ones
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: Chain Lube
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: Mailing list
Subject: Chain Lube
Subject: RE: Motorcycle Weekend.
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: While we're on the topic . . . (was: chain lube)
Subject: Re: While we're on the topic ...
Subject: re: Decisions, decisions!
Subject: Misc
Subject: Misc
Subject: Misc
Subject: Misc
Subject: Returned mail: Deferred
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: Chain Lube
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: Re: Chain Lube
Subject: Re: While we're on the topic . . . (was: chain lube)
Subject: RC-31 pic on the web
Subject: general info
Subject: Test Message
Subject: Pro-Tek
Subject: Re: While we're on the topic . . . (was: chain lube)
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!
Subject: subscription
Subject: Re: Pro-Tek
Subject: the hawk
Subject: Valve job/valve cover from hell
Subject: brake pads
Subject: Wind Protection
Subject: Re: brake pads
Subject: Bars
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: WWW page
Subject: Re: brake pads
Subject: Help!  Stubborn allen head 
Subject: Re: brake pads
Subject: Fairings
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head 
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: brake pads
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head 
Subject: Chapparal
Subject: Mailing list
Subject: Re: Chapparal
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head
Subject: Re: Bars
Subject: Re: Chapparal
Subject: List Request
Subject: hawkgt motorcycle discusion list
Subject: Re:  Bars
Subject: Re: hawkgt motorcycle discusi...
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head
Subject: Re: hawkgt motorcycle discusi...
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level
Subject: help
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level
Subject: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level
Subject: Mailing List
Subject: Corbin Seat
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: HAWKGT
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat
Subject: [Q] F2 front end
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: Wanted !! Corbin Seat
Subject: Speaking of Leathers
Subject: 92 nighthawk 750
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: noise help
Subject: Notes on seat et leathers
Subject: Notes on seat et leathers
Subject: Notes on seat et leathers
Subject: Re: Speaking of Leathers
Subject: Pipe & Jet kit
Subject: Leathers
Subject: Hawk parts available
Subject: F.Y.I. on Hawk FS@dealer in chicago
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: Corbin/ No Sale
Subject: A Bunch of Things
Subject: 92 nighthawk 750
Subject: noise help
Subject: re: speaking of leathers
Subject: Noise Help
Subject: Back Issues of Hawkgt?
Subject: Re: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: noise help
Subject: Re: Notes on seat et leathers
Subject: Leathers
Subject: RE: Speaking of Leathers
Subject: re: speaking of leathers
Subject: Re[2]: Corbin seat
Subject: Re: Notes on seat et leathers
Subject: Fwd: FRAM oil filter recalls
Subject: Re: Hawk parts available
Subject: Re: HAWK GT parts and suppliers Info
Subject: stoppies
Subject: Re: stoppies
Subject: Valve clearance adjustment
Subject: Re: stoppies
Subject: FS: '89 Honda Hawk
Subject: Re: Valve clearance adjustment
Subject: Re: FS: '89 Honda Hawk
Subject: Excellent Hawk for Sale
Subject: Re: FS: '89 Honda Hawk
Subject: Re: stoppies
Subject: Re:  stoppies
Subject: Re:  stoppies
Subject: Re: stoppies
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit
Subject: Re: F.Y.I. on Hawk FS@dealer in chicago
Subject: Re: stoppies
Subject: Aftermarket exhausts
Subject: Re: stoppies, stories
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit
Subject: Re: Aftermarket exhausts
Subject: Hawk Parts and Suppliers FAQ
Subject: Wheelies
Subject: Hawk Prices
Subject: Re: Hawk Prices
Subject: FS. Spec II slip on
Subject: Re: Web page update
Subject: Re: Aftermarket exhausts
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit
Subject: RE: stoppies
Subject: Tank Cover
Subject: Re: A Bunch of Things
Subject: please remove me
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit
Subject: RE: stoppies
Subject: Re: Tank Cover
Subject: MailingList
Subject: RE: Tank Cover
Subject: Re: Aftermarket exhausts
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit
Subject:  WTB:  Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area 
Subject: Re: WTB: Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area 
Subject: Re[2]: WTB: Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area
Subject: mail list
Subject: Re: HAWKGT
Subject: hawk apparel
Subject: Parts bike for sale
Subject: Re: hawk apparel
Subject: Re: WTB: Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area 
Subject: Re: Parts bike for sale
Subject: Hawks and parts for sale
Subject: Re: WTB: Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area 
Subject: Re: Parts bike for sale
Subject: Re: Parts
Subject: Wierd carb problem
Subject: The Alpha A.B.S. 
Subject: ABS
Subject: Killer Hawk Price!!!
Subject: Re: The Alpha A.B.S. 
Subject: Re: Hawk Pricing
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem
Subject: Wierd Carb Problem
Subject: RE: Wierd carb problem
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem (fwd)
Subject: Emission removal
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem
Subject: Re: Emission removal
Subject: Re: Emission removal
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem (fwd)
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem (fwd)
Subject: Accessories
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem (fwd)
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem & exhaust
Subject: Filters and Exhausts...
Subject: What exactly is a Hawk?
Subject: Filters and Exhausts...
Subject: Re: 
Subject: Hawks.
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem & exhaust
Subject: RE: Emission removal
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem & exhaust
Subject: Parts is parts
Subject: Uhh... oops.
Subject: Re: What exactly is a Hawk?
Subject: Touring possibilities...
Subject: Re: What exactly is a Hawk?
Subject: Re: Touring possibilities...
Subject: TEsting again
Subject: Thanks for responding
Subject: '88 Hawk for sale
Subject: Rich???
Subject: Re: Rich or Lean??
Subject: Hawk FS in Austin
Subject: Seen on wreck.moto
Subject: Ack!  Quit it!!
Subject: Re[2]: Touring possibilities...
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Touring possibilities...
Subject: Hawk and parts for sale
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Touring possibilities...
Subject: Thanks for help
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Touring possibilities...
Subject: Tanks, again.
Subject: Paint
Subject: Re: Tanks, again.
Subject: Re: Tanks, again.
Subject: Larger Hawk Tank
Subject: Re:  Tanks, again.
Subject: Re: Paint
Subject: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?
Subject: Re: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?
Subject: Re: Paint
Subject: headlight problem
Subject: Re: headlight problem
Subject: Tanks and Hawks
Subject: Re: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?
Subject: Re: headlight problem
Subject: Re: headlight problem
Subject: Re: headlight problems
Subject: Hawk GT mailing list
Subject: Gas milage per tank survey
Subject: Oil question
Subject: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: Re: headlight problem 
Subject: what octane gas to use?
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: Re: headlight problem
Subject: Re: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?
Subject: Re[2]: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?
Subject: Re: Tanks, again.
Subject: Re: Gas milage per tank survey
Subject: Re: what octane gas to use?
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: Re: headlight problem
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: RE: Paint
Subject: HawkGT mailer problem
Subject: Re:Milage/top speed/oil
Subject: Re: Re:  Tanks, again.
Subject: Re:  Tanks, again.
Subject: Re: headlight problem
Subject: Re: Oil question
Subject: Headlight Problem
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: F2 front wheel
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: Re: F2 front wheel
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
Subject: Paint...
Subject: Hawk-less
Subject: Mailing list
Subject: HawkGT Homepage
Subject: hawk speedo light
Subject: Re: Re:Milage/top speed/oil
Subject: mailing list

Administriva:

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From rmorgan@cam.org Sat Apr  1 17:26 PST 1995
Subject: 88 Hawk GT For Sale

I'm selling my Hawk. Don't really want to, but I need the $$$ to buy my 
new bike.

Anyway, it's an 88, black, 17000km (<11000 miles). Extra equipment includes:

	- Corbin gunfighter seat (black with red piping)
	- Two Brothers exhaust and carb kit
	- Progressive fork springs
	- ME55/33 tires, about 1000 miles on them
	- Protek 520 chain conversion, RK chain, installed this weekend

All removed stock parts included.

The bike has had one owner (me!), has never been raced, and is located in
Montreal. 

Best offer over $2500 US or $3500 Cdn. If it doesn't go in the next ten 
days by private sale, it's going to the dealer.

If I could keep it and still buy the new bike, I would. You'll be 
stealing my baby.

- Rob


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From Gumby647@aol.com Sat Apr  1 18:24 PST 1995
Subject: Re: tire size

  Jae,

  The 120/60 front is too wide for the 2-1/2" wheel. Metzler makes a 
MEZ1 110/80 SHP that works good. This is what I was running on 
race bike. They also make a MEZ1 110/70 race compound, but it's
probably softer than you want. The 160/60 is perfect for the rear.

                                                             Gumby


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From Gumby647@aol.com Sat Apr  1 18:24 PST 1995
Subject: Re: carb. pilot screws

     Terry,

   The HRC jet kit comes with new slow jets though I don't remember
what size.  Next time I'm at the shop I'll look and post it to the list.


                                                            
              Gumby



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From waxbox@mindspring.com Sun Apr  2 13:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Corbin seat and partial fairing

Not a lot of Hawks sold in the Atlanta area; in fact, mine is the only one
I've seen in the last couple of years. I've been very happy with it since I
bought it new in 1988, however, the stock seat hurts my butt after about 60
miles and, although I bought it for its retro looks, the lack of any fairing
at all allows me to get real cold in the winter. Could I get some comments
about Corbin and/or some sort of quarter fairings? How hard are they to
install and who makes them. Obviously Corbin makes Corbin saddles, but who
makes fairings?

WAC '88 grey



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From Vmac9@aol.com Sun Apr  2 13:27 PDT 1995
Subject: Decisions, decisions!

Okay, now I'm getting frustrated!  I decided a couple months ago that this
was the year I finally got back into biking -- I thought about a Sportster,
since at $4995 it's one of the best bargains in motorcycling.  Of course,
that was before I realized that you can't get anywhere near MSRP on any
Harley.  So supply and demand kept me away from that -- plus, I really want a
sportier bike.  I then went through a period of looking for a GB500, an SRX6,
or a BSA Lightning.  All of which are next to impossible to find here in the
south (at least ones in very good to excellent condition).  Furthermore, I
decided that they would be to small for the kind of riding I would be doing.
 

So, I then I figured the Hawk would be a perfect choice.  Sporty handling and
riding position, better performance and slightly larger than the singles or
BSAs I was thinking about, and not real expensive.  Two problems -- 1)
finding a clean one is turning out to be nearly as hard as finding any of the
other bikes.  2) (and finally the point of this e-mail!) I just noticed a
couple posts that pointed out the incredibly short range the Hawk has!  Is it
really only 110-120 miles on the highway?  This is very discouraging as it
almost eliminates any long-range riding (what other kind is there!).  Anyone
getting significantly better?  Say 150 miles to a tank+reserve?

Thanks,
Vance -- looking for a very clean blue Hawk...  


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From cscops2@cscops2.Ebay.Sun.COM Sun Apr  2 14:11 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!



> getting significantly better?  Say 150 miles to a tank+reserve?
> 
> Thanks,
> Vance -- looking for a very clean blue Hawk...  
> 


 I get 100(+-) mpg before reserve. My calculations suggest that this 
mileage would give me about 150mi. per tank+reserve. I Have not had
the oppurtunity to verify this, but my mileage has been really steady,
so unless the tank holds less than the manual says, I would tend to 
trust these numbers. YMMV <=== Ha!! I Kill Me!

Kev-
'88 - Blue


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From GTRider9@aol.com Sun Apr  2 16:13 PDT 1995
Subject: Joining the Hawk GT mail list

Please add me to your Hawk GT mail list--I am a devoted Hawker and will enjoy
reading fellow Hawkers' comments about their bikes.

Thank You!

David A. Heald, gtrider9@aol.com




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From Chrstopher@aol.com Sun Apr  2 23:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!

Gas mileage:
It depends entirely on the riding you're doing. I've found myself 
in the position of switching to reserve after only 100 quick 
miles, and barely having enough fumes left to coast the 
10 miles to the next gas station. 
On the other hand, I've also managed to go 166 miles before 
dipping into reserve.
Must've been one hell of a tailwind that day! :-)

Chris


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Mon Apr  3 00:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!

> 
> Gas mileage:
> It depends entirely on the riding you're doing. I've found myself 
> in the position of switching to reserve after only 100 quick 
> miles, and barely having enough fumes left to coast the 
> 10 miles to the next gas station. 
> On the other hand, I've also managed to go 166 miles before 
> dipping into reserve.
> Must've been one hell of a tailwind that day! :-)

I get 150+ miles per tank (pre-reserve) all the time, on long trips.
In town, mileage drops considerable, but never under 100 per tank
pre-reserve.

It is jetted, piped, and boxed, too.


Mike


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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Mon Apr  3 05:00 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!

In article  Vmac9@aol.com writes:
>So, I then I figured the Hawk would be a perfect choice.  Sporty handling and
>riding position, better performance and slightly larger than the singles or
>BSAs I was thinking about, and not real expensive.  Two problems -- 1)
>finding a clean one is turning out to be nearly as hard as finding any of the
>other bikes.  2) (and finally the point of this e-mail!) I just noticed a
>couple posts that pointed out the incredibly short range the Hawk has!  Is it
>really only 110-120 miles on the highway?  This is very discouraging as it
>almost eliminates any long-range riding (what other kind is there!).  Anyone
>getting significantly better?  Say 150 miles to a tank+reserve?

Yes, the range is short.  My motor is stock and I hit reserve at 125-130 miles 
(mixed riding).  I've never completely drained the tank, but I have gone 155 
miles.  If you re-jetted it, the mileage would get worse.  I suppose you could 
use a smaller rear sprocket which would allow you to cruise at lower RPMs.  
Don't put a smaller (160/60) tire on the back.  Also a smaller front tire 
(110/70) will improve the mileage  :^).

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT


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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Mon Apr  3 05:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Airbox spooge!

I took my tank and airbox off my Hawk for the first time this weekend, just to 
see how things looked.  I was surprised to find quite a bit of thick, greasy, 
black spooge mostly outside, but some inside, the airbox around the opening 
for the forward carb.  Anyone know where this comes from?  The bike has >26k 
miles on it now.  I put some tape over the carb intakes and hosed the outside 
of the carbs down with carb cleaner, then took the tape off, started the bike 
and sprayed a bit into the intakes.  I didn't have time to do the valves this 
weekend, but I plan to do that and play around with the pilot screws and maybe 
jets soon.  I thought about running it without the airbox lid, but it may rain 
this week and I wasworried that the filter would get wet.  Is this a problem 
when running either no airbox or with individual filters?  How about drilling 
some large holes in the top of the lid?  I commute on the bike and can get 
stuck in heavy rain from time to time.

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT


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From sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil Mon Apr  3 05:43 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Airbox spooge!

>I took my tank and airbox off my Hawk for the first time this weekend, just to 
>see how things looked.  I was surprised to find quite a bit of thick, greasy, 
>black spooge mostly outside, but some inside, the airbox around the opening 

        The crankcase breather runs to the air box, so that the nasty gases
can be re-injested and hopefully burnt. The is also some oil pushed into the
air box, especially if you overfill it or if your rings are worn.


>jets soon.  I thought about running it without the airbox lid, but it may rain 
>this week and I wasworried that the filter would get wet.  Is this a problem 
>when running either no airbox or with individual filters?  How about drilling 
>some large holes in the top of the lid?  I commute on the bike and can get 
>stuck in heavy rain from time to time.

        I don't think rain would present a proble as the air box is covered
by the tank. If you remove the air box top, you'll need to rejet you mains
too. I wouldn't drill holes in the stock box unless you have another in the
garage.

rich



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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Mon Apr  3 09:59 PDT 1995
Subject: Test Message

Folks:

Seems as though I have been having trouble posting on the
list. This is a test - I repeat - this is only a test.

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu





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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Mon Apr  3 10:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Test Message

Folks:

Seems as though that I have been having trouble posting
messages to the list. This is a test - I repeat - this 
is only a test.

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu




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From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Mon Apr  3 10:24 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions!



On Sun, 2 Apr 1995 Vmac9@aol.com wrote:

> couple posts that pointed out the incredibly short range the Hawk has!  Is it
> really only 110-120 miles on the highway?  This is very discouraging as it
> almost eliminates any long-range riding (what other kind is there!).  Anyone
> getting significantly better?  Say 150 miles to a tank+reserve?
> 
I am admittedly a pretty conservative rider, but I _have_ to go on 
reserve generally at 140-145 miles.  I generally run in the 62mpg range.  
I don't have my manual with me at work, but it seems to me that the tank 
with reserve is about 2.5 gallons.  I try to put gas in the tank as soon 
as possible after going on reserve, so I've never actually run the tank dry.

Ellen Carrico		"A motorcycle is a tool for turning the Machine   
ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us	 Age back on itself, for removing shackles.  It 
			 won't fix everything that's wrong with the world,
			 but, hey, ... it's definitely a move in the right
			 direction."  --Paul Pascarella
                          



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From TKLEYPAS@wa_int.tstc.edu Mon Apr  3 11:52 PDT 1995
Subject:       HRC jet kit

I've seen comments concerning an HRC jet kit for the Hawk (?).
Does this kit exist ? What about a part #, price, ordering info, 
parts list ?  I'm running UNI pod filters and a two into two exhaust 
system and I'd like a jet kit that was close to correct or at least 
tunable.

Thanks
Terry Kleypas       tkleypas@tstc.edu


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From Gumby647@aol.com Mon Apr  3 12:27 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: HRC jet kit

    Terry,

  The HRC jet kit is $250 from Two Brothers or Chafong.  I don't have
a part #  but if you call them they will know what you are talking 
about. The kit comes with new slides with more cut-away, new 
springs, pilot jets, 3 sets of needles, and 5 sets of main jets. It is
supposed to have better mid-range than the Factory kit.
   Who makes the 2 into 2 exhaust you have? Is it reverse cone
megaphone? 
                                                        
                                                             Hope it helps
                                                             Gumby


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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 16:41:17 1995
Subject: New Ones


Yet another bumper crop of newbies this past week.  You are all on line.

There is no good digest around, but I do have all past articles.  I am
working on a home page here, really.

Stay tuned.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Mon Apr  3 13:40 PDT 1995
Subject: Chain Lube

Folks:

My apologies if this is a re-post of an earlier message that
I sent. The node here at the University keeps telling me that
my mail to the lis tis bouncing.

Just installed a new RK O-ring chain.I was disenchanted with
a couple of the clain lubes that I've used in the past. Am
interested in the collective wisdom of Hawk owners as to
their favorite lube(s).

Thankx!


Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu




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From ronrad@microsoft.com Mon Apr  3 13:55 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: tire size

I tried the 110/70 race front and 160/60 race rear this weekend on the
  track for a few hours.  The profile is a little odd on the front,
and you   don't use all the tire, but it stuck really well.  We
received some rain   on the track though, so I don't know what it
feels like at *really*   extreme lean angles, but I was probably
pushing further than I would in   the dry on the street ...

Ron

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From: 	Gumby647@aol.com[SMTP:Gumby647@aol.com]
Sent: 	Saturday,April 01,1995 6:30 PM
To: 	l-chi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Cc: 	HAWKGT@dsea.com
Subject: 	Re: tire size

  Jae,

  The 120/60 front is too wide for the 2-1/2" wheel. Metzler makes a
MEZ1 110/80 SHP that works good. This is what I was running on
race bike. They also make a MEZ1 110/70 race compound, but it's
probably softer than you want. The 160/60 is perfect for the rear.

                                                             Gumby




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From ireplogl@woodstock.abbott.com Mon Apr  3 14:15 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

A friend of mine told me that with o-ring chains, the lube acts primarily as a  
rust inhibitor.  He swears by chain wax.  I haven't tried it yet myself.


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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:37:39 1995
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!


Look carefully at the new Cycle World.  Specifically page 60.  What is
that ~50 hp Vee bike from Honda?  Gee, does it have the SAME FRAME, same
swing arm, and MANY other same pieces as a HawkGT.  It sure seems to.

Best of ALL, it has a BIG tank!  Just look at how enormous it is.  Look
at the front cover.  You can even see the motor-hanger spar!  I like the
fork, but will pass on the fairing.  

I will be calling Don Canet later today too see what he knows.  Does anybody
have the parts list, and perhaps the part numbers, for the RVF400?  I migh
buy a tank blind....


OTOH, I've not heard back from the fabricators on my new tank.  Perhaps later
this week.  

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:37:46 1995
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!


Look carefully at the new Cycle World.  Specifically page 60.  What is
that ~50 hp Vee bike from Honda?  Gee, does it have the SAME FRAME, same
swing arm, and MANY other same pieces as a HawkGT.  It sure seems to.

Best of ALL, it has a BIG tank!  Just look at how enormous it is.  Look
at the front cover.  You can even see the motor-hanger spar!  I like the
fork, but will pass on the fairing.  

I will be calling Don Canet later today too see what he knows.  Does anybody
have the parts list, and perhaps the part numbers, for the RVF400?  I migh
buy a tank blind....


OTOH, I've not heard back from the fabricators on my new tank.  Perhaps later
this week.  

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:37:43 1995
Subject: New Ones


Yet another bumper crop of newbies this past week.  You are all on line.

There is no good digest around, but I do have all past articles.  I am
working on a home page here, really.

Stay tuned.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:39:21 1995
Subject: New Ones


Yet another bumper crop of newbies this past week.  You are all on line.

There is no good digest around, but I do have all past articles.  I am
working on a home page here, really.

Stay tuned.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:39:31 1995
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!


Look carefully at the new Cycle World.  Specifically page 60.  What is
that ~50 hp Vee bike from Honda?  Gee, does it have the SAME FRAME, same
swing arm, and MANY other same pieces as a HawkGT.  It sure seems to.

Best of ALL, it has a BIG tank!  Just look at how enormous it is.  Look
at the front cover.  You can even see the motor-hanger spar!  I like the
fork, but will pass on the fairing.  

I will be calling Don Canet later today too see what he knows.  Does anybody
have the parts list, and perhaps the part numbers, for the RVF400?  I migh
buy a tank blind....


OTOH, I've not heard back from the fabricators on my new tank.  Perhaps later
this week.  

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:40:07 1995
Subject: New Ones


Yet another bumper crop of newbies this past week.  You are all on line.

There is no good digest around, but I do have all past articles.  I am
working on a home page here, really.

Stay tuned.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



------------------------------

From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 17:40:18 1995
Subject: Spotted! Hawk Parts!


Look carefully at the new Cycle World.  Specifically page 60.  What is
that ~50 hp Vee bike from Honda?  Gee, does it have the SAME FRAME, same
swing arm, and MANY other same pieces as a HawkGT.  It sure seems to.

Best of ALL, it has a BIG tank!  Just look at how enormous it is.  Look
at the front cover.  You can even see the motor-hanger spar!  I like the
fork, but will pass on the fairing.  

I will be calling Don Canet later today too see what he knows.  Does anybody
have the parts list, and perhaps the part numbers, for the RVF400?  I migh
buy a tank blind....


OTOH, I've not heard back from the fabricators on my new tank.  Perhaps later
this week.  

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From jel@walker.com Mon Apr  3 14:42 PDT 1995
Subject: Chain Lube

     Don't use any.  Seriously.  Not only will you save the mess, but
     your chain will look nice.  When I bought my VFR, I asked the dealer
     what the current wisdom was with O-ring chains.  He told me that
     he had actually spoken to the rep for one of their chain suppliers
     (I can't remember who, but it was a brand name) and was advised of
     this.  The reason being is that everything the chain requires is
     sealed in by the O-ring.  I spoke to my mechanic about this and
     he concurred.  In fact, he says he uses no lube and gets 15-20K
     miles out of his chains.
     
     Being a little cautious, I've used the chain wax by Maxima as it
     doesn't throw off as easily, but I only lube the chain every 3-4k
     miles.  No problems so far.
     
     Jeff


______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________
Subject: Chain Lube
Author:  Kit J Vercella  at INTERNET
Date:    4/3/95 1:39 PM


Folks:
     
My apologies if this is a re-post of an earlier message that 
I sent. The node here at the University keeps telling me that 
my mail to the lis tis bouncing.
     
Just installed a new RK O-ring chain.I was disenchanted with 
a couple of the clain lubes that I've used in the past. Am 
interested in the collective wisdom of Hawk owners as to 
their favorite lube(s).
     
Thankx!
     
     
Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu
     
     

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From EINBERGER@aol.com Mon Apr  3 14:44 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

I have had outstanding luck over the past 10 years or so with PJ1 Blue Lable.
 I generally warm the chain up by riding a few miles or so prior to lubing
it, spray on the PJ1, let sit 30 minutes or so, and forget about it for
another 200 miles (depending on conditions).  So far, so good.....sound
 little tedious, but I typically get 15k plus from a chain

John


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From Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu Mon Apr  3 14:55 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

I have also heard rumors that an o ring chain which has all the oil necessary
for lubing sealed and self contained only needs a once over with a can of wd-40
or some other such rust inhibitor.  anyone else know for sure?
if this is true, you can kiss that messy pj-1 goop good-bye.


Sasha


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From Karottop@aol.com Mon Apr  3 15:28 PDT 1995
Subject: Mailing list

I would like to be on your maling list please


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From mgiffin@dee.retix.com Mon Apr  3 16:18 PDT 1995
Subject: Chain Lube


My original Hawk o-ring chain has 60,000 miles on it, and
it and the sprockets are still in decent condition. 

Yes, this is true. I bought my 89 Hawk new.

I have wiped off the chain and used 80w90 gear oil every
600 miles or so, which is approximately what the owner's
manual recommends.

Mark Giffin
mgiffin@retix.com



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From SALUT@aol.com Mon Apr  3 16:20 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Motorcycle Weekend.

Just a few words to let you guys know this past Sunday was awesome!!!

I went to the LA Superbike Championship in Pomona.

WOW!!!

Mike Hale won both the HP4 600 supersport and the Superbike race.  That RC45
is amazing. He won both races with a comfortable lead.

Anway I thought you might be interested.  

That is all...




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From creol@netcom.com Mon Apr  3 16:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

I agree with this in concept, but in reality, my chain clacks so 
loudly, I get comments from the guys I ride with (they think it is
their bikes or something really wrong with mine). I use gear oil or
whatever is available just to keep things quiet. I have around 10K
miles on the chain and do have any reason to replace it at this time.

I get wonderful results on my KX250 w/o oiling the o-ring. No noise
whatsoever and good life as well!

I have a feeling this will stir things up...am I right? :)

Fred



>     Don't use any.  Seriously.  Not only will you save the mess, but
>     your chain will look nice.  When I bought my VFR, I asked the dealer
>     what the current wisdom was with O-ring chains.  He told me that
>     he had actually spoken to the rep for one of their chain suppliers
>     (I can't remember who, but it was a brand name) and was advised of
>     this.  The reason being is that everything the chain requires is
>     sealed in by the O-ring.  I spoke to my mechanic about this and
>     he concurred.  In fact, he says he uses no lube and gets 15-20K
>     miles out of his chains.
>     
>     Being a little cautious, I've used the chain wax by Maxima as it
>     doesn't throw off as easily, but I only lube the chain every 3-4k
>     miles.  No problems so far.
>     
>     Jeff
>
>
>______________________________ Forward Header
__________________________________
>Subject: Chain Lube
>Author:  Kit J Vercella  at INTERNET
>Date:    4/3/95 1:39 PM
>
>
>Folks:
>     
>My apologies if this is a re-post of an earlier message that 
>I sent. The node here at the University keeps telling me that 
>my mail to the lis tis bouncing.
>     
>Just installed a new RK O-ring chain.I was disenchanted with 
>a couple of the clain lubes that I've used in the past. Am 
>interested in the collective wisdom of Hawk owners as to 
>their favorite lube(s).
>     
>Thankx!
>     
>     
>Kit Vercella
>afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu
>     
>     
>
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From JPlott@aol.com Mon Apr  3 18:08 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

Kit.....Chain Wax

 Ride with your scooter lubed,      

John!


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From JPlott@aol.com Mon Apr  3 18:08 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

Jeff,   Don't believe the joker that said you do  not need lube on O-ring
chains.  The metal to metal contact between your chain and sprocket still
needs a bit of cushion.  A quick spray of chain wax every 3-400 miles does
the trick.  A bit more often in the rain.  Sprockets are expensive too.

Ride with your scooter lubed and your mind sharp!  It and you will last
longer.

John


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Mon Apr  3 18:09 PDT 1995
Subject: While we're on the topic . . . (was: chain lube)


Hey all:

Thanks for the responses to the electrical problem that I had.  
I went home after work, checked the voltages with my trusty voltmeter,
and found that the voltage was dropping off as the engine revved,
and acted as though there was an open circuit somewhere in the system
(an intermittent one, at that).

Anyway, to make a long story short, always remember to check your
battery leads and make sure they're tight!!!!!  Since the Hawk is
one of the most bulletproof motorcycles that I've ever seen, expect
problems that you have to be simple, user-correctable ones (and don't
run off and buy a voltage regulator the second you see a problem! :-).

On to the meat: Since we're all BS'ing about chain lubes, what is the
collective wisdom on chains, themselves?  I'm about to splurge on 
a new O or X ring chain for the Hawk, and was hoping to gather some
input before I break out the VISA.  Anyone used the RK X-Ring chain?
Any good??


Thanks,

Mike

--

Mike Nielsen

"Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed
out of a tube.  That is why god made fast motorcycles..."
					- Hunter S. Thompson


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From JPlott@aol.com Mon Apr  3 18:19 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: While we're on the topic ...

Mike,  I put a 530 RK-X on my 1983 CB-1100F when they first came out.  My
problem with advise is that I only put about 500 miles a year on that bike
(it now has 6000 original miles on it).  My hawk still has the stock
chain....but I will replace it with the 520 kit from TBR when it is time.
 Yes I lube the chain.  Not for the internals ...but for the oxidation
prevention and the lube between chain and sprocket.

Keep it lubed,

John   


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From amail.amdahl.com!james.lyau@juts.ccc.amdahl.com Mon Apr  3 19:18 PDT 1995
Subject: re: Decisions, decisions!

 

The range on my Hawk depends on the riding I do, of course.  When the bike is
used mainly for commuting, I get about 110-120mi before reserve.  My commute
is a 10mi. round trip to and from work mostly highway with few stops.  The
most I've got is approx. 180mi. before reserve.  I get this kinda range when
I ride down to Laguna Seca from my house via 101 and with very few stops.
It's about 90mi one way and when I get back and 180mi clicks over on the
trip odo. it usually sputters out and I switch to reserve and fill the tank
before I head home, which is 2 mi. from the gas station.  So for the trip down
to the racetrack, without any extra curricular activities :), the range is
sufficient and convenient for me.

OBTW, my Hawk is RC-31'd with Supertrapp and Factory jet kit installed.

--
James Lyau                "Ride Red"                 DoD #771  DGIF 1717
jpl10@amail.amdahl.com                             jpl10@DUTS.amdahl.com
past: '85 Interceptor 500, present: '89 RC-31 Hawk GT, future: '9X RC-45
  "Your stories have grown tiresome."  -  Dieter, from "Sprockets," SNL


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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 23:53:27 1995
Subject: Misc


No word back from Don Canet this afternoon.  I'll bug him again tomorrow.
I realllllly want a larger tank!

Also, I notice that there is some correlation between AOL and HawkGT
ownership.  Take a look at the names I get from AOL!

	GTHawk206@aol.com,
	Gumby647@aol.com,
	DPBHAWK@aol.com,
	Hawky647@aol.com,
	NT650Hawk@aol.com,
	HAWKNUTT@aol.com,
	Hawknt@aol.com,
	GTRider9@aol.com,
	RC31Hawk@aol.com

What does this mean?  Any ideas?


Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 23:53:53 1995
Subject: Misc


No word back from Don Canet this afternoon.  I'll bug him again tomorrow.
I realllllly want a larger tank!

Also, I notice that there is some correlation between AOL and HawkGT
ownership.  Take a look at the names I get from AOL!

	GTHawk206@aol.com,
	Gumby647@aol.com,
	DPBHAWK@aol.com,
	Hawky647@aol.com,
	NT650Hawk@aol.com,
	HAWKNUTT@aol.com,
	Hawknt@aol.com,
	GTRider9@aol.com,
	RC31Hawk@aol.com

What does this mean?  Any ideas?


Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 23:53:30 1995
Subject: Misc


No word back from Don Canet this afternoon.  I'll bug him again tomorrow.
I realllllly want a larger tank!

Also, I notice that there is some correlation between AOL and HawkGT
ownership.  Take a look at the names I get from AOL!

	GTHawk206@aol.com,
	Gumby647@aol.com,
	DPBHAWK@aol.com,
	Hawky647@aol.com,
	NT650Hawk@aol.com,
	HAWKNUTT@aol.com,
	Hawknt@aol.com,
	GTRider9@aol.com,
	RC31Hawk@aol.com

What does this mean?  Any ideas?


Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 23:55:59 1995
Subject: Misc


No word back from Don Canet this afternoon.  I'll bug him again tomorrow.
I realllllly want a larger tank!

Also, I notice that there is some correlation between AOL and HawkGT
ownership.  Take a look at the names I get from AOL!

	GTHawk206@aol.com,
	Gumby647@aol.com,
	DPBHAWK@aol.com,
	Hawky647@aol.com,
	NT650Hawk@aol.com,
	HAWKNUTT@aol.com,
	Hawknt@aol.com,
	GTRider9@aol.com,
	RC31Hawk@aol.com

What does this mean?  Any ideas?


Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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No word back from Don Canet this afternoon.  I'll bug him again tomorrow.
I realllllly want a larger tank!

Also, I notice that there is some correlation between AOL and HawkGT
ownership.  Take a look at the names I get from AOL!

	GTHawk206@aol.com,
	Gumby647@aol.com,
	DPBHAWK@aol.com,
	Hawky647@aol.com,
	NT650Hawk@aol.com,
	HAWKNUTT@aol.com,
	Hawknt@aol.com,
	GTRider9@aol.com,
	RC31Hawk@aol.com

What does this mean?  Any ideas?


Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr  3 23:57:57 1995
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!



Yes, we have checked into the NTV650.  It has a different frame, and is 
much different.  Acutally, when I was last in Slough, I went to the BP
station near the Marriot and spent a long time talking with a NTV owner.

Much different bike.



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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Mon Apr  3 20:57 PDT 1995
Subject: Chain Lube

Brothers & Sisters:

Just wanted to thank one & all for the input on chain
lube recommendations. There seems to be a decided
preference for Chain Wax. I have used PJ1 in the past,
but got a bit tired of cleaning the goo off of the rear
wheel - which was probably due to my overuse of the lube
rather than an indictment against PJ1.

Until I replaced my stock chain at 15K, I used Chain
Wax for the last 2K. I really can't say that I used it
long enough to properly evaluate it. But, the confidence
that many of you have in the product will prompt me to
use it on my new RK O-ring chain.

BTW, if your chain develops a few tight links, soaking the
chain in kerosene can often solve the problem without
damaging the O-rings. Of course, if any of the O-rings
are already damaged, I suspect that the kerosene will
dissolve the grease on the rollers. I suspect that
binding links are symptomatic of the end of chain life.
Chain replacement is probably eminent anyway.

Well.... spring is finally here in The Frozen North. Hope
to have the Hawk on the road in about 2 weeks. Hot Damn!!

Thankx again...

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu






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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr  4 00:12:50 1995
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!



Yes, we have checked into the NTV650.  It has a different frame, and is 
much different.  Acutally, when I was last in Slough, I went to the BP
station near the Marriot and spent a long time talking with a NTV owner.

Much different bike.



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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr  4 00:13:52 1995
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!



Yes, we have checked into the NTV650.  It has a different frame, and is 
much different.  Acutally, when I was last in Slough, I went to the BP
station near the Marriot and spent a long time talking with a NTV owner.

Much different bike.



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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr  4 00:15:03 1995
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!



Yes, we have checked into the NTV650.  It has a different frame, and is 
much different.  Acutally, when I was last in Slough, I went to the BP
station near the Marriot and spent a long time talking with a NTV owner.

Much different bike.



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Tue Apr  4 01:22 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chain Lube

BTW everybody- Pro-Tekk makes a 520 conversion MUCH cheaper than TBR- 
around $75 buys the whole schmear.  Call 1-800-PRO-TEKK.

DC



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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Tue Apr  4 04:47 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: While we're on the topic . . . (was: chain lube)

In article  Mike Nielsen  writes:
>On to the meat: Since we're all BS'ing about chain lubes, what is the
>collective wisdom on chains, themselves?  I'm about to splurge on 
>a new O or X ring chain for the Hawk, and was hoping to gather some
>input before I break out the VISA.  Anyone used the RK X-Ring chain?
>Any good??

Anything wrong with the D.I.D. 525 O-Ring chain?  Why all the talk of 
switching to 520?  I've been cleaning mine by hosing it down with WD-40 after 
a rain or thorough washing, and then using chain wax from time to time.  The 
chain wax seems pretty nasty going on, but it dries up, doesn't collect dirt, 
and doesn't get on the rear wheel.

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT


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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Tue Apr  4 05:12 PDT 1995
Subject: RC-31 pic on the web

There's a small picture of an RC-31 at this location:

http://www.eng.iastate.edu/~ricm/pictures.html

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT


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From CLASSIC516@aol.com Tue Apr  4 06:23 PDT 1995
Subject: general info

I am interested in purchasing a Hawk gt but need more information please
please please include me on your list.
I hope I sent this properly to you this is my first time using the internet.

Thank you so much

Chuck
Chicago Il.



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From jrickert@silver.sdsmt.edu Tue Apr  4 08:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Test Message

I am having mailer problems.  Sorry for extra message.

John Rickertsen					jrickert@silver.sdsmt.edu
'88 GT        '90 Ninja600R       '83 KZ1100



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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Tue Apr  4 09:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Pro-Tek

Dennis Crowley writes re: the Pro-Tex 520 conversion kit...

I ordered the same kit from Pro-Tek two weeks ago, consisting of
RK O-ring #520 chain, 44-tooth rear sprocket & 16-tooth front sprocket.
Total price (excluding shipping): $105.

Why convert from a #525 to a #520 chain? Sprocket choice, for one reason.
If you prefer to change the front/rear sprocket ratio, you have
more options for a #520 chain.

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu




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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Apr  4 09:27 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: While we're on the topic . . . (was: chain lube)

> 
> In article  Mike Nielsen  writes:
> >On to the meat: Since we're all BS'ing about chain lubes, what is the
> >collective wisdom on chains, themselves?  I'm about to splurge on 
> >a new O or X ring chain for the Hawk, and was hoping to gather some
> >input before I break out the VISA.  Anyone used the RK X-Ring chain?
> >Any good??
> 
> Anything wrong with the D.I.D. 525 O-Ring chain?  Why all the talk of 
> switching to 520?  I've been cleaning mine by hosing it down with WD-40 after 
> a rain or thorough washing, and then using chain wax from time to time.  The 
> chain wax seems pretty nasty going on, but it dries up, doesn't collect dirt, 
> and doesn't get on the rear wheel.

I was simply trying to figure out what decent chains were out there
for the Hawk, in 525 form.

OTOH, others believe that a smaller chain (hence smaller rear sprocket)
is the preferred setup for the street.  I dunno, since my gearing knowledge
of my bike is limited, but it sounds like a pretty good idea, and a quick
fix for a smoother top end (lower revs at the same speeds).  Am I wrong
with this assumption?  Can someone correct me?

Tanks,

Mike


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From Hawky647@aol.com Tue Apr  4 11:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Spotted! Hawk Parts!

The NTV is known as the Revere in England.  It has a steel frame, shaft
drive, (yuk) and even less horsepower than the Hawk.


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From TRUBBASHAK@aol.com Tue Apr  4 14:26 PDT 1995
Subject: subscription

please change my subscription from TRUBBASHAK@aol.com to Jakedj@aol.com
if this is a repost sorry.. i am having mailer problems.....
jake joseph



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Tue Apr  4 16:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Pro-Tek

On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Kit J Vercella wrote:

> Dennis Crowley writes re: the Pro-Tex 520 conversion kit...
> 
> I ordered the same kit from Pro-Tek two weeks ago, consisting of
> RK O-ring #520 chain, 44-tooth rear sprocket & 16-tooth front sprocket.
> Total price (excluding shipping): $105.
> 
> Why convert from a #525 to a #520 chain? Sprocket choice, for one reason.
> If you prefer to change the front/rear sprocket ratio, you have
> more options for a #520 chain.

My apologies on the price mistake- I forgot I buy for wholesale through 
the dealer I race for.  however, $100 isn't too bad anyway.  I also went 
to the 520 for the nominal weight savings, although the choices of 
gearing are most important.  In addition, 520 chain is available in all 
styles and qualities from cheap to expensive, while the 525 has at best 
limited availablilty.

C y'all,
DC



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From bi904@freenet.buffalo.edu Tue Apr  4 16:44 PDT 1995
Subject: the hawk



i am writing you regarding your mailinglist/bulletin board on the hawk.  i 
ride an '89 (red) with a supertrapp and corbin  seat.  a friend of mine
gave me this address from aol and i'm writing to find out if there is other
information that you may require.  let me know, i'm anxious to here form
you folks.  thanx, ken

--
bi904@feenet.buffalo.edu (ken Punnett)


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From wroof@ns1.netside.com Wed Apr  5 09:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Valve job/valve cover from hell

I just adjusted my valves, which was really easy EXCEPT for removing and
replacing the front valve cover. I had to completely unbolt the radiator,
move the front coil, and still cursed and sweated the cover on and off. Did
I miss something obvious?

I have a vision of a Japanese engineer chortling in his sake, thinking of
big, hairy gaijin fingers fumbling in that cramped space.

 
Dave Roof

wroof@mail.netside.com  w.roof@genie.geis.com [Yane]  '85 K100RT  
West Columbia SC  BMWMOA 68743  HRCA  Conebutt  CORT  '88 Hawk [Kamo-chan] 



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From l-chi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Wed Apr  5 13:52 PDT 1995
Subject: brake pads

A couple of weeks ago I changed my brake pads to sbs. At first it felt 
pretty good. I coudn't do much riding since I put them on since it's been 
cold around here. Lately, the brakes have been kinda "notchy". Not 
as smooth braking as the stockers. Should I 
have done something to the brkes before I put in the new pads? 
I've always heard that aftermarket pads increase stopping power and feel. 
I haven't felt either. What have you used, and how well did they work?


Thanks,
  Jae '90 hawk


------------------------------

From BudBoren@aol.com Wed Apr  5 20:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Wind Protection

Does anyone know of a better wind protective faring than the TARGA I
presently have on my 89 HAWKGT. I am 6 ft. and the TARGA just does not cut it
. Thanks 


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From Gumby647@aol.com Wed Apr  5 21:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: brake pads

    Jae, 

  Don't use the SBS pads. They eat rotors like I eat doughnuts. I
have had good luck with Ferodo pads. Good pad wear and they are 
easy on the rotors.  You should bleed the brakes when you replace 
the pads. Keep bleeding them untill clean fluid comes out and always
use fluid from a new or well sealed container. Before you push the 
pistons back in the caliper you should also clean any dirt or brake
dust off the pistons.

                                                                  My .02
                                                              Gumby


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From sheldon@vortex.netbistro.com Wed Apr  5 21:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Bars


Rule 1: Never park your bike on the pavement with the kickstand in the 
dirt.  Can you say thud?  

As for the above, not a single itty bitty scratch on my '89 Hawk 647 GT 
from that incident except for bending the clutch and shift levers.  It's 
almost as if they're engineered to bend in a fall.  

Does anybody know of some cheaper aftermarket parts because I really 
don't feel like paying $65 for a new one?



------------------------------

From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Thu Apr  6 04:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Bars

In article  Sheldon Young  writes:
>As for the above, not a single itty bitty scratch on my '89 Hawk 647 GT 
>from that incident except for bending the clutch and shift levers.  It's 
>almost as if they're engineered to bend in a fall.  

>Does anybody know of some cheaper aftermarket parts because I really 
>don't feel like paying $65 for a new one?

I just bought a Hawk shift lever from Competition Accessories for $47.  My 
local dealer (Coleman Powersport) wanted $71.  It includes the lever and ball 
joint but not the rubber ($1-$2) or the pivot bolt, bushing, or washers.  They 
run a two-page add in Motorcyclist (probably others, too) every month.  If 
anyone has cheaper new Honda parts, I'd like to know about it. 

There are probably aftermarket clutch levers to fit, but the Honda one 
shouldn't be too expensive.

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT


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From peekay@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Thu Apr  6 06:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Bars

On April 6, 1995 David Mackintosh wrote:

>I just bought a Hawk shift lever from Competition Accessories for $47.  My 
>local dealer (Coleman Powersport) wanted $71.  It includes the lever and 
>ball 
>joint but not the rubber ($1-$2) or the pivot bolt, bushing, or 
>washers.  They 
>run a two-page add in Motorcyclist (probably others, too) every month.  If 
>anyone has cheaper new Honda parts, I'd like to know about it. 

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT

I don't recall a clutch level ever being that expensive, but I could be 
wrong...  I use MR Honda out of North Carolina for stock Honda pieces, 
and they've consistenly had cheaper prices than anyone else I've called.  
They also advertise often in the back of various bike rags i.e. 
MotorCyclist etc.

David Alvarez
pereira@seas.gwu.edu


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From peahat@mail.grove.ufl.edu Thu Apr  6 06:20 PDT 1995
Subject: WWW page

I just started using the Windows Netscape thing and was wondering if 
there's a web page for the Hawk.  Sorry if I wasn't paying attention 
before. 

thanks,
peahat

'90 Hawk
 


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From welder@rahul.net Thu Apr  6 08:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: brake pads

> 
> A couple of weeks ago I changed my brake pads to sbs. At first it felt 
> pretty good. I coudn't do much riding since I put them on since it's been 
> cold around here. Lately, the brakes have been kinda "notchy". Not 
> as smooth braking as the stockers. Should I 
> 
When I started racing I asked many of my friends (various makes/models) 
what their favorite pads are.  Almost all said that the Galfer "Green" 
pads were the best around.  So, that's what I tried.  They work great.  
One warning though, in nearly every bike I've ever seen use them they 
produce an interesting squeal when simply pushing the bike around (like 
in the garage) - doesn't seem to affect the performance though.  These 
pads seem to have good feel and no fade, even when racing.

Dean '89 Red RC31, '88 Red (for sale)
and
Karen '89 Blue RC31


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From gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu Thu Apr  6 09:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Help!  Stubborn allen head 

My apologies if the list has already received this.  I sent it yesterday
and never saw it appear, so I'm trying again.

*				*				*

Hi all Hawksters,

     I have a problem with a stubborn allen held bolt, and I'm hoping
one of you can give me a suggestion that will solve the problem:

     I took the fork tubes off of the Hawk a couple of weeks ago to 
finally install the Gold Tech emulator valve and Progressive springs.
Everything went smoothly until I wanted to take out the allen head bolt that
holds in the compression rod.  The bolt is located right above the holes
for the axle; in other words, it's recessed and in a place where there's
not much room to maneuver.  A t-handle 6mm hex wrench is needed.  It took
me about two weeks to finally locate one, and I was thrilled that I was
finally going to get those allen heads off.

     Well, the thrill is gone.  I can't get either bolt off with the t-handle.
It flexes too much.  I read in the manual that when you reassemble the
fork tubes, you're suppossed to put thread locking (e.g. Locktite) material
on the bolt.  I think they did this at the factory because both bolts feel
like they're cemented in.  I've tried: a) tapping on the head of the bolt
with a drift, as suggested in the Gold Tech directions; b) putting the spring
and cap back in and tapping on the head with a drift; c) drenching the bolt
in Liquid Wrench and tapping on the head with a drift.  So far, none of this
has worked.  One bolt is getting a little munged up, and I don't want to 
destroy it.  It will still accept the wrench, but every time I try to turn
the darn thing, it makes a loud popping noise, and the wrench pops out.

     I feel that my options are:

1) Use a handheld impact wrench.  Trouble is, I have one, but I don't have
a 6mm allen head bit that will go in it.  Is there a place where I can find
one?

2) Use an air impact wrench.  For this, I will have to find a place that
sells a 6mm hex head with a socket end and one that is long enough to go
through the narrow (about 12mm) hole to the bolt.  A friend has warned me 
me that an air impact might rip the head off of the bolt, which, of course,
would create an even worse problem.

3) Use heat.  But will this damage the aluminum?

4) Go to a shop and pay to have the buggers removed.  My pride balks at
this.  Also, the nearest shop is thirty miles away.  I'd rather not make the
trip if I don't have to.

Any suggestions or input?  I really want to get the Hawk back on the road.
Bike weather is here.  Thanks,

      				Pam

gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu

     


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Thu Apr  6 09:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: brake pads

> 
> A couple of weeks ago I changed my brake pads to sbs. At first it felt 
> pretty good. I coudn't do much riding since I put them on since it's been 
> cold around here. Lately, the brakes have been kinda "notchy". Not 
> as smooth braking as the stockers. Should I 
> have done something to the brkes before I put in the new pads? 
> I've always heard that aftermarket pads increase stopping power and feel. 
> I haven't felt either. What have you used, and how well did they work?

Make sure the lever isn't sticking on something.  Mine, on a LONG trip last
summer, decided to do this about 500 miles from home.  Really pissed
me off.  Try spooging (very conservatively) some WD40 onto the mating
surface of the brake lever with the brake lever holder/stay assembly.
SHould loosen things up a bit.

While we're on it, is there a good way to lube clutch cables?  Mine is 
starting to stick pretty bad, and my middle finger on that hand is
developing arthritis.  Geez, I'm getting old! :-)


Thanks!

Mike


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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Thu Apr  6 09:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Fairings

Bud inquires about an alternative to the Targa cafe fairing...

Bud, a friend of mine has a Tracy windshield on his Hawk. He's
about 6' tall & hasn't complained about lack of wind
protection. I believe the windshield is available in clear, 
smoke & rose tints. Check the Dennis Kirk catalog for
starters. Good luck.

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu




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From sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil Thu Apr  6 09:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head 

>2) Use an air impact wrench.  For this, I will have to find a place that
>sells a 6mm hex head with a socket end and one that is long enough to go
>through the narrow (about 12mm) hole to the bolt.  A friend has warned me 
>me that an air impact might rip the head off of the bolt, which, of course,
>would create an even worse problem.

    If not Sears, try snap-on. My partner has a set, so I don't. This is the
only tool for the job, IMHO.


>3) Use heat.  But will this damage the aluminum?

        No, but check the schematic to see if there are any plastic or
rubber parts down there.


rich



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From frank@dsea.com Thu Apr  6 13:12:25 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head


Use HEAT.  Locktite is designed to soften in heat.



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From frank@dsea.com Thu Apr  6 13:11:50 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head


Use HEAT.  Locktite is designed to soften in heat.



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Use HEAT.  Locktite is designed to soften in heat.



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Even Better Rule 1:  Take off you sidestand and throw it away.  Use
	the centerstand.

Alas, even if you use the centerstand, if it is 115F out and you get 
pulled over in the central CA desert for speed limit times two, you bike
will fall over as it sinks into the pavement.



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From GWH@UH.EDU Thu Apr  6 10:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head

Rich Sturges said:
 
[6mm hex socket]
>     If not Sears, try snap-on. My partner has a set, so I don't. This is the
> only tool for the job, IMHO.
 
Ditto what Rich said...  Sears should have it; that's where I bought
mine.  Don't have easy access to Snapon anymore.  You can buy the
sockets in a set or singly.  I've got a 5mm and 6mm which takes care of
about 90% of my uses.

Greg Hayes
-- 
Gregory W. Hayes        GWH@uh.edu      (713) 743-1559 (voice)
Workstation Services, Academic Support, UH
DISCLAIMER: Does anyone *really* care about my opinions?


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From frank@dsea.com Thu Apr  6 14:12:27 1995
Subject: Re: Bars


Even Better Rule 1:  Take off you sidestand and throw it away.  Use
	the centerstand.

Alas, even if you use the centerstand, if it is 115F out and you get 
pulled over in the central CA desert for speed limit times two, you bike
will fall over as it sinks into the pavement.



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From Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu Thu Apr  6 11:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Bars

If any of you following frank's advice about the sidestand would like to sell
me one for cheaper than 73$ (cost new), I'm looking for one.


thanks.

S


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From frank@dsea.com Thu Apr  6 14:37:29 1995
Subject: Re: Bars


Even Better Rule 1:  Take off you sidestand and throw it away.  Use
	the centerstand.

Alas, even if you use the centerstand, if it is 115F out and you get 
pulled over in the central CA desert for speed limit times two, you bike
will fall over as it sinks into the pavement.



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From frank@dsea.com Thu Apr  6 14:37:36 1995
Subject: Re: Bars


Even Better Rule 1:  Take off you sidestand and throw it away.  Use
	the centerstand.

Alas, even if you use the centerstand, if it is 115F out and you get 
pulled over in the central CA desert for speed limit times two, you bike
will fall over as it sinks into the pavement.



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From JPlott@aol.com Thu Apr  6 12:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: brake pads

Jae,
     In one of my many talks with Craig Erion at TBR, who has had probably
the most racing experience with the Hawk as anyone, He stated that the stock
pads for the Hawk were about the best you can buy.  In my race bikes I
 always used the old Forodo 2453 compound pads...alas...no longer available
due to the asbestos. I have not raced for a couple of years: consequently, I
must go by others opinions...Craig has an informed one.

 John


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From Roger_A._Hackett@ccmepus.mobil.com Thu Apr  6 12:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Bars

>Subject: Bars
>Author:  Sheldon Young  at INTERNET-MEPUS
>Date:    4/6/95 5:23 AM
     
>Rule 1: Never park your bike on the pavement with the kickstand in the 
>dirt.  Can you say thud?  
     
>As for the above, not a single itty bitty scratch on my '89 Hawk 647 GT 
>from that incident except for bending the clutch and shift levers.  It's 
>almost as if they're engineered to bend in a fall.  
     
>Does anybody know of some cheaper aftermarket parts because I really 
>don't feel like paying $65 for a new one?

I have bent both the clutch lever and the brake lever by knocking over my 
bike in the garage.  My local Honda dealer charged me $9.95 plus tax for 
each lever.  At $65, I think someone is trying to stick it to you.

Roger 
88 Blue



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From spatel@mcp.com Thu Apr  6 13:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head 

     
  Greetings !

  Pardon my ingnorance but what does a Gold Tech emulator valve do ?

  Duke

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Help!  Stubborn allen head 
Author:  gilman@mtwil1.netcom.com at Internet
Date:    4/6/95 8:23 AM


My apologies if the list has already received this.  I sent it yesterday 
and never saw it appear, so I'm trying again.
     
*				*				*
     
Hi all Hawksters,
     
     I have a problem with a stubborn allen held bolt, and I'm hoping
one of you can give me a suggestion that will solve the problem:
     
     I took the fork tubes off of the Hawk a couple of weeks ago to 
finally install the Gold Tech emulator valve and Progressive springs. 
Everything went smoothly until I wanted to take out the allen head bolt that 
holds in the compression rod.  The bolt is located right above the holes
for the axle; in other words, it's recessed and in a place where there's 
not much room to maneuver.  A t-handle 6mm hex wrench is needed.  It took 
me about two weeks to finally locate one, and I was thrilled that I was 
finally going to get those allen heads off.
     
     Well, the thrill is gone.  I can't get either bolt off with the t-handle.
It flexes too much.  I read in the manual that when you reassemble the
fork tubes, you're suppossed to put thread locking (e.g. Locktite) material 
on the bolt.  I think they did this at the factory because both bolts feel 
like they're cemented in.  I've tried: a) tapping on the head of the bolt 
with a drift, as suggested in the Gold Tech directions; b) putting the spring 
and cap back in and tapping on the head with a drift; c) drenching the bolt 
in Liquid Wrench and tapping on the head with a drift.  So far, none of this 
has worked.  One bolt is getting a little munged up, and I don't want to 
destroy it.  It will still accept the wrench, but every time I try to turn 
the darn thing, it makes a loud popping noise, and the wrench pops out.
     
     I feel that my options are:
     
1) Use a handheld impact wrench.  Trouble is, I have one, but I don't have 
a 6mm allen head bit that will go in it.  Is there a place where I can find 
one?
     
2) Use an air impact wrench.  For this, I will have to find a place that 
sells a 6mm hex head with a socket end and one that is long enough to go 
through the narrow (about 12mm) hole to the bolt.  A friend has warned me 
me that an air impact might rip the head off of the bolt, which, of course, 
would create an even worse problem.
     
3) Use heat.  But will this damage the aluminum?
     
4) Go to a shop and pay to have the buggers removed.  My pride balks at 
this.  Also, the nearest shop is thirty miles away.  I'd rather not make the 
trip if I don't have to.
     
Any suggestions or input?  I really want to get the Hawk back on the road. 
Bike weather is here.  Thanks,
     
      				Pam
     
gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu
     
     


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From jel@walker.com Thu Apr  6 13:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Chapparal

     
     Just thought I warn (i.e. "vent" to) everyone on the list to stay 
     away from the Chapparal mail order company.  I've literally spent 
     more than $400 with them over the past month, as well as some good 
     money in the past, and they've held shipment of a recent order
     due to the fact that one of the items was on back-order and that 
     item was needed to put the total of the shipment over $30 (their 
     minimum).  Can you believe it?  "Sorry, sir, we'd rather not spend 
     the extra $5 it will cost us to ship two packages.  We'd rather lose 
     all your future business."
     
     Jeff



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From tosch@acsu.buffalo.edu Thu Apr  6 14:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Mailing list


	I got this address through a friend, I apologize for not knowing 
who I'm sending this to.  I would like to be added to the mailing list, 
my e-mail address is as follows:

		tosch@acsu.buffalo.edu

	If for some reason that address does not work, I have a VAX 
account.  The address for that is V032HFA6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu.

Thanks for your help, I'm sorry if I don't have all the info you need.

Mike



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From bubbaz@umcc.umich.edu Thu Apr  6 14:20 PDT 1995

unsuscribe bubbaz@umcc.umcc.umich.edu



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From EINBERGER@aol.com Thu Apr  6 14:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chapparal

Jeez...Chaparral too!

I just had a similar (in that I am soured toward this company forever)
experience with Competition Accessories.  I ordered a supertrapp system for
my Hawk, and was told it would be in in 3-5 days.  Since I live reasonably
close to Springfield, OH, I siad "fine, I will call in a week, and come pick
it up".  Well, more that 2 weeks passed before my order came in, screwing up
my plans for picking it up - oh well, sacrifices must be made, right!
 Anyway, the call came to me on a Monday that the pipe was in, I said I'd be
up Saturday to pick it up....I called back Friday to confirm that the pipe
had arrived, I was told it was so.

It doesn't end there......when I got these Saturday morning, there were two
people in front on me at the counter.  The first had ordered something over
the phone, and was there to pick it up.  The counter people couldn't find his
part, and told him that the phone orderig dept had screwed up, because the
person he dealt with was new, and sent the customer on his was w/o his
part(s).....when they finally got to me, they asked my name, called up my
order, and said..."we'll be right back with your system".  A very short time
later, the counter person came back and said he couldn't find it, the phone
order people screwed up, etc....and tried to send me on my way!  At this point
, I had to raise holy %$#&, since I had been assured that my pipe was there
on 2 separate occasions.   The manager grudgingly agreed to look for the
pipe, and miraculously "found" it about 20 minutes later.  (Not done yet)
 The box he brought our looked like it had been run over by a fleet of UPS
trucks, so I made them open it.  The pipe was very poorly packed in broken
styrofoam and old newspapers, and the front header pipe had tape stuck all
over it (what a joy it was cleaning that off!).  I didn't see it until I got
home, but the muffler section had a series of dents in it also (fortunately
on the back side)...what an overall crappy deal!  

My analysis...since C.A. moved to their new, bigger, better location, their
customer service (of which I had previously gushed over) has really fallen
thru the floor!  STAY AWAY UNTIL THEY GET THEIR %$#$#@ TOGETHER!

John

Just invoking the "law of 250" (or hopefully more in this case!)


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From frank@dsea.com Thu Apr  6 13:10:06 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head


Use HEAT.  Locktite is designed to soften in heat.



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From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Thu Apr  6 14:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Bars



On Thu, 6 Apr 1995, Frank Evan Perdicaro wrote:

> 
> Even Better Rule 1:  Take off you sidestand and throw it away.  Use
> 	the centerstand.
> 
> Alas, even if you use the centerstand, if it is 115F out and you get 
> pulled over in the central CA desert for speed limit times two, you bike
> will fall over as it sinks into the pavement.

Take a can (a beer can will do). Drink or eat the contents as appropriate. 
Wash the can.  Smash the can flat.  Carry this can in your tank bag.  When
you have to stop, put this can under the sidestand foot.  This is not a
perfect solution (the whole unit will sink into the tarmac under the
conditions above), but it generally works very well for dirt and gravel
parking lots or quick stops by the side of the road.

Ln



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From sheldon@vortex.netbistro.com Thu Apr  6 15:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Chapparal

        
>experience with Competition Accessories.  I ordered a supertrapp system for
>my Hawk, and was told it would be in in 3-5 days.  Since I live reasonably

What sort of improvment do you notice with the SuperTrapp, and what sort of
price?

>My analysis...since C.A. moved to their new, bigger, better location, their
>customer service (of which I had previously gushed over) has really fallen
>thru the floor!  STAY AWAY UNTIL THEY GET THEIR %$#$#@ TOGETHER!

Afraid the local Honda dealer here isn't that wonderful either.  Not horrible, 
they just seem to be rather crappy.  Fortunately I can avoid them for most
things.



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From Karottop@aol.com Thu Apr  6 15:36 PDT 1995
Subject: List Request

I would like to be on the list. Thank you

                               
                                        Carrie Pharr
                                                or
                                           Karottop
                                    
                              


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From Juniorvan@aol.com Thu Apr  6 17:05 PDT 1995
Subject: hawkgt motorcycle discusion list

pleas put me on your mailing list



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From laszlo@alumni.cs.colorado.edu Thu Apr  6 22:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:  Bars

	Rule 1: Never park your bike on the pavement with the kickstand in the 
	dirt.  Can you say thud?  
	
interesting. mine spent all winter outside in the snow, on dirt,
through major wind storms, using the sidestand. it was still 
standing when i started to de-winterize it. maybe your dirt
needs some steroids? or your hawk a diet?


laz


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From Juniorvan@aol.com Thu Apr  6 22:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: hawkgt motorcycle discusi...

i want to be on a motorcycle list but couldn't find any off road one could
you help?


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From gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu Fri Apr  7 09:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Help!  Stubborn allen head

Duke,

    The Race Tech Gold Valve cartridge emulator (I got the name turned around
a bit in my last post) "emulates" a cartridge fork.  It basically helps to
adjust compression and rebound damping.  You can read all about it in the
September, 1994 issue of Motorcyclist (p. 97) and in the February, 1995 issue
of Sport Rider (pp. 72-73).  Also, you can read about cartridge forks and why
they are better than the damping-rod fork in Sport Rider, August, 1994 (p. 98).

    To quote from the first article, Motorcyclist: "Basically, it's a 
threaded valve that screws on top of the damping rod.  A spring, which can be
replaced with stiffer or softer units, adjusts the preload of a flapper valve
that controls compression damping.  To adjust compression, simply remove the
fork caps, insert an allen wrench and adjust the small spring's preload.  
Rebound damping is controlled with oil viscosity and a small orifice drilled
in the flapper valve.  The holes in the damper rod are drilled out big enough
that they no longer restrict oil flow."  

    And further: "Where the old bike would chatter its front wheel in ripply,
high-speed turn one, the Emulator-equipped bike sailed through as if it were
on rails.  Where the old bike would pogo and bottom fiercely during aggressive
transitions and under hard braking, the Emulator-ized machine stayed planted
and offered a firm, controlled, feedback-intensive base from which to operate.
. . . .  The fork worked better on the street, too, with plenty of compliance
and a much more planted feel at speed."

    John Platt actually has the valves installed in his forks, and earlier on
this list has praised them.  As you know, I'm working on it. :-)

     BTW, thanks to everyone for suggestions on the stubborn allen head bolt.
I'm ordering a socket 6mm hex wrench today.  I'll combine that with heat and
see how it goes.

      			Always trying to emulate the best,

      			Pam

gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu 



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From frank@dsea.com Mon Apr 10 20:24:16 1995
Subject: Re: hawkgt motorcycle discusi...


Try posting to rec.motorcycles.dirt on the news list.  That should help.



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From sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil Tue Apr 11 06:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level

>     Question:  I am grafting the front end of a F2 onto my Hawk GT.
>     before I put the new forks on I will be replacing the fork oil
>     and dropping in some Progressive springs.  The Honda manual (for
>     the F2) lists fork oil level in mm's.  I want to confirm...is
>     this mm's as measured from the top of the fork tube?  Forks
>     fully compressed, without springs, right?

    Yes, you fill it the the recommended level, measured down from the top
with the fork spring removed, forks compressed. I would think about those
progressive springs a bit more as the hawk is lighter than the F2 but the F2
stock springs are stiffer, and the Prog. Springs for the F2 would be stiffer
still. You may need to use the hawk springs.

>     Anyone have experience setting up F2 forks on a Hawk?  
>     Recommendations?  Thanks.

    I sent a copy to the Hawk list, maybe someone there can reply to you
directly. (hint hint)

rich



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From SYSPMS@UCSDMVSA.UCSD.EDU Tue Apr 11 09:20 PDT 1995
Subject: help

I lost the web address and can't get on.  If anyone could e-mail me the
Internet address it would surely help. I remember the first part, I think?
Was it   hhtp:    well I forgot the rest. Thanks


Mike

'88 Bird of Pray


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From Hawky647@aol.com Tue Apr 11 10:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level

When I put the F2 front end on my Hawk I did not change anything and it seems
to be right. I think you should wait  on the Progressive springs until you
try the stock ones.


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From peahat@mail.grove.ufl.edu Tue Apr 11 10:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Corbin seat

I curious how other owners liked their seat and about how they paid (if 
that's okay).  My stock seat had a bump at the back that kind of forced 
me to slide forward, but you can't feel it just running your hand over 
the surface.  It really started to bug me, so I peeled the skin back and 
just leveled off the surface (*scraping* the foam, not cutting).  It 
seems to work better with my Super Allyn Air seat, but on mid-distance 
rides (when I don't use the air seat) the seat is kind of hard on the old 
bootie. 
	Is the Corbin seat really a big improvement?  Is it better to get 
the single saddle (can a passenger ride on the back for short 
distances)?  Has anyone gotten the passenger backrest?
 
Big thanks
peaht
a




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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Apr 11 11:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level

> 
> When I put the F2 front end on my Hawk I did not change anything and it seems
> to be right. I think you should wait  on the Progressive springs until you
> try the stock ones.
> 


I'm inclined to agree.  THe Hawk progressives are fairly stiff.  I would
imagine that with the increased dampening on the F2, it'd only get
stiffer.

Stick with stock for now.  You can always change them out later.


Mike


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From KCORSIGLIA@aol.com Mon Apr 10 19:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Mailing List

Please add me to your mailings.

Thanks.


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I have the full Corbin seat: gunfighter and lady with backrest.  Mostly at
my wife's behest.  

The Corbin is different for the driver and much better for the passenger.

I could ride the stock seat ( and did ) all day long.  

You will find that most of your riding comfort comes from a good set of 
leathers, not from the seat.

The $300 seat made about $300 worth of comfort.  My full-custom leathers
from Vanson made about $850 worth of comfort.  No real comparason.



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From MEL1523@ACS.TAMU.EDU Tue Apr 11 11:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Corbin Seat


;I curious how other owners liked their seat and about how they paid (if 
;that's okay).  My stock seat had a bump at the back that kind of forced 
;me to slide forward, but you can't feel it just running your hand over 
;the surface.  It really started to bug me, so I peeled the skin back and 
;just leveled off the surface (*scraping* the foam, not cutting).  It 
;seems to work better with my Super Allyn Air seat, but on mid-distance 
;rides (when I don't use the air seat) the seat is kind of hard on the old 
;bootie. 
;	Is the Corbin seat really a big improvement?  Is it better to get 
;the single saddle (can a passenger ride on the back for short 
;distances)?  Has anyone gotten the passenger backrest?
 
I have the Corbin - passenger style.  It was a big improvement.  I bought it 
right from Bruce Corbin at this last Daytona for $234.  The little backrest 
deal cost extra, and I didn't get one.  I don't carry people very often, but 
the seat makes a nice holder for bungee-netting things down, which I do 
often.  The 1100 miles back were much more pleasant than the 1100 there.

Mitch Loescher




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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr 11 14:45:32 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat


I have the full Corbin seat: gunfighter and lady with backrest.  Mostly at
my wife's behest.  

The Corbin is different for the driver and much better for the passenger.

I could ride the stock seat ( and did ) all day long.  

You will find that most of your riding comfort comes from a good set of 
leathers, not from the seat.

The $300 seat made about $300 worth of comfort.  My full-custom leathers
from Vanson made about $850 worth of comfort.  No real comparason.



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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr 11 14:49:52 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat


I have the full Corbin seat: gunfighter and lady with backrest.  Mostly at
my wife's behest.  

The Corbin is different for the driver and much better for the passenger.

I could ride the stock seat ( and did ) all day long.  

You will find that most of your riding comfort comes from a good set of 
leathers, not from the seat.

The $300 seat made about $300 worth of comfort.  My full-custom leathers
from Vanson made about $850 worth of comfort.  No real comparason.



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From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr 11 14:44:08 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat


I have the full Corbin seat: gunfighter and lady with backrest.  Mostly at
my wife's behest.  

The Corbin is different for the driver and much better for the passenger.

I could ride the stock seat ( and did ) all day long.  

You will find that most of your riding comfort comes from a good set of 
leathers, not from the seat.

The $300 seat made about $300 worth of comfort.  My full-custom leathers
from Vanson made about $850 worth of comfort.  No real comparason.



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From AXELR8@aol.com Tue Apr 11 14:22 PDT 1995
Subject: HAWKGT

Please sign me up for the Hawk mailing list.My e-mail address is AXELR8.


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From <@gaudi.CSUFresno.EDU:tprigmo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU> Tue Apr 11 14:23 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat

The Following flowed forth from Todd Julian Chambery:
> 
> I curious how other owners liked their seat and about how they paid (if 
> that's okay).  My stock seat had a bump at the back that kind of forced 
> me to slide forward,

[snip-ola]

> the seat is kind of hard on the old bootie. 
> 	Is the Corbin seat really a big improvement?  Is it better to get 
> the single saddle (can a passenger ride on the back for short 
> distances)?  Has anyone gotten the passenger backrest?
>  
Todd,
     I ordered the Gunfighter (solo seat) over the phone directly from
Corbin and recieved it quicker than they said, about 5 months ago...
so far its great, nice, wide, and flat.
     I never realized how much I was sliding forward forward on the
stock seat, especially with a passenger. The basket weave isn't as
slick either, which helps you stay in place.
     The Corbin people were really nice and even threw in flames on
the saddle for free! Although I was little worried about how it would
look, the red matches the bike well and makes it look faster!
(I think I got a 10% horsepower boost from the flames!)
     I've taken my girlfriend across town on it and she said that it wasn't
too uncomfortable. She didn't squash the seat either (but she only
weighs 105 lbs.)....I wonder if she had flames impressed on her butt? ;~)
     	       	   Hope it helps,
     	       	    	      Todd
 
916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916
This E-mail is Desmodronically powered...For your safety please step back.
     	       	    	      	       
'89 Hawk GT   (imitation Duck)         Todd Prigmore
     	       	    	      	       tprigmo@csufresno.edu
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All opinions expressed belong soley to me, in spite of the objections
of those whom I have ripped off.


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From <@gaudi.CSUFresno.EDU:tprigmo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU> Tue Apr 11 14:23 PDT 1995
Subject: [Q] F2 front end

Hi all,
     Where can I get a good deal on an F2 front end (and don't say
"the dealer"!)? Where did you find yours? and how much should I expect
to shell out?
     	       	    	      Thanks in advance,
     	       	    	      	   	     Todd

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This E-mail is Desmodronically powered...For your safety please step back.
     	       	    	      	       
'89 Hawk GT   (imitation Duck)         Todd Prigmore
     	       	    	      	       tprigmo@csufresno.edu
916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916
All opinions expressed belong soley to me, in spite of the objections
of those whom I have ripped off.


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From rawlins@cig.mot.com Tue Apr 11 15:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat

> 
> 
> I have the full Corbin seat: gunfighter and lady with backrest.  Mostly at
> my wife's behest.  
> 
> The Corbin is different for the driver and much better for the passenger.
> 
> I could ride the stock seat ( and did ) all day long.  
> 
> You will find that most of your riding comfort comes from a good set of 
> leathers, not from the seat.
> 
> The $300 seat made about $300 worth of comfort.  My full-custom leathers
> from Vanson made about $850 worth of comfort.  No real comparason.
> 

Maybe all you needed was a set of "Vanson full-custom leather" underpants.
I figure if a full suit costs $850, the shorts should only run about $200.  
Hell, for that price you could get your wife a pair too!  :) :) :)


Rob Rawlins  (rawlins@cig.mot.com)              90 Yamaha FJ1200
                                                90 Honda  HawkGT
DoD# 1172                                       81 Suzuki PE400




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From EINBERGER@aol.com Tue Apr 11 15:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat

I just got a new Corbin "Gunfighter" seat 2 weeks ago, and so far I really, I
mean REALLY, like it!  The stock seat had a tendancy to promote sliding up
into the tank (ouch!) when braking hard, the Corbin does not; also, the
Corbin is wider thru the seat area than the stock, a big improvement!

The best compliment I can give the Corbin comes from a ride I took last
Sunday....I burned 2 tanks of gas while I was out on a "cycle-therapy" ride
(definition:  I do some of my best thinking when I am relaxed on a cycle
ride) - about 250 miles.  I got back to my apt., parked the bike, and then
first had any thought at all about the seat!  Normally, I am getting uncomfort
able after 75-100 miles, so this was a vast improvement!

My seat cost around $260 direct from Corbin, definitely the way to go!  I had
it built custom in regards to both style (all black with Ninja red piping)
and functionality (gave my height and weight, as well as riding style info),
which caused them to quote me a 4 week delivery time.  Since this seat was
really what I wanted, I agreed it would be worth the wait.  The seat showed
up at my door 10 days later!  I am by no means guaranteeing they can deliver
so fast for you, but needless to say, was VERY happy!  Corbins number is
1-800-538-7035.

Any more ques., just ask!

John

'88 Grey Bird o' Prey


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From spatel@mcp.com Tue Apr 11 15:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Wanted !! Corbin Seat

     
     Greetings !!
     
     With all this talk going on about the Corbin seat I figured I better 
     pipe in... I am cheap and thought maybe there is someone out there who 
     wants to get rid of a Corbin seat.  I know.. you guys are wondering 
     now why would anyone get rid of something that is so good...well maybe 
     someone needs some extra dough to buy a set of custom leathers :).
     
     
     Thanks
     
     Duke
     '89 Red


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From Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu Tue Apr 11 16:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Speaking of Leathers

I am just curious as to what my fellow hawkers ride in (besides tevasTM and No
FearTM tank-tops ;-{  ).

I ride in a cant-miss-me-red Aerostitch Roadcrafter two piece with
just-in-case-the-volvo-didnt-miss-me back-protector.  I am very satisfied with
my suit--esp for its versatility.

Frank rides in custom leathers.  
What's preferred out there among hawkers?
Just curious.

S
'88 blue
(No Corbin, yet)


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From Teleiott@aol.com Tue Apr 11 16:51 PDT 1995
Subject: 92 nighthawk 750

I am looking for ways to make the nighthawk ride bigger. What modifications
are you aware of that can make this bike more comfortable on long rides? I
look forward to hearing from the list.


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From GTRider9@aol.com Tue Apr 11 17:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Measuring fork oil level

I have had a '94 CBR600F2 front end (using the Hawk sliders and front brake)
on my '88 Hawk for about a year.  With the preload set at minimum using the
stock CBR springs I have 1.125" of sack with a 200lb rider on board.  As Rick
suggested, Progressive springs are not necessary!  I never checked to see if
the Hawk springs would work.


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From wroof@ns1.netside.com Tue Apr 11 17:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat

>	Is the Corbin seat really a big improvement?  Is it better to get 
> 
>Big thanks
>peaht
>a


I bought my Hawk with the solo Corbin, and thought it was great until I
tried the stock seat for a lark; now I generally use the stock one. I don't
find anything objectionable about the stock seat, and I actually prefer the
stocker's narrow profile. If I'd paid big bucks for it separately, I would
have been disappointed. The Corbin seems to rotate my hips forward, putting
more pressure on my legs.

If you hate the stock seat, you might try an upholstery shop for
modifications, saving some $$$ for gas.

Dave Roof

wroof@mail.netside.com  w.roof@genie.geis.com [Yane]  '85 K100RT
West Columbia SC  BMWMOA 68743  HRCA  Conebutt  CORT  '88 Hawk [Jason] 



------------------------------

From ehofmann@freenet.vcu.edu Tue Apr 11 17:36 PDT 1995
Subject: noise help



I sent this question out before, but I think something whent
wrong with my mail. I apologize if this got through before.

I just got my Hawk. I've been noticing a whining noise. It is
fairly quiet. I can't hear it above 2000 rpm. I only notice it
when I'm coming to a stop (clutch in, throtle down), The brakes do
not make a difference. It does vary with bike speed. My guess
is tires or chain. The bike has 16000 miles. The back tire will
probably pass inspection but should be replaced. The front
looks OK. The chain is still within wear limits & the sproket
looks OK. Any thoughts whould be appreciated.

Ed Hofmann
'89 Red


------------------------------

From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr 11 23:04:56 1995
Subject: Notes on seat et leathers


Lest anybody laught at the thought of leathers making the ride more 
comfortabel, I can only say that you should ask around on rec.motorcycles
for a while and see how many folks agree with me.  

Leather underpants would not do it.

The support from properly fit, good leathers is hard to even talk about
until you have experienced it.  When I ride, I do not notice what I am 
wearing, ever.  No seams, no clumps of leather, no binds, etc.  My leathers
are cut for me to sit on my Hawk wearing a particular helmet, boots and 
gloves plus full body armor, pants, shirt and sweatshirt.  ( Stop that
though! No, I have not changed weight much since about 1982.  
No "revisions" have been needed from Vanson. ) 

They are comfortable at 115 F and at 10 F, in the rain, the snow, deep
water, heavy mud and strong sun.  Once warmed up, the seat-to-pants
friction is always the same.  Plus I can get off at 100 mph and only
worry about hitting something hard.

I chose a tasteful grey and black color scheme, with yellow Vanson patch,
rather than the Nuclear Goat Puke Fashion one finds with most 
motorcycle clothing.  Thus I can, and have many times, worn my leathers
around while shopping, etc, without fear of being arrested for suspicion 
of 264 motor vehical offenses last weekend ( mistakenly of course ).
Grey and black also looks MUCH SLOWER than Nuclear Goat Puke ( but 
not slow enough some times ).  Hardly any body wants to steal plain
grey leathers.  Pants don't flap in the wind; the jacket collar does
not abrade my neck.  The arms are long enough...

If your leathers fit well, you will not need a new seat ( unless you
have a spouse that wants to be a passenger ).  You will always have
something to wear, and you can crash and either die or walk away 
bruised -- no road rash.  Makes a good Haloween outfit, too; just add
a chainsaw and some bloody rags.

For the last Joust, I rode my Hawk from 4:30 AM until about 11:30 PM.
I had to stop for five or six tanks of gas, but no "butt breaks".  The
leathers were comfortabel all day.

Its hard to see a minus other than cost.  But, if you can afford 
$3000 for a Hawk, plus insurance, plus doo dahs, seats, tires, bags,
gas, chains, etc, you can afford $850 for sensible comfortable 
clothing.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



------------------------------

From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr 11 22:34:36 1995
Subject: Notes on seat et leathers


Lest anybody laught at the thought of leathers making the ride more 
comfortabel, I can only say that you should ask around on rec.motorcycles
for a while and see how many folks agree with me.  

Leather underpants would not do it.

The support from properly fit, good leathers is hard to even talk about
until you have experienced it.  When I ride, I do not notice what I am 
wearing, ever.  No seams, no clumps of leather, no binds, etc.  My leathers
are cut for me to sit on my Hawk wearing a particular helmet, boots and 
gloves plus full body armor, pants, shirt and sweatshirt.  ( Stop that
though! No, I have not changed weight much since about 1982.  
No "revisions" have been needed from Vanson. ) 

They are comfortable at 115 F and at 10 F, in the rain, the snow, deep
water, heavy mud and strong sun.  Once warmed up, the seat-to-pants
friction is always the same.  Plus I can get off at 100 mph and only
worry about hitting something hard.

I chose a tasteful grey and black color scheme, with yellow Vanson patch,
rather than the Nuclear Goat Puke Fashion one finds with most 
motorcycle clothing.  Thus I can, and have many times, worn my leathers
around while shopping, etc, without fear of being arrested for suspicion 
of 264 motor vehical offenses last weekend ( mistakenly of course ).
Grey and black also looks MUCH SLOWER than Nuclear Goat Puke ( but 
not slow enough some times ).  Hardly any body wants to steal plain
grey leathers.  Pants don't flap in the wind; the jacket collar does
not abrade my neck.  The arms are long enough...

If your leathers fit well, you will not need a new seat ( unless you
have a spouse that wants to be a passenger ).  You will always have
something to wear, and you can crash and either die or walk away 
bruised -- no road rash.  Makes a good Haloween outfit, too; just add
a chainsaw and some bloody rags.

For the last Joust, I rode my Hawk from 4:30 AM until about 11:30 PM.
I had to stop for five or six tanks of gas, but no "butt breaks".  The
leathers were comfortabel all day.

Its hard to see a minus other than cost.  But, if you can afford 
$3000 for a Hawk, plus insurance, plus doo dahs, seats, tires, bags,
gas, chains, etc, you can afford $850 for sensible comfortable 
clothing.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



------------------------------

From frank@dsea.com Tue Apr 11 22:27:11 1995
Subject: Notes on seat et leathers


Lest anybody laught at the thought of leathers making the ride more 
comfortabel, I can only say that you should ask around on rec.motorcycles
for a while and see how many folks agree with me.  

Leather underpants would not do it.

The support from properly fit, good leathers is hard to even talk about
until you have experienced it.  When I ride, I do not notice what I am 
wearing, ever.  No seams, no clumps of leather, no binds, etc.  My leathers
are cut for me to sit on my Hawk wearing a particular helmet, boots and 
gloves plus full body armor, pants, shirt and sweatshirt.  ( Stop that
though! No, I have not changed weight much since about 1982.  
No "revisions" have been needed from Vanson. ) 

They are comfortable at 115 F and at 10 F, in the rain, the snow, deep
water, heavy mud and strong sun.  Once warmed up, the seat-to-pants
friction is always the same.  Plus I can get off at 100 mph and only
worry about hitting something hard.

I chose a tasteful grey and black color scheme, with yellow Vanson patch,
rather than the Nuclear Goat Puke Fashion one finds with most 
motorcycle clothing.  Thus I can, and have many times, worn my leathers
around while shopping, etc, without fear of being arrested for suspicion 
of 264 motor vehical offenses last weekend ( mistakenly of course ).
Grey and black also looks MUCH SLOWER than Nuclear Goat Puke ( but 
not slow enough some times ).  Hardly any body wants to steal plain
grey leathers.  Pants don't flap in the wind; the jacket collar does
not abrade my neck.  The arms are long enough...

If your leathers fit well, you will not need a new seat ( unless you
have a spouse that wants to be a passenger ).  You will always have
something to wear, and you can crash and either die or walk away 
bruised -- no road rash.  Makes a good Haloween outfit, too; just add
a chainsaw and some bloody rags.

For the last Joust, I rode my Hawk from 4:30 AM until about 11:30 PM.
I had to stop for five or six tanks of gas, but no "butt breaks".  The
leathers were comfortabel all day.

Its hard to see a minus other than cost.  But, if you can afford 
$3000 for a Hawk, plus insurance, plus doo dahs, seats, tires, bags,
gas, chains, etc, you can afford $850 for sensible comfortable 
clothing.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



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Lest anybody laught at the thought of leathers making the ride more 
comfortabel, I can only say that you should ask around on rec.motorcycles
for a while and see how many folks agree with me.  

Leather underpants would not do it.

The support from properly fit, good leathers is hard to even talk about
until you have experienced it.  When I ride, I do not notice what I am 
wearing, ever.  No seams, no clumps of leather, no binds, etc.  My leathers
are cut for me to sit on my Hawk wearing a particular helmet, boots and 
gloves plus full body armor, pants, shirt and sweatshirt.  ( Stop that
though! No, I have not changed weight much since about 1982.  
No "revisions" have been needed from Vanson. ) 

They are comfortable at 115 F and at 10 F, in the rain, the snow, deep
water, heavy mud and strong sun.  Once warmed up, the seat-to-pants
friction is always the same.  Plus I can get off at 100 mph and only
worry about hitting something hard.

I chose a tasteful grey and black color scheme, with yellow Vanson patch,
rather than the Nuclear Goat Puke Fashion one finds with most 
motorcycle clothing.  Thus I can, and have many times, worn my leathers
around while shopping, etc, without fear of being arrested for suspicion 
of 264 motor vehical offenses last weekend ( mistakenly of course ).
Grey and black also looks MUCH SLOWER than Nuclear Goat Puke ( but 
not slow enough some times ).  Hardly any body wants to steal plain
grey leathers.  Pants don't flap in the wind; the jacket collar does
not abrade my neck.  The arms are long enough...

If your leathers fit well, you will not need a new seat ( unless you
have a spouse that wants to be a passenger ).  You will always have
something to wear, and you can crash and either die or walk away 
bruised -- no road rash.  Makes a good Haloween outfit, too; just add
a chainsaw and some bloody rags.

For the last Joust, I rode my Hawk from 4:30 AM until about 11:30 PM.
I had to stop for five or six tanks of gas, but no "butt breaks".  The
leathers were comfortabel all day.

Its hard to see a minus other than cost.  But, if you can afford 
$3000 for a Hawk, plus insurance, plus doo dahs, seats, tires, bags,
gas, chains, etc, you can afford $850 for sensible comfortable 
clothing.

Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.	   3700 Segerstrom Ave
inhouse: frank@server, x210		      Santa Ana CA
outhouse: frank@dsea.com, 714-546-9491x210	 92704       DoD:1097



------------------------------

From Jakedj@aol.com Wed Apr 12 10:07 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Speaking of Leathers

full protech leather suit.

just bought it new on sale. $400
you dont have to spend a fortune to get an ok full set of leathers.
jake joseph


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From RSAcker@aol.com Wed Apr 12 10:11 PDT 1995
Subject: Pipe & Jet kit

I am interested in purchasing a new exhaust and jet kit for my "88
Hawk.  What combination can anyone suggest?  What kind of horsepower increase
can I expect?  Has anyone ever had a Dyno done after replacing the stock pipe
& jets?


                                                  Thanks,
                                                   Scott



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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Apr 12 10:14 PDT 1995
Subject: Leathers


I ride in a First Gear Scout jacket that i got with the bike, and I have
some Langlitz leather pants, but I rarely use them.  The leather pants are
just too much of a pain to put on when I'm only going to school.

Phil




------------------------------

From jel@walker.com Wed Apr 12 10:18 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk parts available

     
     Being that I am grafting a F2 front end on my Hawk, I have front
     end parts available if anyone is interested.  Contact me via
     e-mail.
     
     Jeff



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From carolync@fsg.com Wed Apr 12 10:21 PDT 1995
Subject: F.Y.I. on Hawk FS@dealer in chicago


Yesterday, I saw a red '89 for sale  (at Des Plaines Honda on Northwest
Hwy, for any locals), and they said they were asking $3700, though
it seemed negotiable.  True, it was virtually mint w/only 4700 mi,
but still....just another reassurance about their desirability i  guess.

Carolyn Cullen
carolync@fsg.com	DoD#0450	'89 Hawk GT	'77 CB550K


------------------------------

From wroof@ns1.netside.com Wed Apr 12 10:24 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat

>i dont suppose i could convince you to sell me that corbin....


Though I might not use the Corbin much, I've decided to sell it with the
bike IF I ever do so. Gomenasai.

Dave Roof

wroof@mail.netside.com  w.roof@genie.geis.com [Yane]  '85 K100RT
West Columbia SC  BMWMOA 68743  HRCA  Conebutt  CORT  '88 Hawk [Jason] 



------------------------------

From wroof@ns1.netside.com Wed Apr 12 13:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin/ No Sale

I may not use the Corbin much, but I'm not ready to sell it yet either. I'm
figuring it will be more valuable if and when I sell the bike. Gomen.

Dave Roof

wroof@mail.netside.com  w.roof@genie.geis.com [Yane]  '85 K100RT
West Columbia SC  BMWMOA 68743  HRCA  Conebutt  CORT  '88 Hawk [Jason] 



------------------------------

From Hawky647@aol.com Wed Apr 12 13:51 PDT 1995
Subject: A Bunch of Things

First, i am having problems sending mail. I am on America Online and when
online they have two different ways to reply  to mail:  REPLY and REPLY TO
ALL.  Neither seem to work so I am sending this addressed to HAWKGT@DSEA.COM
to see if it works.
Second, Corbin saddle; I got mine for $50 (with a couple little rips) from a
guy who didn't like it because he was short. I hated the stock seat and would
never trade back.  In a year and a half (15,000 miles) the rips haven't
gotten any worse.
Third, Leathers; I have a set of Fieldsheer 2 piece leathers with full body
armor and Kushitani back protecter. They have hit the pavement a few times
and have held up well except for the knee sliders which are even thinner than
my credit cards.  If any has a pair of thick ones I would be willing to
trade.


------------------------------

From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Apr 12 10:28 PDT 1995
Subject: 92 nighthawk 750

Teleiott says...
>I am looking for ways to make the nighthawk ride bigger. What modifications
>are you aware of that can make this bike more comfortable on long rides? I
>look forward to hearing from the list.

Uh, sell it and get a Hawk.

Sorry to be so abrupt, but a nighthawk 750 ain't no Hawk.  You're on the
wrong list, my friend....

Two cylinders good.  Four bad.
Phil




------------------------------

From ehofmann@freenet.vcu.edu Wed Apr 12 10:31 PDT 1995
Subject: noise help



I sent this question out before, but I think something went
wrong with my mail. I apologize if this got through before.

I just got my Hawk. I've been noticing a whining noise. It is
fairly quiet. I can't hear it above 2000 rpm. I only notice it
when I'm coming to a stop (clutch in, throttle down), The
brakes do not make a difference. It does vary with bike speed. My guess
is tires or chain. The bike has 16000 miles. The back tire will
probably pass inspection but should be replaced. The front
looks OK. The chain is still within wear limits & the sprocket
looks OK. Any thoughts would be appreciated.


Ed Hofmann

'89 Red




------------------------------

From tschorer@mbl.edu Wed Apr 12 10:35 PDT 1995
Subject: re: speaking of leathers

REPLY TO: tschorer@mbl.edu

Yup, luv that 'stich.  After several trips to Vanson (right up the road) 
I broke down and bought an Aerostich.  Don't get me wrong, the Vanson 
suits are beautiful, but it occured to me when I was trying them on what 
a pain in the ass they are.  I'm standing there in the dressing room 
wrastlin with a pair of leather pants and thought "shit, I don't wanna 
go through this every time I get on the bike" and "what am I gonna do 
with these clothes when I ride to work?"
With the stich I'm zipped in and out the door in seconds, and more 
importantly, at work I'm unzipped and drinking coffee in seconds.
T


------------------------------

From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Wed Apr 12 10:38 PDT 1995
Subject: Noise Help

Ed inquires about possible noise coming from chain or tires....

Ed, could be any number of things - brakes, wheel bearings, etc.
But with 16K on your drive chain, this might be a good place to
start. At 13K I noticed an audible noise at low speeds, especially
with the clutch in. Although my chain was within wear limits, I
discovered several links that were binding. By working kerosene
into the side plates I was able to reduce the binding & subsequently
some of the noise. However, the final remedy was to replace the
chain (& the sprockets while I was at it).

Good luck.

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu




------------------------------

From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Apr 12 10:42 PDT 1995
Subject: Back Issues of Hawkgt?


Howdy folks,

I've waited two weeks now since sending my "ls" command to the hotrod
listserv to try to get a list of back issues of the hawkgt mailing list.  I
appreciate the list maintainer's effort to keep us all in touch, but I wish
that the back issue thingee worked better.

Does anyone have the back issues in a handy-dandy tarfile or compressed
text file?

If anyone has them, I'd like to have a copy, and I'd be happy to put them
on my anonymous ftp server so that we can all have access to them....

I'm looking for information on the various aftermarket exhausts that are
available.  I saw several cool Hawks in Boulder this past week, including a
custom paint-job RC-31 one, and a very trick looking one without a fairing.


I'd like to have the phone numbers/addresses for all the companies that
make and sell parts/accessories that work with my bike....

Thanks a bunch,
Phil





------------------------------

From tschorer@mbl.edu Wed Apr 12 10:45 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Corbin seat

REPLY TO: tschorer@mbl.edu

     I can only report on a friends experience with corbin.  After 
waiting a month for a gunfighter plus for is CBR1000 it arrived and did 
not fit.  A quick call to Corbin got the response "it's a force fit", 
bullshit, he ground some bits down on the underside to make it fit.  The 
saddle did not come with a petcock surround, a little trimpiece that 
fits around a hole in the saddle where the fuel valve is located.  Now, 
they know you're gonna need this $2 part, why not just include one and 
bill you for it?  His third complaint was the finish, piping is just not 
straight around the back.
        Now some minor bitches, the seat weighs about 40lbs (a 
gunfighter +...folding backrest) this thing is HEAVY.  It is 
uncomfortable around town as it has some real dish to it and digs into 
your legs when you have your feet on the ground.
        His overall impression is that Corbin has lousy customer service 
and a product that is a bad value as far as fit and finish goes (he paid 
over $300 for this saddle) but they are the only game in town(?).


------------------------------

From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Apr 12 10:47 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: noise help

>I sent this question out before, but I think something whent
>wrong with my mail. I apologize if this got through before.
>
>I just got my Hawk. I've been noticing a whining noise. It is
>fairly quiet. I can't hear it above 2000 rpm. I only notice it
>when I'm coming to a stop (clutch in, throtle down), The brakes do
>not make a difference. It does vary with bike speed. My guess
>is tires or chain. The bike has 16000 miles. The back tire will
>probably pass inspection but should be replaced. The front
>looks OK. The chain is still within wear limits & the sproket
>looks OK. Any thoughts whould be appreciated.
>
>Ed Hofmann
>'89 Red

Well, I just got a Hawk too (only 3800 miles), and I noticed a whining
noise too, but I think it's normal.  I think it's the clutch, personally.
Could be the valves though.


Phil Calvin                                                     '91 HawkGT
Department of Environmental Sciences and Engineering            DoD #242
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill               




------------------------------

From ddc10@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 10:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Notes on seat et leathers

Frank has a point here.  In addition, a good set of leathers will last 
the rest of your life.  Unfortunately, I doscovered the hard way that 
cheap leathers don't cut it- my $495 AGV Tezzas fell apart after four 
wearings and NO crashes- every seam just blew out.  I spent $750 on my 
Vanson's (the Goat Puke model, but without the Nuclear option) and have 
worn them day-in, day-out, plus racing, for three years.  After several 
crashes and a lot of sweat, they could use a cleaning, but nothing more.

Give Vanson a ring- they have suits starting at $595.  BTW- the $595 siut 
is exactly the same as the $800 suit, but without patterns.  Vanson 
doesn't make cheap stuff.  the only thing not included is customizing.  A 
custom fit  or color pattern adds 10% to the price (unless you have 
a52-inch inseam or something- then it's a little more), body armor is 
included,and their service is phenomenal.  Plus- they pay contingency 
money!!! :-)

Enjoy the spring, y'all.... I'm a-goin' racin'!!

C ya
DC



------------------------------

From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Wed Apr 12 10:54 PDT 1995
Subject: Leathers

Sasha inquires about the leathers/riding suits of choice....

Here in Alaska I'm partial to a caribou parka, moosehide
pants & sealskin mukluks.  :)

But when the temperature rises, it's generally a Vent-Tech 
Sport GT jacket and Vanson Perforated Swedish Riding Pants.

The Vent-Tech is tough, well-ventilated & has the design
features I demand in a good, versatile m/c jacket.

The Vanson pants are actually a collaborative effort between
myself & Keith Carvounis at Vanson Leathers. As a regular
contributor of product evaluations to BMW Owners News, I
suggested to Keith that Vanson might consider designing a pair
of well-ventilated, summer riding pants without compromising
their protective integrity. Keith & I tossed around a few
ideas. Eight weeks later he sent me a pair of their venerable
Swedish Riding Pants made out of perforated, race-quality
leather. I LOVE 'EM! In fact, if anyone is interested, I'll
post a more detailed description including ordering information.
An evaluation of this product is slated for publication in an
upcoming issue of BMW Owners News.

BTW, I have no equity interest in these leather pants. This is
neither a solicitation nor sales pitch - just a product that I
am enthused with as an avid rider. Period.



Good Riding.


Kit








Kit Vercella 
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu




------------------------------

From ronrad@microsoft.com Wed Apr 12 10:57 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Speaking of Leathers


 ----------
From: 	Victor A. King[SMTP:Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu]

I am just curious as to what my fellow hawkers ride in (besides
tevasTM   and No
FearTM tank-tops ;-{  ).

Hmm.  Well, I have a 2 piece Hein Gericke suit for the street.  And  
Daineese Safe T Pro for the track.  At the races this weekend, there
were   several street Hawks, and the majority seemed to be riding in  
Aerostitches ...  Let's see Ellen has a Hawk and rides in an
Aerostitch.    Yup.  Seems to be the suit of choice ...

Ron

'89 Blue and Grey, soon to be maroon and yellow ...  

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From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Wed Apr 12 11:05 PDT 1995
Subject: re: speaking of leathers



On Wed, 12 Apr 1995, TIM SCHORER wrote:

> REPLY TO: tschorer@mbl.edu
> 
> With the stich I'm zipped in and out the door in seconds, and more 
> importantly, at work I'm unzipped and drinking coffee in seconds.

I'd have both leathers and the stitch if I could afford it. However I
can't, and living in the Pacific NorthWet, the stitch made more sense. 
Those visits to the restroom are VERY easy with the stitch (if you drink
coffee, you _will_ have to use the restroom...) even for a woman :-)

Ln


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From jel@walker.com Wed Apr 12 13:22 PDT 1995
Subject: Re[2]: Corbin seat

     Y'know, I had a real difficult time with Corbin and fitting my other
     ride (a '93 VFR750F).  I experienced the same types of problems 
     described below.  This thread went around on the VFR list and it
     "seems" like it's a 65/35 proposition -- 65% get what they want with
     few problems and 35% have a helluva time with Corbin.  The best
     solution there seems to be for getting your seat **RIGHT** is to 
     go to Corbin and have them make it while you're there (takes about
     4 hours and they just schedule you for the appointment).  This is
     fine for those of us (like me) who live within an hour or two of
     them but leaves everyone else out in the cold.
     
     There does seem to be another game in town!  Sargent's.  They
     advertise in the back of all the moto-rags all the time.  Cost
     is cheap!!!! $79!  Cycle World (I think...I get so many moto-mags
     each month, but it was this month's issue of something) just did
     a test of a seat from Sargent's and liked it.  And they have a
     quick, Quick, QUICK turnaround!  They use your own seat-pan so
     there is no weight penalty.
     
     Jeff


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REPLY TO: tschorer@mbl.edu
     
     I can only report on a friends experience with corbin.  After 
waiting a month for a gunfighter plus for is CBR1000 it arrived and did 
not fit.  A quick call to Corbin got the response "it's a force fit", 
bullshit, he ground some bits down on the underside to make it fit.  The 
saddle did not come with a petcock surround, a little trimpiece that 
fits around a hole in the saddle where the fuel valve is located.  Now, 
they know you're gonna need this $2 part, why not just include one and 
bill you for it?  His third complaint was the finish, piping is just not 
straight around the back.
        Now some minor bitches, the seat weighs about 40lbs (a 
gunfighter +...folding backrest) this thing is HEAVY.  It is 
uncomfortable around town as it has some real dish to it and digs into 
your legs when you have your feet on the ground.
        His overall impression is that Corbin has lousy customer service 
and a product that is a bad value as far as fit and finish goes (he paid 
over $300 for this saddle) but they are the only game in town(?).



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From JPlott@aol.com Wed Apr 12 13:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Notes on seat et leathers

Frank,   I agree with your evaluation of comfort from a good set of
leathers...I have used my racing leathers on the road for about 16 years
(plain black) but mostly during the winter months.  However, the hot Florida
summer is not the best time to wear them.  Then I opt for my Areostich (plain
black with gray patches) or all gray "Cool-Tech" leathers (Jacket and
pants)...and no, I am not the same size I was "Back Then".  But I have more
fun now! 

John


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From jel@walker.com Wed Apr 12 16:02 PDT 1995
Subject: Fwd: FRAM oil filter recalls

     
Hey everyone!  I just received this from the Race list.  The Hawk is involved.

Jeff

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From Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu Wed Apr 12 16:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Hawk parts available

Im hoping that someone has a blue front fender left over from a front end swap
they'd be willing to sell.

the previous owner was a one-cell and backed his car into the fender.

i have a ratty targa fairing still (blue) that needs some work but that i want
to get rid of if anyone is interested.

S


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From belampe@whale.st.usm.edu Wed Apr 12 19:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: HAWK GT parts and suppliers Info

	Phil,
	    It would be great if we all pooled a list of suppliers for after-
market hawk stuff and how good the item and/or company is. I'll try to
come up with some names and addreses. Will you be the one to compile the list?
Should work out to be a  helpful list for us RC-31'ers.  Thanx,
							      Bruce L.



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From Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu Wed Apr 12 20:20 PDT 1995
Subject: stoppies


i've been posting a lot lately --> this is primarily because i have been stuck
inside all week finishing up my thesis and sign on when i take breaks.  all
your threads are getting me thru.  thanks.

today i went looking for a parking lot in which to spend my sportmaxs before
putting the MEZs on that just came in the mail today.  the only one big enough
looked like a beach from winter sanding.  there were a few clean patches of
asphalt, and i chose them as my skidpad.
I was going for really hard braking, not from high speed but just really
abruptly.  i am kinda curious about what a stoppie feels like.. i imagine one
can feel the back of the bike lifting pretty easily. but i was breaking so hard
that a couple of times i even locked the front (even using progressive pressure
on the lever)...yet i never ended up leaving any rubber from the rear.  I did
feel however a noiseless twitching  of the back of the bike, as tho it lost
contact.  How easily does the back of the hawk come up, in your collective
wisdom, hawkers?  is that the feeling of lost contact on the rear? is it tough
to tell a stoppie unless its a 45degree-er that you see in "fast bikes" etc.?  

and since we are on unconventional hawk usage, what are your thoughts on the
hawk and power wheelies?  I try to avoid them, but im interested to know how
the hawk acts while rearing.
again just curious.  
humor me.  it really helps on the breaks. 
btw, the thesis is done after the weekend -- the hawk will be waiting to go
carve some sense of closure into the NH twisties!!

Sasha


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From cscops2@cscops2.Ebay.Sun.COM Wed Apr 12 20:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: stoppies


> From Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu  Wed Apr 12 20:28:43 1995
> Date: 12 Apr 95 23:17:46 EDT
> From: Victor.A.King@Dartmouth.EDU (Victor A. King)
> Reply-To: Sasha.King@Dartmouth.EDU (Sasha King)
> Subject: stoppies
> To: hawkgt@dsea.com
> Content-Length: 1555
> 
> and since we are on unconventional hawk usage, what are your thoughts on the
> hawk and power wheelies?  I try to avoid them, but im interested to know how
> the hawk acts while rearing.
> again just curious.  
> humor me.  it really helps on the breaks. 
> btw, the thesis is done after the weekend -- the hawk will be waiting to go
> carve some sense of closure into the NH twisties!!
> 
> Sasha
> 

I can offer no input whatsoever on the stoppie question. In fact I can't offer 
any answers at all, only more questions. Namely, what exactly is implied by the 
term "power wheelie". I would have guessed it meant wheely-ing(?!?) under straight 
throttle power, with no fancy clutch-play. If this is the case, my bike will not 
power wheelie. Someone else on the group claims his Hawk does "power wheelies" 
with ease. Does this mean my bike is grossly underpowered, or is there more to 
power wheelies than just pegging the throttle.

Kev
'88 Blue


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From tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu Thu Apr 13 05:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Valve clearance adjustment


Oh, joy.  I have a clicking valve (in the front cylinder, of course).  Now
I'm not much of a wrench, but I can change my spark plugs.  :)  Anybody
got any suggestions on how I should go about this?  What does paying the 
average wrench cost for such a service?  Should I attempt it myself?  I've
read the service manual, but I think that this may end up being too much of a 
hassle for me.

Thanks,
Toby
-- 
tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu - Engineering Computer Operations, 5 Page Hall, 515-5323


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From sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil Thu Apr 13 06:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: stoppies

>I was going for really hard braking, not from high speed but just really
>abruptly.  i am kinda curious about what a stoppie feels like.. i imagine one
>can feel the back of the bike lifting pretty easily. but i was breaking so hard
>that a couple of times i even locked the front (even using progressive pressure

        Smooth is the key, as with all motorcycle actions. From speed, get
on the brakes until the front end in compressed. When you are down to 5-10
mph, give a final hard squeeze on the brake lever. This should loft the rear
wheel, which will be very evident as it drops back down.


rich



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From rlove@clark.net Thu Apr 13 06:21 PDT 1995
Subject: FS: '89 Honda Hawk


1989 Honda Hawk 647 GT (Red)
Aprox 7800 miles
Very good condition - Almost Perfect!!!
Runs great
Completely Stock
Great as a race bike

Asking $3200 O.B.O.

Located in Burke VA.  I would prefer to sell locally.

Email rlove@clark.net with any questions or to see the bike.

Becky



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From sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil Thu Apr 13 06:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Valve clearance adjustment

>
>Oh, joy.  I have a clicking valve (in the front cylinder, of course).  Now
>I'm not much of a wrench, but I can change my spark plugs.  :)  Anybody
>got any suggestions on how I should go about this?  What does paying the 
>average wrench cost for such a service?  Should I attempt it myself?  I've
>read the service manual, but I think that this may end up being too much of a 
>hassle for me.

        Depends. Do you have a reliable shop that does bike work at a
reasonable price? If so, I'd say use 'em. I don't think it's a particularly
tough job, but then people are constantly proving me wrong by f%^&king up
bikes due to inexperience or stupidity, or both.

        You didn't say where you live, or when the valves were last checked.

rich



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From CLASSIC516@aol.com Thu Apr 13 06:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: FS: '89 Honda Hawk

I am looking to purchase a HAWK GT
if it is mint.... ANY SELLERS?????


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From GuvDon@aol.com Thu Apr 13 06:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Excellent Hawk for Sale

1989 Red Honda Hawk   ( 650 cc )

3500 Miles----excellent shape--all original

Have Jacket, Boots, 2 Helments, Service manual, and more.

$3200 or best offer    No Rides 

Call (719) 687-7253   6-9 pm MST would be best time to reach me in person.
Colorado Springs, CO




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From pgould1@gl.umbc.edu Thu Apr 13 06:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: FS: '89 Honda Hawk


sigh.. I sure wish someone would sell a used Hawk for a reasonable price. :)

-patrick


On Thu, 13 Apr 1995, Becky Love wrote:

> 
> 1989 Honda Hawk 647 GT (Red)
> Aprox 7800 miles
> Very good condition - Almost Perfect!!!
> Runs great
> Completely Stock
> Great as a race bike
> 
> Asking $3200 O.B.O.
> 
> Located in Burke VA.  I would prefer to sell locally.
> 
> Email rlove@clark.net with any questions or to see the bike.
> 
> Becky
> 


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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Thu Apr 13 06:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: stoppies


Kev says,

> I can offer no input whatsoever on the stoppie question. In fact I can't
offer > any answers at all, only more questions. Namely, what exactly is
implied by the > term "power wheelie". I would have guessed it meant
wheely-ing(?!?) under straight > throttle power, with no fancy
clutch-play. If this is the case, my bike will not > power wheelie.
Someone else on the group claims his Hawk does "power wheelies"  > with
ease. Does this mean my bike is grossly underpowered, or is there more to
> power wheelies than just pegging the throttle. > > Kev > '88 Blue
> 

Mine will power wheelie.  It's totally stock.  I weigh 155 pounds.  What 
I do is put it in first, get it going up to about 3-4k rpm, then back off 
the throttle a bit, compressing the forks some, then snap the throttle 
full on, and the front end comes up easily.  

If I simultaneously pull a little on the bars, it'll come up quite a bit. 

If I'm wearing a backpack and sitting back on the seat so that my butt
hits the bumper back there, it'll really come up.  Did that once at night
on the way home.  Won't do it again at night.  Once the headlights leave
the road, you don't have any way of judging your height. 

Later,
Phil


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From vgregory@mckinley.den.mmc.com Thu Apr 13 06:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:  stoppies

I HAVE NOT _tried_ to push my braking envelope - but it's gotten pushed
a few times regardless.  Most of the roads here in Denver seem to have
sand on them 10 months out of the year, so braking on sand is a pretty
normal thing.  I've had the rear go out a number of times, and my impression
is that, although the 45 degree stoppie hasn't happened yet, the rear
end can unload enough in hard braking to lose contact pretty easily,
particularly if the surface is a little messy.  That rear-end twitch you
noticed is indeed the warning sign that the rear end is on its way up.

As far as power wheelies - I'll let the racers talk to that one.  I'm
still concentrating on keeping the rubber side down! ;)

Val Gregory
'90 Hawk GT - "Redtailed"
DoD #1258


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From Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu Thu Apr 13 07:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:  stoppies



thanks for all the input. 

of course i am just asking to better understand how my hawk will act in an
emergency.   


[ ;-f ]
S


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From ano@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU Thu Apr 13 08:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: stoppies

I have not been able to perform a stoppie on my hawk, the front end skids
before the rear comes up.  However, I had no trouble on the old CBR (long
gone). I'm not in the habit of performing such stunts but I really felt
comfortable with the CBR braking over the Hawk's.  I'm hoping to do an F2
front end swap next weekend which should provide more front end stopping
power (thanks to all for their advice, I suppose I'll need more once I'm
into it).  I have heard tale that decent rubber and stainless brakelines
(not to mention a Kosman rotor) will allow such antics.  Power wheelies?
not me, maybe with a little clutch play but not with pure acceleration. Not
that I miss it, my second bike was a race GSXR ('87 750 too much for me
then, but I wish I had it now) that I couldn't keep down, should of known
better.

        There has been a fair bit of discussion on the F2 front end swap
including some talk of a FAQ?  If this is available I'd love to know where.
Can somebody email me the fork oil level for the F2? I don't have access
to an F2 manual now. Thanks

ano





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From l-chi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Thu Apr 13 09:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit



On Tue, 11 Apr 1995 RSAcker@aol.com wrote:

> I am interested in purchasing a new exhaust and jet kit for my "88
> Hawk.  What combination can anyone suggest?  What kind of horsepower increase
> can I expect?  Has anyone ever had a Dyno done after replacing the stock pipe
> & jets?
> 
> 
>                                                   Thanks,
>                                                    Scott
> 
I've got a supertrapp and jet kit fitted to my Hawk. They work well 
(louder than stock, but not bad). After I got them put on, the shop gave 
me the dyno sheet. They said that top end increased a lot, but I'm not 
really sure. The dyno sheet said I had 46.5 HP. I don't know what stock hp 
is so I don't know if this is significant. Throttle response has improved 
and the supertrapp is a LOT lighter than stock.


Jae '90


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From l-chi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Thu Apr 13 09:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: F.Y.I. on Hawk FS@dealer in chicago



On Wed, 12 Apr 1995, Carolyn Cullen wrote:

> 
> Yesterday, I saw a red '89 for sale  (at Des Plaines Honda on Northwest
> Hwy, for any locals), and they said they were asking $3700, though
> it seemed negotiable.  True, it was virtually mint w/only 4700 mi,
> but still....just another reassurance about their desirability i  guess.
> 
> Carolyn Cullen
> carolync@fsg.com	DoD#0450	'89 Hawk GT	'77 CB550K
> 
Have you noticed the increase in price of used Hawks? I thought $3,400 
was a little high when I bought my '90 Hawk new in '92. Now I think I got 
a fantastic deal.


Jae '90


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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Thu Apr 13 09:44 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: stoppies

>
>
> Kev says,
>
> > I can offer no input whatsoever on the stoppie question. In fact I can't
> offer > any answers at all, only more questions. Namely, what exactly is
> implied by the > term "power wheelie". I would have guessed it meant
> wheely-ing(?!?) under straight > throttle power, with no fancy
> clutch-play. If this is the case, my bike will not > power wheelie.
> Someone else on the group claims his Hawk does "power wheelies"  > with
> ease. Does this mean my bike is grossly underpowered, or is there more to
> > power wheelies than just pegging the throttle. > > Kev > '88 Blue
> >

Phil says...

> Mine will power wheelie.  It's totally stock.  I weigh 155 pounds.  What
> I do is put it in first, get it going up to about 3-4k rpm, then back off
> the throttle a bit, compressing the forks some, then snap the throttle
> full on, and the front end comes up easily.
>
> If I simultaneously pull a little on the bars, it'll come up quite a bit.
>
> If I'm wearing a backpack and sitting back on the seat so that my butt
> hits the bumper back there, it'll really come up.  Did that once at night
> on the way home.  Won't do it again at night.  Once the headlights leave
> the road, you don't have any way of judging your height.

Try riding with friends, at nightm in SF, going down divisidero (sp?).
We were "racing", and I just kept on the throttle.  Down hill, at abou;a 15
or 20 degree angle, the front end rises from power only.  When I finally
realize what's happening, I'm way above horizontal, about 15 or 20 degrees
above horizontal (about 30-40 degrees up above my horizontal reference).

It scared the living shit out of me, not to mention Dennis, who simply saw
my headlight scream past him with me holding on for dear life.  I panicked.


The moral: If you're male, female, llama, sheep, etc, NEVER let off the
throttle when you're that far into a wheelie.  Gently put it down.

My huevos will never be the same.


:-)


Mike

PS - I'm trying out for the Reno boys' choir next week. :-)




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From mgiffin@dee.retix.com Thu Apr 13 09:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Aftermarket exhausts


I know the following is not a popular opinion, but I think
it needs to be voiced once in a while.

I'd love to have my Hawk lose a lot of weight, gain power
and look better by having an aftermarket exhaust system,
but I've never heard one that was quiet enough for street
use.

I think it's bad public relations for bikers to ride around
on public streets with loud exhausts. It even annoys me
sometimes.

Mark Giffin
mgiffin@retix.com



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From sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil Thu Apr 13 10:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: stoppies, stories

Well, as long as Mike's telling his hawk wheelie story, I'll tell one of my
own. My then-girlfriend, now-wife, and I were touring a local civil war
battlefield; the kind of thing where you drive from historic
marker-to-marker and try and envision thousands of guys killing each other.
        Anyway, we leave on spot and now one was around on this private
road, so I launch a nice wheelie and go cruising past Leslie with my front
wheel up around head level.... until my knapsack, bungeed on the seat
slipped into the rear wheel....

        The wheel locked and the wheelie ended quite abruptly. Took half and
hour to dislodge the knap sack and fix the fender.

rich

ps- there must be a moral in there somewhere. 

(professional rider on federal land- don't try this at home)



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From bi904@freenet.buffalo.edu Thu Apr 13 10:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit



i've go a supertrapp on my bike as well, but i must say i haven't  noticed
much of a difference i HP.  Re: hp... Motorcyclist July 1988 says that 
Honda claimed 58 hp @ 8500rpm...yea right...  

--
bi904@feenet.buffalo.edu (ken Punnett)


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From bi904@freenet.buffalo.edu Thu Apr 13 10:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Aftermarket exhausts



i must agree regarding loud pipes giving bikers a bad name.  i put a 
supertrapp on my bike and its eternal adjustablity has been great.  i 
run 5 plates and the bike is slightly louder than stock.  the motor
now sounds less like a lawnmower and more like a v-twin.  good luck!

--
bi904@freenet.buffalo.edu (ken punnett)
'89 HawkGT (red)	MSF Instructor #46673


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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Thu Apr 13 10:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk Parts and Suppliers FAQ


I'm taking the lead in building a FAQ-type file of places that
make/sell/distribute parts that are of interest to Hawk owners.

I would like anyone to send me names, addresses and phone numbers of these
places.

Some parts we want to cover:

        exhausts/jets
        seats
        fairings
        tires
        brake pads and lines
        chains and 520 kits
        Original Honda Parts through the mail


I'll get the list going, post it now and then, and make it available to the
folks with Hawk homepages.

Let's get this going...
Thanks,
Phil

Phil Calvin                                                     '91 HawkGT
Department of Environmental Sciences and Engineering            DoD #242
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill               




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From MEL1523@ACS.TAMU.EDU Thu Apr 13 11:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Wheelies


> I can offer no input whatsoever on the stoppie question. In fact I can't
offer > any answers at all, only more questions. Namely, what exactly is
implied by the > term "power wheelie". I would have guessed it meant
wheely-ing(?!?) under straight > throttle power, with no fancy
clutch-play. If this is the case, my bike will not > power wheelie.
Someone else on the group claims his Hawk does "power wheelies"  > with
ease. Does this mean my bike is grossly underpowered, or is there more to
> power wheelies than just pegging the throttle. > > Kev > '88 Blue
> 

;Mine will power wheelie.  It's totally stock.  I weigh 155 pounds.  What 
;I do is put it in first, get it going up to about 3-4k rpm, then back off 
;the throttle a bit, compressing the forks some, then snap the throttle 
;full on, and the front end comes up easily.  
;
;If I simultaneously pull a little on the bars, it'll come up quite a bit. 
;
;If I'm wearing a backpack and sitting back on the seat so that my butt
;hits the bumper back there, it'll really come up.  Did that once at night
;on the way home.  Won't do it again at night.  Once the headlights leave
;the road, you don't have any way of judging your height. 

With the TBR, K&N's and "healthy" (not crazy) jetting, Mine'll powerwheelie 
if I really snap open the throttle in first, and I go about 240.

 - Mitch




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From MEL1523@ACS.TAMU.EDU Thu Apr 13 11:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk Prices

;On Wed, 12 Apr 1995, Carolyn Cullen wrote:
;
;> 
;> Yesterday, I saw a red '89 for sale  (at Des Plaines Honda on Northwest
;> Hwy, for any locals), and they said they were asking $3700, though
;> it seemed negotiable.  True, it was virtually mint w/only 4700 mi,
;> but still....just another reassurance about their desirability i  guess.
;> 
;> Carolyn Cullen
;> carolync@fsg.com	DoD#0450	'89 Hawk GT	'77 CB550K
;> 
;Have you noticed the increase in price of used Hawks? I thought $3,400 
;was a little high when I bought my '90 Hawk new in '92. Now I think I got 
;a fantastic deal.

Makes mine (a mint 88 bought in late '93 with 4700 mi.) seem like a 
downright steal for the $2500 I paid for it.   Let's see 3700-2500=1200.  
1200/2500=48%.  48/1.5 years=32% annualized yield!  Geez, my mutual funds 
should do half that well.  With the yen in the low 80's (per dollar), it's 
only going to get better!

 - Mitch





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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Thu Apr 13 11:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Hawk Prices

> ;Have you noticed the increase in price of used Hawks? I thought $3,400 
> ;was a little high when I bought my '90 Hawk new in '92. Now I think I got 
> ;a fantastic deal.
> 
> Makes mine (a mint 88 bought in late '93 with 4700 mi.) seem like a 
> downright steal for the $2500 I paid for it.   Let's see 3700-2500=1200.  
> 1200/2500=48%.  48/1.5 years=32% annualized yield!  Geez, my mutual funds 
> should do half that well.  With the yen in the low 80's (per dollar), it's 
> only going to get better!

No, damn it!!  THe Yen needs to plummett so I can afford that damn VFR that
I want.  I'm keeping my Hawk!!!


Mike


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From SYSPMS@UCSDMVSA.UCSD.EDU Thu Apr 13 11:50 PDT 1995
Subject: FS. Spec II slip on

I have a Spec II slip on pipe. It came with the bike when I got it. The bike
already has a TBR pipe,kit,etc. and I don't need it. I have no idea if you
would need to rejet or how load it is but it looks better than stock. Anyone
interested. I was thinking about $50. I could ship it. Let me know.

Mike

'88 Bird of Pray


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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Thu Apr 13 12:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Web page update

In article  MEL1523@ACS.TAMU.EDU writes:
>I have been continually adding stuff the the Web page.  There are some 
>pictures, a link to a site with lots of bike pictures, and lots of articles. 

>http://www-chen.tamu.edu/homepage/mel1523/hawkgt.htm

I was just there, and the pictures of the 2-into-2 (both on right side) are 
awsome!  Who did the system?  I'm not sure I want to know how much something 
like this would cost.  Maybe if I had someone start with my Supertrapp 
headers...

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT


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From peahat@mail.grove.ufl.edu Thu Apr 13 12:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Aftermarket exhausts



On Thu, 13 Apr 1995, Kenneth R. Punnett wrote:

 
> run 5 plates and the bike is slightly louder than stock.  the motor
> now sounds less like a lawnmower and more like a v-twin.  good luck!
> 
> --
> bi904@freenet.buffalo.edu (ken punnett)
> '89 HawkGT (red)	MSF Instructor #46673
> 
just a me too, but the bike with the supertrapp (or TBR, etc.) sounds 
way---sexier?  And I love the trailing throttle popping (seriously).  It 
reminds me of my old H1.
Todd



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From peahat@mail.grove.ufl.edu Thu Apr 13 12:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit



On Thu, 13 Apr 1995, Kenneth R. Punnett wrote:
> 
> i've go a supertrapp on my bike as well, but i must say i haven't  noticed
> much of a difference i HP.  Re: hp... Motorcyclist July 1988 says that 
> Honda claimed 58 hp @ 8500rpm...yea right...  
> 
> --
> bi904@feenet.buffalo.edu (ken Punnett)
> 
not rearwheel HP.  Motorcyclist always (used to) uses manufacturer 
horsepower claims measured _at the crank_.  Cycle listed the '88 at 42, 
and I think the '90 at 39 (I not exactly sure about these figures).
Todd



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From ronrad@microsoft.com Thu Apr 13 12:51 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: stoppies

With the stock front end, ebc pads, and braided lines on the front of 
 mine, (also extremely well bled and centered, I'm kind of anal about 
 these things)  Under hard braking at the end of the straight my back
end   gets really light, but tends not to come up too easily. 
Intentional   stoppies, on the other hand, are *really* easy ...  But,
the brakes on my   Duc will lift the back end well in the air under
most heavy braking, so I   think that the single brake does limit your
stopping power a little bit   ...

Ron

 ----------
From: 	Victor A. King[SMTP:Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu]
Sent: 	Wednesday,April 12,1995 8:17 PM
To: 	hawkgt@dsea.com
Subject: 	stoppies


i've been posting a lot lately --> this is primarily because i have
been   stuck
inside all week finishing up my thesis and sign on when i take breaks.    all
your threads are getting me thru.  thanks.

today i went looking for a parking lot in which to spend my sportmaxs   before
putting the MEZs on that just came in the mail today.  the only one
big   enough
looked like a beach from winter sanding.  there were a few clean patches   of
asphalt, and i chose them as my skidpad.
I was going for really hard braking, not from high speed but just really
abruptly.  i am kinda curious about what a stoppie feels like.. i imagine   one
can feel the back of the bike lifting pretty easily. but i was
breaking   so hard
that a couple of times i even locked the front (even using progressive
  pressure
on the lever)...yet i never ended up leaving any rubber from the rear.  I   did
feel however a noiseless twitching  of the back of the bike, as tho it   lost
contact.  How easily does the back of the hawk come up, in your   collective
wisdom, hawkers?  is that the feeling of lost contact on the rear? is
it   tough
to tell a stoppie unless its a 45degree-er that you see in "fast bikes"   etc.?

and since we are on unconventional hawk usage, what are your thoughts on   the
hawk and power wheelies?  I try to avoid them, but im interested to know   how
the hawk acts while rearing.
again just curious.
humor me.  it really helps on the breaks.
btw, the thesis is done after the weekend -- the hawk will be waiting to   go
carve some sense of closure into the NH twisties!!

Sasha




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From spatel@mcp.com Thu Apr 13 13:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Tank Cover

     
     Fellow Riders,
     
     I am curious to know what some of you use to protect the tank.  I love 
     the red tank I have and don't want to hide it behind a bra.
     
     Anyone have any experience using a self-adhesive vinyl.  Someone 
     suggested I contact this decorator supply store.  Apparently, I could 
     get this vinyl in red.
     
     Thanks in advance for your input.
     
     Duke.
     '89 Red
     


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From Hawky647@aol.com Thu Apr 13 13:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: A Bunch of Things

Jeff,
I used the F2 master because the front end I bought had on with it and the
mirror mount was broken on the hawk master cylinder. I don't remember who
told me they were the same. I don't know who to believe and I don't know how
to find out other than trying both.
Someone I know got his front wheel widened by Kosman ($400) and a bracket
made to fit a CBR900RR caliper. It didn't work with the 900 master but did
work with the hawk master cylinder. Another Hawk I know of has a HRC RC30
front end and a 65 horse Kiyo Wantanabe motor. Wantanabe's own race hawk has
over 100 HP and cost more than $30K to build.

STOPPIES AND POWER WHEELIES:  When I had a Bridgestone Battlax ( OE from a
ZX9R ) on the front the front would skid rather than lift the rear. With the
Dunlop D364 the front end never locks up and it's very easy to loft the rear
end a couple of feet in the air.  For wheelies without the clutch i find it
easiest to rev it to 6000rpm in first, then close and open the throttle very
quickly. Get it just right and the front wheel will come up over a foot and a
half.  It seems to work much better with the Two Brothers pipe than with the
piece of heavy sh...


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From raible@nas.nasa.gov Thu Apr 13 14:05 PDT 1995
Subject: please remove me


please remove me for now.  I can't
keep up with the traffic.

Thanks - Eric


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From CEB5@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Thu Apr 13 14:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit

>i've go a supertrapp on my bike as well, but i must say i haven't  noticed
>much of a difference i HP.  Re: hp... Motorcyclist July 1988 says that
>Honda claimed 58 hp @ 8500rpm...yea right...

>--
>bi904@feenet.buffalo.edu (ken Punnett)

Motor Cyclist International (British mag) did a dynometer test on a
stock looking Bros (Euro equivalent of Hawk... not a Revere, mind you)
and were dismayed to find only about 46 HP at rear wheel.  In their
estimation, the engine was knackered.  This was in the most recent issue
or the last one... I don't have it with me now.  They're doing a series
of articles on the sooping up of a Bros, with two articles to date.
At this point, we will have to wait and see if they decide to continue
on with the project despite the engine work needed.  If I recall right,
the back of this same mag always has a listing of HP for current
bikes in the UK and the Revere is listed at something like that
quoted above.. about 58 HP.  I don't know if that's measured at the
engine output shaft or at the rear wheel, though.  The Revere, as you
may recall is shaft drive but has the same engine as Hawk, so might
be expected to loose a bit of HP to the shaft compared to chain.

Chuck
'88 Black


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From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Thu Apr 13 15:21 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: stoppies



On 13 Apr 1995, ronrad wrote:

> With the stock front end, ebc pads, and braided lines on the front of 
>  mine, (also extremely well bled and centered, I'm kind of anal about 
>  these things)  Under hard braking at the end of the straight my back
> end   gets really light, but tends not to come up too easily. 
> Intentional   stoppies, on the other hand, are *really* easy ...  But,
> the brakes on my   Duc will lift the back end well in the air under
> most heavy braking, so I   think that the single brake does limit your
> stopping power a little bit   ...
> 
Ron, this is the Hawk list. Stop bragging about your 916 :-)

Ln


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From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Thu Apr 13 15:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Tank Cover



On Thu, 13 Apr 1995, Shilpun Patel at mp-post2 wrote:

>      
>      Fellow Riders,
>      
>      I am curious to know what some of you use to protect the tank.  I love 
>      the red tank I have and don't want to hide it behind a bra.
>      
I use a black tank cover on my red Hawk.  Since I have a fairly large 
Eclipse tank bag, I don't think the tank would show much during normal 
use anyway.  This bra does a wonderful job of protecting the finish.  I 
think the black is a great accent for the red bike.  

Ellen


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From cdt@adc.com Thu Apr 13 17:35 PDT 1995
Subject: MailingList

Please add me to the Hawk GT Mailing List.

Thanks, Chris Tersteeg

E-Mail: cdt@adc.com


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From amail.amdahl.com!james.lyau@juts.ccc.amdahl.com Thu Apr 13 19:05 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Tank Cover

 

What I use to protect the tank is some clear plastic self adhesive shelf liner
that can be found in any drug store.  I found this tip on rec.motos and it
works out just great!  I have a red '89 and i just put a strip between the gas
latch down to the seat.  Protects from any rubbing from the jacket, and it's
hardly noticable.  And, when it gets ugly, just remove it and lay on another
piece!  Cheapest form of protection there is.  BTW, if you try this, clear
is the way to go since the red will probably not match up with the factory
red paint.

--
James Lyau                "Ride Red"                 DoD #771  DGIF 1717
jpl10@amail.amdahl.com                             jpl10@DUTS.amdahl.com
past: '85 Interceptor 500, present: '89 RC-31 Hawk GT, future: '9X RC-45
  "Your stories have grown tiresome."  -  Dieter, from "Sprockets," SNL


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From GTRider9@aol.com Thu Apr 13 20:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Aftermarket exhausts

Mark Giffin brought up the subject of too-loud exhausts.  I had a Muzzy
slip-on sitting on the shelf in my garage for over a year because I tried it
for about 3 days and it was just TOO DAMN LOUD.  Then I discovered that
Supertrapp sells something they call a retrofit kit.  It's designed to
convert a Supertrapp with a center-bolt type end to the later style with 6
allen-head bolts around the perimeter of the the end cap.  It comes with the
end cap, stainless bolts, 6 plates, and some special self-anchoring nuts.  I
sawed the nozzle off my Muzzy and grafted the retrofit kit onto it and it
works great.  By adding or subtracting plates you can get whatever sound
level you want.  Normally I run about 6 discs, but if I'm heading out on the
highway I'll add a couple more.  The Muzzy canister holds a lot more packing
than the Supertrapp canister too, so I can get a real mellow tone out of it
without getting too loud.


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From GTRider9@aol.com Thu Apr 13 20:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Pipe & Jet kit

Keep in mind that the factories don't do much with rear-wheel (inertial)
dynos.  Their hp figures are usually crankshaft hp, and will always be
substantially higher than rear-wheel numbers.  40 to 42 (rear wheel) is
pretty typical for stock Hawks at anywhere near sea level.


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From rajender@bnr.ca Mon Apr 17 21:06 PDT 1995
Subject:  WTB:  Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area 

Hi Y'all!

	I am looking to buy a Hawk (650).  If anyone around here is thinking
of selling, please let me know. 


	-- Raj

Email: rajender@bnr.ca


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From ddc10@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 22:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: WTB: Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area 

On Mon, 17 Apr 1995, dhanraj (d.) rajender wrote:

> Hi Y'all!
> 
> 	I am looking to buy a Hawk (650).  If anyone around here is thinking
> of selling, please let me know. 
> 
> 
> 	-- Raj
> 
Well, from what I can see, to buy a Hawk from anybody on this list you'll 
have to pay as much as for a CBR600F2.  Keep one thing in mind- the 
things sold NEW for an MSRP of $3998, and dealers went begging to get 
rid of them.  The world seems populated with optimists who feel that 
their used '88s are worth $3500 just because they have less than 15,000 
miles on them.

Good luck,
DC



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From Robert_Meyer@occshost.nlm.nih.gov Tue Apr 18 07:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re[2]: WTB: Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area

     
;On Mon, 17 Apr 1995, dhanraj (d.) rajender wrote:
     
;> Hi Y'all!
;>
;> 	I am looking to buy a Hawk (650).  If anyone around here is 
;thinking > of selling, please let me know.
;>
;>
;> 	-- Raj
;>
;Well, from what I can see, to buy a Hawk from anybody on this list 
;you'll have to pay as much as for a CBR600F2.  Keep one thing in mind- 
;the things sold NEW for an MSRP of $3998, and dealers went begging to 
;get
;rid of them.  The world seems populated with optimists who feel that 
;their used '88s are worth $3500 just because they have less than 15,000 
;miles on them.
     
;Good luck,
;DC

It seems to me that used Hawks are worth whatever 
buyers and sellers agree they are worth, 
irrespective of the original list price.  There are 
any number of vehicles that are worth more than 
their original price.  The supply of the Hawk is 
constrained--there ain't no more being made.  If 
demand rises, as it seems to be, the price is bound 
to go up.  Put another way, if people are willing to 
pay $3200 for my bike, why should I sell it for 
less?  That's just basic economics, not gouging.

If the price is too high for you, then don't buy.  
But don't assume that it's not worth that much to 
someone else.

Bob Meyer
'88 Hawk GT  (not for sale)
'81 Ducati Darmah (for sale)


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From wjohnson@io.com Tue Apr 18 09:20 PDT 1995
Subject: mail list


Please add me to the mail list for Hawks

wjohnson@io.com

88' Hawk-48,000 miles and no regrets.

wrj




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From AXELR8@aol.com Tue Apr 18 11:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: HAWKGT

It would be nice to be in a HAWK GT only mailing list,considering I own one.


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From bi904@freenet.buffalo.edu Tue Apr 18 17:05 PDT 1995
Subject: hawk apparel



does anyone know of any t-shirts out there that feature the Hawk or RC31?
i'd like to be able to wear my allegiance when i'm off my bike...
let me know, ken

--
bi904@freenet.buffalo.edu (ken punnett)
'89 HawkGT (red)	MSF Instructor #46673


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From ddc10@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 18:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Parts bike for sale

Hi y'all....

I have a parts bike that I kinda need to get rid of.  I'm willing to take 
it apart or sell it whole.  However, the motor is not in (i.e.- I'm 
keeping it.)  What I do have:

- Frame: '89 with clean Connecticut title.
- Swingarm
- Forks/triple clamps/brakes
- Front wheel w/ stock rotor
- rear brakes with all mounting junk
- gas tank (somewhat dented, but repairable by either you or me)
- side panels (see gas tank)
- subframe
- stock pipe, scuffed but perfectly functional
- airbox
- gauges
- handlebars
- lots of other bits and pieces... try me.

I"m open to cash offers, or trades for CBR600F2 or EX500 parts.  I'm not 
asking top dollar- quite honestly, I need to get rid of this stuff before 
my mom throws it out!  Anyone interested please email me- shipping on 
anything can be arranged, or delivery to any NE region racetrack (i.e- 
Loudon/Bridgehampton/Summit Point).

See y'all at the track,
DC



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From JPlott@aol.com Tue Apr 18 18:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: hawk apparel

Ken,  Join the Hawkworks, the Honda Hawk GT Owners Network and a very nice
"T" shirt comes with your membership.  It has the HawkWorks logo on the front
and a large GT-650 and RC-31 facing each other on the back ...both in red..of
course

                                               John

address   HawkWorks
               130 Bomber Blvd.
               Mtn. Home,
               Arkansas   72653
 


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From ddc10@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 00:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: WTB: Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area 

On Tue, 18 Apr 1995, roger clinton wrote:

> Dennis Daniel Crowley  writes:
> 
> > On Mon, 17 Apr 1995, dhanraj (d.) rajender wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > Well, from what I can see, to buy a Hawk from anybody on this list you'll 
> > have to pay as much as for a CBR600F2.  Keep one thing in mind- the 
> > things sold NEW for an MSRP of $3998, and dealers went begging to get 
> > rid of them.  The world seems populated with optimists who feel that 
> > their used '88s are worth $3500 just because they have less than 15,000 
> > miles on them.
> 
> 
> go back to china you communist! ever heard of a free market? 

Go back to school, Keynes.  Ever heard of runaway inflation?  Perhaps you 
should consult with the bigotry newsgroup.

>if you don't want to pay what ppl are asking for for there merchandise, then
> don't buy.

Don't worry.  I won't.

> is a mint 57' chevy not worth the $15,000 price tag because in 1957 they 
> sold for $2300?

There is a big difference between a unique piece of American automotive 
history, and a routine piece of Asian engineering.  I highly doubt that 
even a mint 1957 Chevy sold for its MSRP eight years after it was 
manufactured.  Maybe in 2028, I"ll pay $3500 or more for a mint 1988 Hawk 
GT, but certainly not now.

> i'm thinking of selling my hawk. i don't need to ask alot 
> to atleast get what i have invested in it back. i know for what i have i 
> could get alot more than what i'm asking for if i held out, but thats not 
> the point. 

What is the point?

> stop whining and be glad your investment is increasing in 
> value (i assume you own a hawk).
> 

I own three.  Let me make one thing perfectly clear- I buy real estate for 
investment.  I buy motorcycles for the fun they give me.  I enjoy seeing 
other people share that fun, and hate seeing them pay too much for it.  
The reason I started buying Hawks in 1989 was because it was a CHEAP sportbike
that didn't hammer me on insurance like my CBR or VMax.  However, that 
attraction is beginning to wane, as I have seen the price of an average 
Hawk increase by over 33% in the last year or so.  Would you be able to 
keep a straight face if a car salesman said, "Well, this Ford is a 1988, 
but it only has 15,000 miles on it, so we're asking the original sticker 
price of $15,000."?  I think not.

I'm not saying a mint Hawk is not worth a fair price. I do not expect to
duplicate some of the great deals I've gotten on Hawks every day of the week,
but paying MSRP for a seven-year-old motorcycle?  No way.

Sorry I put a bug up your kiester.  Had I known your investments were so 
important to you I"d have confined my remarks to the rec.wallstreet group.

 
>                    spelling is for the unimaginative!
> __________________________________________________________________________
> 

And the educated.

Thank you for sharing.... next caller, please?

DC


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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Wed Apr 19 04:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Parts bike for sale

In article  Dennis Daniel Crowley  writes:
>I have a parts bike that I kinda need to get rid of.  I'm willing to take 
>it apart or sell it whole.

I'm looking for the following, but only in very good condition:

Left mirror

rubber clutch lever boot 

f2 or other clip-ons, not too low.  (I have good stock bars)

Left side engine (alternator) cover.  (if you've got a nice one on a bike 
you're going to race, I'll trade you a pre-scratched but good one plus $$$).

David Mackintosh                 Germantown, MD, USA        DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil      '92 Santana Sovereign      '89 Hawk GT


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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Apr 19 11:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawks and parts for sale


I bought the April 19th issue of Cycle News, and this is what's in the back:

'88 Hawk.  Revalved forks with progressive springs, F2 front rim,
Megacycle, Fox, Supertrapp, etc.  Titled.  All street legal equipment
included, with lots of spares.  $2995  Mark anytime (516) 484-5359 NY

F2 Forks $450 (908) 246-0940

And if your Hawk isn't quite fast enough any more, there is also a brand
new (with crate) RC-30 for $14k.

I'm getting some good suggestions for the Hawk Supplier's FAQ.  Please keep
the suggestions coming.  I'll post what I get when I think there is enough
info to warrant it.

Phil

Phil Calvin                                                     '91 HawkGT
Department of Environmental Sciences and Engineering            DoD #242
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill               




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From crosby@lyria.stanford.edu Wed Apr 19 12:10 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: WTB: Hawk (650) in Dallas/Austin area 


Nice retort, Dennis.

Cool off, Roger.




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From <@gaudi.CSUFresno.EDU:tprigmo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU> Wed Apr 19 12:26 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Parts bike for sale

 
> Hi y'all....
> 
> I have a parts bike that I kinda need to get rid of.  I'm willing to take 
> it apart or sell it whole.
[snip]
> I'm not 
> asking top dollar- quite honestly, I need to get rid of this stuff before 
> my mom throws it out!  Anyone interested please email me- shipping on 
> anything can be arranged, or delivery to any NE region racetrack (i.e- 
> Loudon/Bridgehampton/Summit Point).
> 
> See y'all at the track,
> DC
> 
I would be interested in your turn signals, gear shift lever, brake
lever (foot), and front fender.  Also, I put some clip-ons from a
CBR1000 on and haven't got the weights for the end of the bars (I don't
know what there called, they help with vibration) I'm pretty sure the
stock Hawk bar-end weights will fit, is this a safe assumption?.
Just let me know the condition and price...Thanks! 

Todd

P.S. Is anyone going to Leguna Seca for the superbike races?
-- 
916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916
This E-mail is Desmodronically powered...For your safety please step back.
     	       	    	      	       
'89 Hawk GT       	    	       Todd Prigmore
     	       	    	      	       tprigmo@csufresno.edu
916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916
All opinions expressed belong soley to me, in spite of the objections
of those whom I have ripped off.


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From Hawky647@aol.com Wed Apr 19 14:25 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Parts

I could use the gauges, how much/  I need the speedo, the plate that gauges
attatch to , and the bucket that the gauges fit into.


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From RGGAMMA@aol.com Wed Apr 19 17:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Wierd carb problem

My wife says "in strong cross winds(gusts) my engine cuts out" This loss of
power momentarily concerns me from a safety aspect.  Her bike has a Muzzy
slip on, 5 1" holes cut in top of airbox, and a stage one dyno jet kit.  We
are at 6K feet altitude.(the bike did the same thing before the mods also).
 Anybody have any ideas????

Thanks
Randy  916 Duck Colorado
RGGAMMA@aol.com

April 19, 1995
6:22 pm


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From JPlott@aol.com Wed Apr 19 18:06 PDT 1995
Subject: The Alpha A.B.S. 

A WARNING:  While at Daytona for the big week my wife and I were looking
around inside the big tents that housed all of the dealers in the parking lot
of the Daytona track.  We came to a small table with two young men hawking (I
use the term advisedly on this forum) what looked to be an interesting item.
 An add-on A.B.S. brake system for motorcycles.  As most people enjoying a
break at our motorcycle mecca city, I wanted to spent more money than I
should.  The two young men seemed to be knowledgeable about their product so
I  reached for the plastic.  Since they had run out of the parts needed for
my application ( in this case I was going to put it on my ST-1100) they
assured me that they would not process the charge on my card until the needed
part was in my hands. (a number 2 banjo bolt-their part number).  It is now
the 19th day of April - They will not return my calls,  when I call and ask
by name for the individuals who I was told was responsible,  they can't be
found:  however, another person comes on the line to tell me that it will be
only another week or two before the part may be available:  but guess what???
they have my money and I am paying interest on something that they still
have.  It is the product that was written up in Motorcyclist Magazine and
then had a follow up in the same mag the next month. (March 1995)  Well,
 just be careful out there.  It will not break me, but the 300 dollars
certainly could have been used elsewhere. Maybe as  down payment on an Ohlins
shock or something.  

John 
89 Red Hawk, 93 Red ST-1100,  83 Blue CB-1100F,  76  Hond 750F, 84 Red
Nighthawk

An added note on prices - I bought my 89 Hawk new (as a left over model) last
summer from a dealer in Florida for $2500.  Now, I know that there aren't
many deals found like that,  but you do not have to be ripped off to find a
good Hawk.  Look around and DON'T get impatient.


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From MEL1523@ACS.TAMU.EDU Wed Apr 19 19:21 PDT 1995
Subject: ABS


;A WARNING:  While at Daytona for the big week my wife and I were looking
;around inside the big tents that housed all of the dealers in the parking lot
;of the Daytona track.  We came to a small table with two young men hawking (I
;use the term advisedly on this forum) what looked to be an interesting item.
; An add-on A.B.S. brake system for motorcycles.  As most people enjoying a
;break at our motorcycle mecca city, I wanted to spent more money than I
;should.  The two young men seemed to be knowledgeable about their product so
;I  reached for the plastic.  Since they had run out of the parts needed for
;my application ( in this case I was going to put it on my ST-1100) they
;assured me that they would not process the charge on my card until the needed
;part was in my hands. (a number 2 banjo bolt-their part number).  It is now
;the 19th day of April - They will not return my calls,  when I call and ask
;by name for the individuals who I was told was responsible,  they can't be
;found:  however, another person comes on the line to tell me that it will be
;only another week or two before the part may be available:  but guess what???
;they have my money and I am paying interest on something that they still
;have.  It is the product that was written up in Motorcyclist Magazine and
;then had a follow up in the same mag the next month. (March 1995)  Well,
; just be careful out there.  It will not break me, but the 300 dollars
;certainly could have been used elsewhere. Maybe as  down payment on an Ohlins
;shock or something.  

I wouldn't put it on even if they do send it to you.  I was also at Daytona, 
and in that tent, and saw that alleged ABS unit...for those of you who 
haven't seen this, it is a little aluminum thingy with a couple of threaded 
holes in it...about the size of a 35mm film canister.

Let's see...when Bosch developed their ABS for the BMW bikes, they must have 
used all those wheel speed sensors and valves and hydraulic motors and 
electronics and stuff because they were just not smart enough or good enough 
engineers to know that the same benefit could be packaged into a little deal 
that could be attached to your handlebars.  Repeat after me...feedback is 
your friend.  ABS works by using feedback on wheel acceleration to 
modulate/control brake fluid pressure.  That thingy...if it even works as 
advertised...will hold brake fluid pressure to a certain pressure, and won't 
let it get any higher.  If you set it for good surface conditions, it won't 
do anything on dirt/wet roads.  If you set it for poor conditions then you 
will have wet road braking performance even on good roads.  I have heard 
that they make good paperweights though...

 - Mitch
   '88 gray




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From belampe@whale.st.usm.edu Wed Apr 19 20:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Killer Hawk Price!!!

	I just got a grey 88 model that was in the attic of a honda dealer 
that sells more jet skis and used cars than honda cycles. New but
dusty(very)
0 miles no rust for about $2700. I made him show me the dealer invoice and
added tax to that for the total offered to him. Now I have two hawks. One
will be the perfect copy the other whatever  . 610 miles versus 15000 miles.
	Prices will climb for a pristine version I feel. Anybody can buy
an F-2 but they only made so many(few) hawks. Does anybody have a cool
non-stock paint job. I've heard of the RC-30 look-alikes. I plan to polish
the frame/swingarm on one of them. About $350 to do that though, not now
for sure. Hope all you RC-31'ers are keeping those hawks looking good!!!
Good summer riding ahead for all I hope....
			                   Brewster



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From ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us Wed Apr 19 22:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: The Alpha A.B.S. 



On Wed, 19 Apr 1995 JPlott@aol.com wrote:

>  just be careful out there.  It will not break me, but the 300 dollars
> certainly could have been used elsewhere. Maybe as  down payment on an Ohlins
> shock or something.  
> 
I assume you've written to your credit company and cancelled the charge?  
You shouldn't have a problem with this.  That's the nicest thing about 
putting stuff on a charge card.

Ellen Carrico		"Really, if the lower orders don't set us a good
ecarrico@spl.lib.wa.us	 example, what on earth is the use of them?  They 
			 seem, as a class, to have absolutely no sense of
			 moral responsibility."	
							Oscar Wilde 



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From GTRider9@aol.com Wed Apr 19 23:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Hawk Pricing

I've been watching the ongoing debate between Messrs. Clinton & Crowley with
interest, and now feel compelled to add my 2 cents worth as follows:
1) As an employee of a medium-sized Honda/Harley dealer in northern Colorado,
I can tell you that it is not unusual for clean used bikes to sell for as
much or more than they brought when new.  The '88 GL1500 listed for $8995,
and a nice one is still worth at least that much now.  Same with 500
Interceptors, VFR's, Nighthawk S's, V65 Magnas, and nearly any Shadow.  $3500
for a used Hawk GT looks pretty good compared to $7200 for an F3.  (And by
the way Dennis, why shouldn't a Hawk bring as much as an F2?  The F2 is a
nice bike, but it's way harder to work on, it has a steel frame, and twisting
the throttle at low revs is like pulling the pin on a hand grenade--you count
to 5 before anything happens.)
2)Mr. Crowley characterized the Hawk as "a routine piece of Asian
engineering".  Ever since then  I've been scratching my head trying to think
of another motorcycle that is even slightly similar to the Hawk GT.  The
VX800 has a similar riding position, but it's bog slow and handles like a
truck.  Maybe a Ducati?  I know a guy that bought a Ducati 900SS last August,
and if he can ever get it out of the shop for more than a couple of weeks
without it breaking, I hope to get a ride on it.  I'll be surprised if it is
as comfortable as my Hawk, though.  (And I already know it's not as reliable!)
  The Hawk GT is nothing if not unique, as opposed to the '57 Chevy, which
was only unusual in that it didn't rust out quite as fast as most other cars
of the day.  Maybe the Hawk should be compared to the Shelby 427; after all,
dealers couldn't give them away either in '67 but now they bring $100K+.

Back to you.

Dave Heald



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From jrickert@silver.sdsmt.edu Thu Apr 20 08:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem


On Wed, 19 Apr 1995 RGGAMMA@aol.com wrote:

> My wife says "in strong cross winds(gusts) my engine cuts out" This loss of
> power momentarily concerns me from a safety aspect.  Her bike has a Muzzy
> slip on, 5 1" holes cut in top of airbox, and a stage one dyno jet kit.  We
> are at 6K feet altitude.(the bike did the same thing before the mods also).
>  Anybody have any ideas????
> 
I have the same problem with my wife's Hawk.  Now that we live in South 
Dakota crosswinds are a common problem.  A crosswind from the right seems 
to be causing some sort of fuel starvation.  I would appreciate any 
advice on this matter.

Thanks

John Rickertsen                  jrickert@silver.sdsmt.edu
'88 HawkGT	'90 Ninja 600R		'83 KZ1100



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From vgregory@mckinley.den.mmc.com Thu Apr 20 11:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem

I had responded to the earlier message, but got the case wrong and didn't
get the message to the list.  The Hawks have a problem with crosswinds
coming out of the 2 o'clock position.  It has to do with the air intake to
the air box, and as far as I know, the only solution is to rework the
air box/intake setup altogether.  Victor Johnson up in Fort Collins has
replaced his airbox with two air filters, and that seemed to do the trick.
I'm south of Denver, up close to the foothills, and although I catch a
lot of crosswind on my commute, the 2 o'clock "problem" doesn't seem to
occur very often - my Hawk is still stock.  The only time I've really noticed
the momentary cut out is when the 2 o'clock gust is produced by a large truck.
That's a little nerve wracking.  Victor, if you're still following the list,
could you help these guys out?

Val Gregory
'90 Hawk GT - "Redtailed"
DoD #1258


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From goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us Thu Apr 20 12:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem

On Thu, 20 Apr 1995, John Rickertsen wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Apr 1995 RGGAMMA@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > My wife says "in strong cross winds(gusts) my engine cuts out" This loss of
> > power momentarily concerns me from a safety aspect.  Her bike has a Muzzy
> > slip on, 5 1" holes cut in top of airbox, and a stage one dyno jet kit.  We
> > are at 6K feet altitude.(the bike did the same thing before the mods also).
> >  Anybody have any ideas????
> > 
> I have the same problem with my wife's Hawk.  Now that we live in South 
> Dakota crosswinds are a common problem.  A crosswind from the right seems 
> to be causing some sort of fuel starvation.  I would appreciate any 
> advice on this matter.

 I solved the problem by cutting three slots (about 1/4" X 1") in the
airbox snorkel, about 1" up from the mouth. My bike is stock except for a
stage 1 dynojet kit. 
  I've always thought this was a cure all until I read RGGAMMA's note that
he had holes cut on top of the airbox. Before now, I would have thought
that that would cure it. The probem is caused by a vacuum across the mouth
of the airbox snorkel. My theory with the slots is that they are in a semi
protected place, so aren't affected as quickly by the pressure drop.
Possibly in areas with long, hard gusts, this protected area would also be
vacuumed.
  Before the slots, my bike would cut out when passing a truck on the
left, I think I've had one brief hesitation since, and that occurred when
riding on the leading (windy) edge of a pretty good storm. 

                                    Good luck    Matt/OH




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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Thu Apr 20 13:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Wierd Carb Problem

Sorry I don't remember who posted this concern re: engine surge
due to crosswinds.

The recommended "fix" in the past has been to either reroute
the carb float bowl vent hoses and/or fit baffles to the end
of these hoses to eliminate the apparent change in pressure
differential caused by crosswinds.

Rerouting the hoses hasn't worked for me and I haven't gotten 
around to the "baffle fix" yet.

Others on the list have had more experience with this than I.
Hope someone rises to the occasion.

Kit Vercella





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From simmon@eeel.nist.gov Thu Apr 20 14:20 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Wierd carb problem


In response to:

My wife says "in strong cross winds(gusts) my engine cuts out" This loss of
power momentarily concerns me from a safety aspect.  Her bike has a Muzzy
slip on, 5 1" holes cut in top of airbox, and a stage one dyno jet kit.  We
are at 6K feet altitude.(the bike did the same thing before the mods also).
 Anybody have any ideas????

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I had a problem with my FZR400 losing power at highway speeds.
Turns out the drain tubes for the carbs were at just the right angle
that the wind going by the side of the engine would create a low
pressure area within the tube and the carbs.  This affected either
the fuel mixture or the slide height which in turn caused the engine 
to lose power.  You might check this on the Hawk.  Try routing the
drain tubes into a catch can that is away from any crosswinds.

Good luck,

Eric


simmon@eeel.nist.gov



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From vlj@hpfcvlj.fc.hp.com Thu Apr 20 15:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem (fwd)


 Yo Hawkers,

> I had responded to the earlier message, but got the case wrong and didn't
> get the message to the list.  The Hawks have a problem with crosswinds
> coming out of the 2 o'clock position.  It has to do with the air intake to
> the air box, and as far as I know, the only solution is to rework the
> air box/intake setup altogether.  Victor Johnson up in Fort Collins has
> replaced his airbox with two air filters, and that seemed to do the trick.
> I'm south of Denver, up close to the foothills, and although I catch a
> lot of crosswind on my commute, the 2 o'clock "problem" doesn't seem to
> occur very often - my Hawk is still stock.  The only time I've really noticed
> the momentary cut out is when the 2 o'clock gust is produced by a large truck.
> That's a little nerve wracking.  Victor, if you're still following the list,
> could you help these guys out?

 Like Val sez, the switch to individual foam UNI filters vs. the stock
 airbox has eliminated the notorious 2 o'clock headwind stall for my Hawk.

 I've heard about the carb float vent hose and baffle theory/fix.  I haven't
 had the need to give it a try.  Supposedly, this is the "official" Honda
 description and fix and should exist as a technical bulletin.  Someone
 in tight with their local shop might get on the blower and ask the 
 mechanic staff about it.

 The addition of the UNI filters was done in conjunction with a low
 restriction exhaust and re-jetting of the carbs.  I don't think going
 to UNIs by themselves would be a satisfactory solution.  I'd think it
 would alter the breathing characteristics negatively (without the
 downwind compensation) and aggravate the low rev dead spot @ 3K and
 less.

 In addition, the stock airbox dampens virtually all of the intake roar
 from the carbs.  The UNIs don't.  When I whack the throttle, the intake
 roar and the bark coming out of the 2Bro pipe are both duking it out for
 first place.  The use of earplugs are more than recommended, they become
 mandatory.

 Cheers,                                  @                                  
 Victor "Dances with Hawks" Johnson  ... #%\                                 
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From cscops2@cscops2.Ebay.Sun.COM Thu Apr 20 17:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Emission removal






Well, I completed the task of removing the emission crap from 
my bike. The whole process hit a wall when I put the carbs back
on and found that it wouldn't run under throttle. As it turned 
out, I had the float bowl vents capped. It took six days to 
figure that one out, but that includes three days of rain(no garage).

Anyway, pulled the vacuum caps off the vents and she rumbled to 
life. What a sweet sound! So I took her out for a quick run. 
To those list members that say the Hawk wheelies easily, I have
one word.... Confirmed!! I followed the prescribed method and
she stood up like it was nothing. I could be persuaded to think
I gained a little muscle by pulling that junk, 'cause I've tried
to get the front up before unsuccessfully. Thoughts??? 


Kev-
'88 Blue


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From JPlott@aol.com Thu Apr 20 19:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem

Randy,  this may sound weird but:  check out the air equalizer tubes that go
to your carbs.  If they are out in the open or in the wrong position the air
pressure difference will starve your engine of fuel.  I have had this happen
with both my race bikes and street bike - -  particularly on street bikes
that have had carb mods.

Keep smiling     

John


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From goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us Thu Apr 20 20:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Emission removal

On Thu, 20 Apr 1995, Operator Console #2 wrote:

> Well, I completed the task of removing the emission crap from 
> my bike. The whole process hit a wall when I put the carbs back

What emission stuff are you referring to? Is your bike a CA model or 49 state?

> I gained a little muscle by pulling that junk, 'cause I've tried
> to get the front up before unsuccessfully. Thoughts??? 

I'd be interested in comments on this point as well.


Matt/oh




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From sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil Fri Apr 21 06:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Emission removal

>she stood up like it was nothing. I could be persuaded to think
>I gained a little muscle by pulling that junk, 'cause I've tried
>to get the front up before unsuccessfully. Thoughts??? 

        I doubt that you gained any noticable performance gain by just
removing the emissions hoses. Either you figured out how to 'get it up' or
it just feels faster, or you changed something else.

rich



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From sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil Fri Apr 21 06:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem (fwd)

Victor spouts:
> Like Val sez, the switch to individual foam UNI filters vs. the stock
> airbox has eliminated the notorious 2 o'clock headwind stall for my Hawk.
>
> I've heard about the carb float vent hose and baffle theory/fix.  I haven't
> had the need to give it a try.  Supposedly, this is the "official" Honda
> description and fix and should exist as a technical bulletin.  Someone
> in tight with their local shop might get on the blower and ask the 
> mechanic staff about it.

    The carb float vent theory (vacuum on end of vent hose prevents fuel
from being sucked into the motor) sounds valid to me... EXCEPT that if this
was the problem then Victor changes (filter, pipe, jets...) would not have
fixed the crosswind stalling.

> The addition of the UNI filters was done in conjunction with a low
> restriction exhaust and re-jetting of the carbs.  I don't think going
> to UNIs by themselves would be a satisfactory solution.  I'd think it
> would alter the breathing characteristics negatively (without the
> downwind compensation) and aggravate the low rev dead spot @ 3K and
> less.

    A very true statement.

> In addition, the stock airbox dampens virtually all of the intake roar
> from the carbs.  The UNIs don't.  When I whack the throttle, the intake
> roar and the bark coming out of the 2Bro pipe are both duking it out for
> first place.  The use of earplugs are more than recommended, they become
> mandatory.

    Worth noting if you don't want a loud bike.

rich



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From mel1523@vms1.tamu.edu Fri Apr 21 08:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem (fwd)

>    The carb float vent theory (vacuum on end of vent hose prevents fuel
>from being sucked into the motor) sounds valid to me... EXCEPT that if this
>was the problem then Victor changes (filter, pipe, jets...) would not have
>fixed the crosswind stalling.
>
True.  I had never noticed the 2 o'clock problem before, but my bike has the
Targa fairing.  Does anyone else out there with a Targa or any other
fairing, and the stock airbox have the stalling problem?  I have since
removed the stock airbox and gone with K&N's...I had to do a filter, and
they were cheaper than a new stock filter element.

I have heard from this group that this crosswind problem is rather severe.
I wouldn't expect (just based on intuition) the pressure effects from 70-80
MPH or so to have enough effect on air density to stall the whole engine as
dramatically as people describe.  I did a quick calc... at 70 MPH, with an
air density of 1.126 kg/m^3, the kinetic energy of the moving air is
equivalent to about 500 Pa using Bernoulli's equation.  This is about 0.5%
of an atmosphere.  If you use this as an estimate of how much the pressure
can change (magnitude-wise) around the bike, then I find it hard to believe
that a 0.5% air density change would stall the engine.  

However, for the float bowl vent and diaphragm high side pressure
references, this could be more of a factor.  At high throttle, there is a
smaller delta-P available to push the fuel around, so a small change in the
bowl pressure (determined by the vent tube reference) could have a large
relative effect.  Same goes for the diaphragm references.  The CV carb is
sorta a CP carb also.  The delta-P across the main jet is held constant (or
pretty close) by the piston/diaphragm/spring system.  This delta-P is not
that large (to not starve the engine).  Consequently, a few less Pa's on the
high side of the diaphragm could be alot of the total.  When you remove the
airbox, you also relocate these references.  They used to go that little
mini-filter deal hanging off the back of the airbox.  That might also have
been the problem. 

I don't suppose anyone out there (that still has the airbox :) would like to
test this out?  If you have the crosswind problem...unplug the diaphragm
references at the little black swivel elbow deals or at the back/underside
of the box, move them somewhere else, and see if the crosswind problem goes
away or changes character.

>> The addition of the UNI filters was done in conjunction with a low
>> restriction exhaust and re-jetting of the carbs.  I don't think going
>> to UNIs by themselves would be a satisfactory solution.  I'd think it
>> would alter the breathing characteristics negatively (without the
>> downwind compensation) and aggravate the low rev dead spot @ 3K and
>> less.
>
>    A very true statement.

Yes, but the filters, TBR exhaust, 145/150 mains, 48 slows, and 1.25 turns
out of the idles fixes these annoyances :)  3K RPM is about where the front
end runs out of preload, and then ... well ...

>> In addition, the stock airbox dampens virtually all of the intake roar
>> from the carbs.  The UNIs don't.  When I whack the throttle, the intake
>> roar and the bark coming out of the 2Bro pipe are both duking it out for
>> first place.  The use of earplugs are more than recommended, they become
>> mandatory.
>
>    Worth noting if you don't want a loud bike.

Agreed.  Everything I have done has made the bike louder, but at closed
throttle during engine braking, it sounds great to me and others who have
said so to me.  Funny, I never thought I would be complimented on how my
bike sounds DEcelerating.  

 - Mitch
  '88 gray



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From BarnettD@aol.com Fri Apr 21 09:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Accessories

I am a new Hawk rider.  Are there any accessories that you feel have been
invaluable?  Are there any catelogs that you recommend for looking for such
accessories?

-d


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From vgregory@mckinley.den.mmc.com Fri Apr 21 10:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem (fwd)

Mitch sez (in part) - 

>I had never noticed the 2 o'clock problem before, but my bike has the
>Targa fairing.  Does anyone else out there with a Targa or any other
>fairing, and the stock airbox have the stalling problem?

Well, I 'spect that explains why I've only noticed the problem a time
or so.  As I recall, the first was before I installed the Targa fairing,
and involved passing a large truck on his left.  The engine didn't
stall, it just lost power momentarily.  I also seem to recall
experiencing an engine fade from a crosswind gust one morning on my 
commute.  Winds that day were being clocked at 60+ mph, and this gust
was definitely in that range.  Of course, the engine fade may have
helped me keep the bike in its lane! 8O

But I'm keeping excerpts from this thread in case the 2 o'clock fade
gets too annoying!  :)

Val Gregory
'90 Hawk GT - "Redtailed"
DoD #1258



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From RGGAMMA@aol.com Fri Apr 21 10:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem & exhaust

Mel,

Thanks for the reply on this problem.  My wife's bike does have the Targa
fairing, but had the same problem prior to installation.  When the bike was
stock, the carb problems were 1.  Extreme flat spot at 2500 - 3500 rpm.
 2..Wind gust stalling problem.  The Dyno Jet kit  and Muzzy exhaust cured
#1.  I am still working on #2.  Can you give me the part number for the K & N
filters (is it a direct replacement for the stock one, that is does it go in
the stock airbox?)  I would have not thought there was enough room under the
tank for individual filters.  I am partial to the K & N over any of the foam
products.  The Muzzy exhaust is VERY LOUD!!!  Is the TBros quieter?  What
other systems are out there that retain the center stand and help performance
while remaining covert.


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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Fri Apr 21 10:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Filters and Exhausts...

RGGAMMA wrote:

>Can you give me the part number for the K & N
>filters (is it a direct replacement for the stock one, that is does it go in
>the stock airbox?)  I would have not thought there was enough room under the
>tank for individual filters.  I am partial to the K & N over any of the foam
>products.  The Muzzy exhaust is VERY LOUD!!!  Is the TBros quieter?  What
>other systems are out there that retain the center stand and help performance
>while remaining covert.

I am also very interested in the answers to these questions.

I'd like to boost performance a little bit, but I don't like really loud
bikes.  I would not mind a little more noise, but I don't want a screamer.

Do the K&N filters filter as much?  I mean, what's the use in using them if
they let so much dirt through so as to ruin the engine sooner?  Any
comments on this?

Phil





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From ano@mail.utexas.edu Fri Apr 21 10:50 PDT 1995

Visions of last semester's Physics class are coming back to haunt me.  If
the math scares you (as it does me), Hawkworks (of which I am a member)
included a template that is used to make a dam to prevent the infamous
crosswind stall.  I have never experienced the problem so have not done the
mod but I'm sure I could dig out the template and make it available if
someone would like it.  It looked quite simple and I believe it was mounted
behind the frame down tube and the head tube on both sides.

ano




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From wagamawe@ttown.apci.com Fri Apr 21 11:20 PDT 1995
Subject: What exactly is a Hawk?

I am new to the group.  I am in the market for a new used bike.
What is the Hawk considered, a sport bike, standard or inbetween?
I do not like sportbikes, too much pressure on the upper body.
The beasts are also very rare around here, I do not think I have
seen 1 advertized in the paper for the last 2 years.  
Mr Bill


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From vlj@hpfcvlj.fc.hp.com Fri Apr 21 11:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Filters and Exhausts...


 Yo Hawkers,

>>Can you give me the part number for the K & N
>>filters (is it a direct replacement for the stock one, that is does it go in
>>the stock airbox?)  I would have not thought there was enough room under the
>>tank for individual filters.  I am partial to the K & N over any of the foam
>>products.  The Muzzy exhaust is VERY LOUD!!!  Is the TBros quieter?  What
>>other systems are out there that retain the center stand and help performance
>>while remaining covert.
> 
> I am also very interested in the answers to these questions.
> 
> I'd like to boost performance a little bit, but I don't like really loud
> bikes.  I would not mind a little more noise, but I don't want a screamer.
> 
> Do the K&N filters filter as much?  I mean, what's the use in using them if
> they let so much dirt through so as to ruin the engine sooner?  Any
> comments on this?

 Beware of K&N filters, they do allow better air flow, but they _do_not_
 filter as well as the conventional paper variety nor oiled foam.

 I had K&N filters in my '75 Wing back when Mt. St. Helens blew and believe
 that their poor performance was the proximate cause of needing to replace
 all of the slides in the carbs after a couple of months of breathing that
 fine volcanic ash that was blowing about.  In addition, I'm including a
 synopsis of an engineering test evaluating K&N vs. paper on industrial
 machinery.  Read it for yourself and decide for yourself.  

 For my needs, the UNI foam oiled with copious amounts of PJ1 (what I hate
 about their chain lube I love about their filter oil - there IS NO ESCAPE
 from that sticky, gooey stuff ...) works marvelously.  When I first started
 using them, I was paranoid about filtration effectiveness.  Now, after
 three cleanings and re-oilings, there is _no_ evidence of particulates
 getting past the filters and onto the light coating of grease I applied
 to the carb entrances specifically to trap what was getting by.

 Here is that synopsis ...

===========================================================================

   Subj:  K & N filters

   ...  I was responsible for evaluating re-usable air filters for
   a major construction/mining company that had hundreds of vehicles
   ranging from large earthmovers to pick-up trucks and salesmen's
   cars.  This study was embarked upon due to the fact that we were
   spending upwards of $30,000 a MONTH on paper air filters.  Using
   them one time then throwing them away..  I inititated the study
   in that I was convinced that a K&N type filter or oiled foam
   would save us many dollars per year in filter savings, man hour
   savings, and of course engines as these would filter dirt better
   than paper.  (yes, I had read the K&N ads and was a believer)

   Representative test units were chosen to give us a broad spectrum
   from cars right through large front end loaders.  With each unit
   we had a long history of oil analysis records so that changes
   would be trackable.

   Unfortunately, for me, every single unit having alternative
   re-usable air cleaners showed an immediate large jump in silicon
   (dirt) levels with corresponding major increases in wear metals.
   In one extreme case, a  unit with a primary and secondary air
   cleaner, the secondary (small paper element) clogged before even
   one day's test  run could be completed.  This particular unit
   had a Cummins V-12 engine that had paper/paper one one bank and
   K&N/paper on the other bank; two completely independent induction
   systems.  The conditions were EXACTLY duplicated for each bank
   yet the K&N allowed so much dirt to pass through that the small
   filter became clogged before lunch.  The same outcome occured
   with oiled foams on this unit.
    We discontinued the tests on the large pieces almost immediately
    but
   continued with service trucks, formen's vehicles, and my own
   company car. Analysis results continued showing markedly increased
   wear rates for all the vehicles, mine included.  Test concluded,
   switched back to paper/glass and all vehicles showed reduction
   back to near original levels of both wear metals and dirt.  I
   continued with the K&N on my company car out of stubborness and
   at 85,000 miles the Chevy 305 V-8 wheezed its last breath.  The
   top end was sanded badly; bottom end was just fine.  End of
   test.

   I must stress that EVERYONE involved in this test was hoping
   that alternative filters would work as everyone was sick about
   pulling out a perfectly good $85 air cleaner and throwing 4 of
   them away each week per machine...

   So, I strongly suggest that depending upon an individual's long
   term plan for their vehicles they simply run an oil analysis at
   least once to see that the K&N or whatever alternative air filter
   is indeed working IN THAT APPLICATION...  It depends on a person's
   priorities.  If you want performance then indeed the K&N is the
   way to go but at what cost???

   And no, I do not work for a paper or glass air filter manufacturing
   company nor do I have any affiliation with anything directly or
   indirectly that could benefit George Morrison as a result..

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From Robert_Meyer@occshost.nlm.nih.gov Fri Apr 21 11:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: 

     Yes, please, I would like to see it.  
     
                                Thanks, Bob Meyer


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Author:  ano@mail.utexas.edu@INTERNET at SMTPCC
Date:    4/21/95 12:43 PM


Visions of last semester's Physics class are coming back to haunt me.  If 
the math scares you (as it does me), Hawkworks (of which I am a member) 
included a template that is used to make a dam to prevent the infamous 
crosswind stall.  I have never experienced the problem so have not done the 
mod but I'm sure I could dig out the template and make it available if 
someone would like it.  It looked quite simple and I believe it was mounted 
behind the frame down tube and the head tube on both sides.
     
ano


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From horangr@hsd.utc.com Fri Apr 21 13:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawks.

Hopefully this is'nt an automated mailing list, if so,I guess I'll get some
junk mail soon.

If not, can you please sign me up to the Hawk GT mailing list?
I've got a 88' with about 11k on it.  It's in good condition and I
love it.

Thanks.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~ Gregg P. Horan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How can he be so skinny and live so fat ~~~~~
~~ horangr@hsd.utc.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ B.B.'s ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~ gph@rcinet.utc.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~ hora2999@sparky.hgc.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~ lroe@mulnctr.umass.edu ~~~~ My opinions are not those of Hamilton Standard ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From peahat@mail.grove.ufl.edu Fri Apr 21 13:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem & exhaust



On Fri, 21 Apr 1995 RGGAMMA@aol.com wrote:

> Mel,
> 
> Thanks for the reply on this problem.  My wife's bike does have the Targa

> products.  The Muzzy exhaust is VERY LOUD!!!  Is the TBros quieter?  What
> other systems are out there that retain the center stand and help performance
> while remaining covert.
> 
I saw the advertisement for the Dale Walker LEFT side exhaust in Sport 
Rider.  It looks really sweet, but the cost might be prohibitive--$389.

todd



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From cscops2@cscops2.Ebay.Sun.COM Fri Apr 21 17:35 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Emission removal




>what exactly did you remove? 



Several people have asked me this question.


I removed the two cv valves that are mounted to the rear of
the airbox. I removed the Charcoal canister that is mounted
on top of the cross brace, just behind the oil filter. And
I removed the airpump that is mounted to the left side of the
engine, above the stator cover. There is also a maze of hoses 
that I took off. On my bike these hoses were numbered, and 
from memory they were 4,5,6,7,11 and 15. The airpump has hoses
at either end which connect to small chrome pipes.These are 
bolted into the exhaust ports. These have to be capped somehow.
It was suggested to me that they be welded, or that a hose be 
run from the front pipe to the rear pipe. Another option is
to run a bolt directly into the end of the pipe. 

Apparently, all of the above items are only to be found on
CA. models. I'm scrawling some notes in my owners manual on
what I did. When it is worthy of the homepage I'll forward
it to Mitch. The most frustrating part is there is not a lot
of detail in the manual on the emission system. You have to 
kind of guess at it a little, but once you've done it you
go " that was easy ". 

Good luck 

Kev-


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From GTRider9@aol.com Fri Apr 21 17:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Wierd carb problem & exhaust

K&N does not make a replacement for the stock air filter panel (nor does
anyone else that I know of.)  There is room for individual filters if you
mash them down a little bit, but THEY ARE LOUD!  I tried them for about one
trip around the block, but they were too much for me.  As I've written
previously, I quieted my Muzzy slip-on with a Supertrapp retrofit kit--E-mail
me for details.  The last time I  experienced the dreaded side-wind cutout, I
found that I could cure it with some strategically-placed duct tape.
 Basically, I taped over the triangular gap in the right front of the frame
(just above the radiator hose.  I haven't had a chance to verify my solution
however; the cut-out problem has only happened to me about three times in the
four years I've had the bike--the wind has to hit you in just the right way.
 My GS650G used to do the same thing, and I fixed it by rerouting the vacuum
chamber vent hoses, but they didn't run into the airbox like the Hawk's do.


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From ddc10@columbia.edu Fri Apr 21 23:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Parts is parts

OK Folks- you people did a pretty good job of cannibalizing this poor 
bike.  Honestly, it was like throwing a steak into a piranha tank.  I had 
over a HUNDRED emails asking for various parts, and I really have to 
thank all of you for bothering me with stuff like "Do you have the 
brake caliper mounting bolts?  Actually, just the top one?"

Here's what's left.  It's really between you people and the junkyard- I 
live in a 1-bedroom apartment, and certainly don't have the space for all 
this junk.  I"d much rather see a Hawker from here take it than a junker 
whho's just gonna rape one of you the next chance he gets- make me an 
offer!  Any offer!

-- Rear brake caliper w/pads
-- Rear braeke m/c
-- fuel pump
-- Front fork legs, minus one cap
-- Front wheel
-- Sprockets (don't ask- they're fine)
-- Front brake caliper w/pads
-- Wire harness
-- Swingarm
-- Tires ( the original Bridgerocks- I know they suck, but they're 
CHEAP!!! College students, take note!  They are barely worn.)
-- Frame with Title

Although that frame might make a really good coffee table, I already have 
one (both a frame AND a coffee table) so somebody PLEASE make an offer!

Thanx for all your help, folks- see y'all at Loudon!

DC



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Fri Apr 21 23:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Uhh... oops.

Hi again, folks... upon re-reading my first paragraph, I realized it 
should have read, "Thank you for NOT, repeat NOT, bothering me with..." 
and so on and so forth.

Thanx again,
DC



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From gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu Sat Apr 22 10:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: What exactly is a Hawk?

Bill,

The fellow I bought my Hawk from termed it a "poor man's Duc".  I'm neither
a man, nor totally at povery level, but I think his description is apt.  The
best thing about the Hawk is it's versatility.  It can be a sportbike if you
want a sportbike, but the riding position as stock is very standard and I think
comfortable.  You can commute on it.  You can race it if you want to.  You can
meddle with it to your heart's content.  The only thing that's somewhat
difficult is touring and only because the small gas tank means many stops.

They are getting rarer, but get one, and you won't be sorry.

      				 Pam

gilman@mtwil1.mtwilson.edu            				  



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From mudpuppy@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Sat Apr 22 11:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Touring possibilities...


Pam's comments about touring and the small tank lead me to ask a few questions:

I sold a BMW R80G/S Paris Dakar to get my Hawk.  After the Beemer, maybe
nothing will be quite the traveler, but I'd like to carry more stuff on my
Hawk than I can with a tankbag.

Has anyone used soft luggage with any success on the Hawk?  What kind?

Does anyone make a small stylish rear rack for the Hawk?  I envision a
small carbon-fiber platform that extends about 6 inches off the rear and
around the side to allow bungee cords to attach without scratching the rear
plastic.  Dreaming?  Perhaps.

Has anyone made any custom modifications to their Hawk to allow it to carry
more stuff?

What about larger tanks?  Someone here mentioned that he was getting one
built.  What's the status, and what'd it cost?

Phil Calvin                                                     '91 HawkGT
Department of Environmental Sciences and Engineering            DoD #242
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill               




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From sheldon@vortex.netbistro.com Sat Apr 22 12:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: What exactly is a Hawk?

On Sat, 22 Apr 1995 gilman@mtwil1.netcom.com wrote:

> meddle with it to your heart's content.  The only thing that's somewhat
> difficult is touring and only because the small gas tank means many stops.

Anybody know of a fix to make the tanker larger unobtrusivly?  Such as 
running a bladder down the frame (if it's hollow, I'm new at the bike).


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From cscops2@cscops2.Ebay.Sun.COM Mon Apr 24 16:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Touring possibilities...

> Has anyone used soft luggage with any success on the Hawk?  What kind?

I have a set of Chase Harpers that work really well for me. If you happen
to be running a SuperTrapp external dics system, you'll have to do something
to deflect the exhaust off of your bags, or you'll have a meltdown. My local
fabricator found an effective solution for 20 bucks. 

 
Kev-
'88 Blue


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Mon Apr 24 17:35 PDT 1995
Subject: TEsting again


Again, if ANYBODY GETS THIS!!!  please e-mail me.  This is beginning
to really piss me off . . .

THanks!

Mike


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Mon Apr 24 18:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Thanks for responding


The problem has apparently been fixed.  A big thanks to all those
that responded to my plea for help (my mail wasn't getting through,
in case you didn't read it).


Mike


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Mon Apr 24 18:06 PDT 1995
Subject: '88 Hawk for sale



Hey everyone:

Unfortunately, I must sell my bike (due to cicumstances that are
only partially out of my control).

Here 'tis.  I wanted to offer it to the list before I went "public"
with it.  

 --------

1988 Honda Hawk
o Metallic Blue paint (very good condition, minor scrathes in rear cowl)
o 19k miles on VERY well maintained motor (actually, 18,900)
o Supertrapp exhaust
o Jet kit
o Modified Intake system  (have all original parts for intake)
o Clip ons (have original bars)
o Progressive fork springs (front), with 10 wt fork oil (have original springs)
o Mechanically sound, been pampered by owner since purchased in 1993
o Absolutely _no_ rust to be found

For those of you who know me, you know that I take meticulous
care of the bike (except I need to wash it! :-).

Unfortunately, I do NOT have the original pipes for the bike.  They
came with it when I bought it.

I must admit, the speedometer behaves a little funny.  It works OK,
but sometimes requires a bat to the head to get spinning properly
(the odometer never fails, tho, and I have run it on five mile
tests on Nevada testing runs and it reads OK).  Also, it's tire
time.  I recommend MEZ1's front and rear.  The sportmaxes have
served me well, but are just about out of juice.

Otherwise . . .

This bike behaves, runs, sounds, rides, and handles flawlessly.  I
feel tremendously guilty selling it, but circumstances require it.
 

I'm located in Reno, NV, for those of you who don't remember me (from
various Hawk list posts, etc).  Would be willing to transport to
any reasonable location.


Best reasonable offer accepted.  


Mike

PS - E-mail me if you have ANY questions at all.  Thanks.


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From cscops2@cscops2.Ebay.Sun.COM Mon Apr 24 23:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Rich???




Ok guys, since my recently reported mods, (see "emmission removal")
the bike seems a little sluggish. Not exactly underpowered, just
lacking crispness. Would this be a symptom of a rich mixture. What
other possible problems could cause this. Also, I never recieved
a response on the jetting question I had. Namely what is the effect
of having the same size jets (#144) front and rear. 

Thanx
Kev-
'88 Blue


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From sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil Tue Apr 25 06:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Rich or Lean??

>Ok guys, since my recently reported mods, (see "emmission removal")
>the bike seems a little sluggish. Not exactly underpowered, just

   Didn't you report that you thought that the bike felt stronger after
removing the CA emmissions stuff? I still contend that the CA emmission
hoses should have little if any impact on engine performance. They are
mostly concerned with gasoline evaporation. I'll take a look at the manual
for the hawk.

>lacking crispness. Would this be a symptom of a rich mixture. What
>other possible problems could cause this. Also, I never recieved
>a response on the jetting question I had. Namely what is the effect
>of having the same size jets (#144) front and rear. 

   It's nearly impossible to give good jetting advise over the phone, email,
etc. Poor throttle response could be lean OR rich. If you end up frustrated
a dyno is your best bet.

   Also, I don't think that a #144 jet is a keihin jet. Everyone take note:
jets from different manufacturers are NOT interchangable, even if they look
the same. A #130 Dynojet main looks just like a #130 keihin main, but the
flow differently. The reason that the jets on a hawk are different
front/rear is that the two cylinders run at different temperatures. (unless
you modify the water flow path, a common racing trick)

        Please tell me again what your setup is and I'll comment more
specifically. (intake, engine mods, exhaust, etc)

rich



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From s.tan@mail.utexas.edu Tue Apr 25 10:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk FS in Austin

Well folks, I am looking to buy a '91 VFR and need to sell my '89 Hawk to 
buy it.  The Hawk is in absolute showroom condition, has just under 13k 
miles, and is stock except for a matching Targa fairing and Michelin 
Hi-Sports. I have all recent maintenance records.  If interested call Simon 
at 512 473 2863 or reply to this post.  Thanks.
Simon Tan
ldaj427@mcl.cc.utexas.edu



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From Robert_Meyer@occshost.nlm.nih.gov Tue Apr 25 11:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Seen on wreck.moto

     Subject: HAWK GT FOR SALE!!!
     From: jimduc916@aol.com (JimDuc916)
     Date: 24 Apr 1995 19:18:07 -0400
     Message-ID: <3nhbjf$oba@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
     
     That's right, 1988 Honda Hawk GT for sale, Dead mint, less than 1300 
     miles
     on it, bone stock, too clean for me, Blue, ...price $3200.  Possible
     partial trade for a YSR-50 or two...
     Buffalo, NY
     
     Tons of parts, for hawks, too.
     
     Jimduc916@aol.com
     716-688-4768
     
     ***Please E-Mail the originator of the ad, not ME!  *****


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Apr 25 12:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Ack!  Quit it!!


Thanks to all that responded to me about my e-mail problems. 

They HAVE BEEN SOLVED!  You can ignore the earlier post that
asked for you to e-mail me if you received that message.

Thanks!!!!!

Mike

ObHawk:  I'm selling my '88.  Lemme know if you're interested.



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From Robert_Meyer@occshost.nlm.nih.gov Tue Apr 25 12:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re[2]: Touring possibilities...

     


>> Has anyone used soft luggage with any success on the Hawk?  What kind?
     
>I have a set of Chase Harpers that work really well for me. If you happen
>to be running a SuperTrapp external dics system, you'll have to do something 
>to deflect the exhaust off of your bags, or you'll have a meltdown. My local 
>fabricator found an effective solution for 20 bucks.
     
     
>Kev-

Kev:

Could you possibly describe what the solution your 
fabricator came up with looks/works like.

Thanks,

Bob
'88 Gray (w/ Supertrapp)


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From greaney@ee.unr.edu Tue Apr 25 13:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Touring possibilities...

> >> Has anyone used soft luggage with any success on the Hawk?  What kind?
>      
> >I have a set of Chase Harpers that work really well for me. If you happen
> >to be running a SuperTrapp external dics system, you'll have to do something 
> >to deflect the exhaust off of your bags, or you'll have a meltdown. My local 
> >fabricator found an effective solution for 20 bucks.
>      
>      
> >Kev-
> 
> Kev:
> 
> Could you possibly describe what the solution your 
> fabricator came up with looks/works like.
> 

I dunno what Kevin is doing, but you may want to consider
the Supertrapp's "dial-a-back-pressure" option.  This is
an end cap wth a tunable size port to let exhaust through
not terribly quiet, but I can't imagine it'd be much
louder than a normal supertrapp.  They are only approved
for racing (no street), but considering you're already
breaking all kinds of laws with the supertrapp anyway
(especially in the dB department).

I think they can be obtained from Supertrapp directly
for about $25.


Also, try taking a piece of aluminum and shaping it so that
it will deflect exhaust away from the bike.  I'll try to make
one soon (when I get some time . . .).


-Mike


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From JimDuc916@aol.com Tue Apr 25 21:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk and parts for sale

FS--1988 Hawk GT, less than 1300 miles, dead mint, bone stock,(where did
those expressions come from?), blue, in Western NY state, $3200.
Also, lots and lots of parts for Hawks, plus misc other bike stuff.
Interested parties e-mail jimduc916@aol.com, or call 716-688-4768
thanks!!!


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From mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil Wed Apr 26 04:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Touring possibilities...

>>I have a set of Chase Harpers that work really well for me. If you happen
>>to be running a SuperTrapp external dics system, you'll have to do something 
>>to deflect the exhaust off of your bags, or you'll have a meltdown. My local 
>>fabricator found an effective solution for 20 bucks.

>Could you possibly describe what the solution your 
>fabricator came up with looks/works like.

One of my mail-order catalogs shows a Supertrapp heat deflector.  Any dealer
should
be able to get this from Supertrapp.  I don't know the price.

David Mackintosh              Germantown, MD    DoD #1360
mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil    '92 Sovereign    '89 Hawk GT



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From jrickert@silver.sdsmt.edu Wed Apr 26 08:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Thanks for help


I appreciate all the advice by everyone about the crosswind "hiccup" as 
Jennifer calls it.  I should mention that the bike has the Targa faring 
but engine and exhaust are stock.  I doubt I can convince her to change 
the exhaust, rejet, etc. as she is very happy with the bike as it is.  I 
will try to do some hose rerouting and see if that solves the problem.  

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Rickertsen					jrickert@silver.sdsmt.edu
South Dakota State University
West River Research and Extension Center       Rapid City, SD (605)394-2236
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From peahat@mail.grove.ufl.edu Wed Apr 26 09:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Touring possibilities...



On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, David Mackintosh wrote:

> >>I have a set of Chase Harpers that work really well for me. If you happen
> >>to be running a SuperTrapp external dics system, you'll have to do something 
> >>to deflect the exhaust off of your bags, or you'll have a meltdown. My local 
> >>fabricator found an effective solution for 20 bucks.
> 
> >Could you possibly describe what the solution your 
> >fabricator came up with looks/works like.
> 
> One of my mail-order catalogs shows a Supertrapp heat deflector.  Any dealer
> should
> be able to get this from Supertrapp.  I don't know the price.
> 
> David Mackintosh              Germantown, MD    DoD #1360
> mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil    '92 Sovereign    '89 Hawk GT
> 
> 
I have purchased this deflector and it didn't work for me.  I'm the one 
who post a while ago about the Tourmaster (a good cheap bag by the way) 
turning to soup because of the 'trapp.  My bags were pretty full and I 
only had about 1 1/2-2" clearance between the pipe and the bag, but I 
wouldn't rely on the deflector alone anyway.  I'm going to look into 
making a bigger (uglier) and more functional one myself.
todd



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From rawlins@cig.mot.com Thu Apr 27 13:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Tanks, again.

OK all you Hawkers out there, project Hawk Tank might, I say
just might be starting up again!


Now that I've got your attention, here's the scoop. :) :)

I've been talking to a friend of mine named Mike about
fabricating a larger tank for the Hawk.  Mike works at an
auto body shop and has lots of experience working with both
steel and fiberglass, as well as experience with fiberglass
tanks for race bikes.

The stock tank holds 3.2 gallons and we figure that an extra
1 1/2 gallons should be feasable while still maintaining the
light sporty look of the bike.

This may not sound like a lot, but my Hawk gets about 48 mpg 
and I'm walking after 153 miles.  An extra 1 1/2 gallons would 
add 72 miles and bring the range up to 225 miles.  That's about 
25 miles further than a VFR 750 will go.

Mike's already said that he'd be willing to re-work your stock
steel tank.  This would involve cutting it up, welding in 
expansion panels, smoothing it out with bondo and repainting.
We can't really say how much it's going to cost until he does
one, but if you're interested give me a call and we'll work 
something out.

If enough people want a fiberglass tank, we'll make a mold and
form up a tank.  Then based on how many people want one, we'll 
set a price.  The more tanks we can sell, the lower the price.

I personally feel that a fiberglass tank would be better since        
it would be lighter than stock, while still holding close to 
5 gallons.

Before we start this project we want to know how much interest
there is, so...  What do you guys think?   Would you buy one if 
the price were reasonable?


Rob Rawlins     (rawlins@cig.mot.com)           90 Yamaha FJ1200
                                                90 Honda  HawkGT
DoD# 1172                                       81 Suzuki PE400


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From Victor.A.King@dartvax.dartmouth.edu Thu Apr 27 14:07 PDT 1995
Subject: Paint


hey does anyone out there know where i can get my hands on some blue touch up
paint?  i was just informed by my loc. that he cant get any for me b/c the bike
is too old.

i really could use some to restore the bike to its pre-vandalized state.


thanks.

S
'88 blue


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From mkessler@moose.uvm.edu Thu Apr 27 14:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Tanks, again.

On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Robert M. Rawlins wrote:

> OK all you Hawkers out there, project Hawk Tank might, I say
> just might be starting up again!
> 
> 
> Now that I've got your attention, here's the scoop. :) :)
> 
> I've been talking to a friend of mine named Mike about
> fabricating a larger tank for the Hawk.  Mike works at an
> auto body shop and has lots of experience working with both
> steel and fiberglass, as well as experience with fiberglass
> tanks for race bikes.
> 
> The stock tank holds 3.2 gallons and we figure that an extra
> 1 1/2 gallons should be feasable while still maintaining the
> light sporty look of the bike.
> 
> This may not sound like a lot, but my Hawk gets about 48 mpg 
> and I'm walking after 153 miles.  An extra 1 1/2 gallons would 
> add 72 miles and bring the range up to 225 miles.  That's about 
> 25 miles further than a VFR 750 will go.
> 
> Mike's already said that he'd be willing to re-work your stock
> steel tank.  This would involve cutting it up, welding in 
> expansion panels, smoothing it out with bondo and repainting.
> We can't really say how much it's going to cost until he does
> one, but if you're interested give me a call and we'll work 
> something out.
> 
> If enough people want a fiberglass tank, we'll make a mold and
> form up a tank.  Then based on how many people want one, we'll 
> set a price.  The more tanks we can sell, the lower the price.
> 
> I personally feel that a fiberglass tank would be better since        
> it would be lighter than stock, while still holding close to 
> 5 gallons.
> 
> Before we start this project we want to know how much interest
> there is, so...  What do you guys think?   Would you buy one if 
> the price were reasonable?
> 
> 
> Rob Rawlins     (rawlins@cig.mot.com)           90 Yamaha FJ1200
>                                                 90 Honda  HawkGT
> DoD# 1172                                       81 Suzuki PE400
> 

I would be interested at the right price.  

"Too many stops for fuel 
spoileth the ride."  (W. Shakespeare)


=============================================================================
Marc Kessler  DoD # 1218 AMA # 644782 1988 Honda NT650 
E-Mail mkessler@moose.uvm.edu
============================================================================



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From jel@walker.com Thu Apr 27 14:21 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Tanks, again.

     
     I'd consider buying one if the price was reasonable and it LOOKED
     GOOD!  What about the safety considerations of fiberglass?  Seems
     like a tipover in the garage would be a mess....
     
     "Gee, Mr. Fireman, the water heater exploded after the fumes from
     the spilled gas hit it.  How'd that happen?  Well...."
     
     Jeff



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From AFKJV@acad2.alaska.edu Thu Apr 27 14:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Larger Hawk Tank

Thanks to Rob Rawlins for doing the legwork on a
larger Hawk tank. Count me in on a fiberglass unit
provided, of course, that quality is up to standards
and price doesn't require pawning my dental work.

Kit Vercella
afkjv@acad2.alaska.edu




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From vgregory@mckinley.den.mmc.com Thu Apr 27 15:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:  Tanks, again.

I'd be interested in costs for both the metal rebuild and the
fiberglass tank.  For the fiberglass, let's start throwing
numbers out - seems I remember the last time we were close to
getting a shop to come up with a 'glass tank, the price was
about $750.  I was willing to bite at that.  I'd like to check
out the looks first, of course.  So we're back where we were
about a year ago - who's willing to do without a tank to be
used as a prototype?

(My SO's favorite line - "You need to stop AGAIN?"

Val Gregory
'90 Hawk GT - "Redtailed"
DoD #1258


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From sjohnson@dfw.net Thu Apr 27 20:20 PDT 1995

Please add me to your hawk list:

sjohnson@dfw.net

Thanks,
Steve Johnson




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From nightfall.com!sheldon@vortex.netbistro.com Thu Apr 27 23:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Paint


On 27 Apr 1995, Victor A. King wrote:

> hey does anyone out there know where i can get my hands on some blue touch up
> paint?  i was just informed by my loc. that he cant get any for me b/c the bike
> is too old.

That's a really good question.  My '89 red has a few marks where the seat 
legs hook around.  Looks like the previous owner had a hard time putting 
the seat on sometimes.



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From kaj@ix.netcom.com Thu Apr 27 23:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?



	I am going to be building my Hawk up this summer. I've got
the handling well sorted already, but have a bog-stock motor.
I would really appreciate any information from those who have
heavy hitting Hawks on what to have done. This will be a street
only bike and I want it to be reliable and idle properly when warm.

	I have about $2500 to spend and could really use help to
make the best of it. Thanks a bunch.


				Karl



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 00:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?

Hi...

I've built a number of Hawks, for both street and race use.  I'd be happy 
to share whatever I can with you, including what has worked (and more 
importantly, NOT worked) for me.

Drop me a line- we'll chat about all kinds of stuff.

I also have a lot of references to people who definitely know what the 
hell they're doing with Hawks, the most notable being Mike Velasco- Fred 
Merkel's WSB-winning tuner-turned-Hawk-guru.

C ya
DC



------------------------------

From <@adi.analog.com:Kenneth.Lawas@analog.com> Fri Apr 28 05:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Paint



> hey does anyone out there know where i can get my hands on some blue
> touch up paint?  i was just informed by my loc. that he cant get any
> for me b/c the bike is too old.

  My brother-in-law is painting my '90 tank (you know, with the rare
  red paint option) and bought his paint from Colorrite (?).  They
  feature OEM motorcycle paints and do sell touch-up pens.  I picked up
  their card at Marcus Dairy last weekend and have it at home.  I'll
  post their number and address Monday.

  The cost was expensive compared to car paint.  Something like $40 a
  PINT with a tax number...

  -Ken 
   kenneth.lawas@analog.com

   90 NT650
   82 XJ650J


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From l-chi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Fri Apr 28 09:35 PDT 1995
Subject: headlight problem

I hope ther is somebody who can help me. My headlight is really goofy. It 
has a problem of turning off by itself. Sometimes it doesn't turn on when 
I turn the key to the bike, sometimes it turns on right after the bike 
fires. Somtimes, it will just turn off while i'm riding and later turn 
back on. I've checked the bulb and the connections at the headlight but 
they seem to be O.K. Switching from low to high beam doesn't help either. 
They both don't work when the headlights off. I've checked the fuse and 
aalso the low-high swith at the lever, but that looks O.K. too. I can't 
read the wiring diagram to save my life, so I don't know where and what 
to look for. I try to avoid riding at night, because I'm afraid the 
headlight won't work. Please help me, I can't afford $42 an hour for a 
mechanic.

Thanks,
Jae


------------------------------

From Roger_A._Hackett@ccmepus.mobil.com Fri Apr 28 10:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: headlight problem


>chi louis jae  
>My headlight is really goofy. It has a problem of turning off by itself. 
>Sometimes it doesn't turn on when I turn the key to the bike, sometimes
>it turns on right after the bike fires. Somtimes, it will just turn off 
>while i'm riding and later turn back on. 

Mine does the same on an infrequent basis.  It seems to be conected with major 
weather changes and I can usually fix it by turning the ignition off (while 
parked of course).  Based on that, I think it is my ignition switch.  It hasn't 
gotten frequent enough to really bother me yet.

Roger



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From tosch@acsu.buffalo.edu Fri Apr 28 10:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Tanks and Hawks


	This is my first time posting, so hopefully I did it right.

I have been talking to a guy around here (Buffalo), about the Hawk tank 
enlargement plan.  He said it's possible to add about a gallon by running 
separate air filters without the box and having the addition welded 
underneath the tank.  This way the cosmetics aren't affected.  I don't 
have a Hawk yet, which leads to my question:
	You may have seen his post in rec.moto or here, he has a blue '88 
with 1300 miles on it.  I haven't seen it yet, but he says it's totally 
stock and in perfect shape.  I also have a line on a '90 (red) with 3500 
miles on it, but that one involves a little travel, not too big a deal.  
I was wondering what differences there are in the models and if they 
would be worth about the same if they are in the same condition.  
Anything to look for in buying one would help me out a lot.  Thanks, I 
hope the tank idea helps.  I would be interrested in a larger tank if I 
get a Hawk soon.

Mike
'88 brown pickup ;-)



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From Doug_Wiebe@NeXT.COM Fri Apr 28 11:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?

Please conduct this conversation on the hawkgt mailing list! I have
similar interests as Karl and would like to hear what you have to say.
I'm sure there are others on the list that are interested also.

- Doug

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 03:10:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Daniel Crowley 
X-Sender: ddc10@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu
To: "K.Nightman" 
Cc: hawkgt@dsea.com
Subject: Re: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?
In-Reply-To: <199504280655.XAA04289@ix4.ix.netcom.com>

Hi...

I've built a number of Hawks, for both street and race use.  I'd be happy
to share whatever I can with you, including what has worked (and more
importantly, NOT worked) for me.

Drop me a line- we'll chat about all kinds of stuff.

I also have a lot of references to people who definitely know what the
hell they're doing with Hawks, the most notable being Mike Velasco- Fred
Merkel's WSB-winning tuner-turned-Hawk-guru.

C ya
DC



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From rpereira@lri.stjosephs.london.on.ca Fri Apr 28 11:06 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: headlight problem




	I have a 1988 hawk which I bought last summer.  Just after
I got the bike I had a similar problem with my headlights.  After a
while, I had more problems - the engine would start to get really
erratic while I was riding.  To temporarily fix it I would have to
turn the ignition off and restart the bike (actually, hitting the
start button (while riding) would fix the problem but I didn't like
to do that).   I took apart a lot of stuff and tried to figure
out the wiring but nothing worked.  In the end, when I put the key 
in the ignition, no lights (not even oil, etc...) turned on.  I 
tightened the battery leads and have had no problem ever since.  
	I hope this helps you.
RP


------------------------------

From elliot@scf.usc.edu Fri Apr 28 11:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: headlight problem

> I hope ther is somebody who can help me. My headlight is really goofy. It 
> has a problem of turning off by itself. Sometimes it doesn't turn on when 
> I turn the key to the bike, sometimes it turns on right after the bike 
> fires. Somtimes, it will just turn off while i'm riding and later turn 
> back on. I've checked the bulb and the connections at the headlight but 
> they seem to be O.K. Switching from low to high beam doesn't help either. 
> They both don't work when the headlights off. I've checked the fuse and 
> aalso the low-high swith at the lever, but that looks O.K. too. I can't 
> read the wiring diagram to save my life, so I don't know where and what 
> to look for. I try to avoid riding at night, because I'm afraid the 
> headlight won't work. Please help me, I can't afford $42 an hour for a 
> mechanic.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jae
> 

Jae and everyone else with the headlight problem,

I had the same problem on my '88 bike, and it got to the point where the
light would never come on.  After failing to find the problem myself, I gave
up and took it to a mechanic.  I didn't watch him fix it (though I should
have in retrospect), but from what I saw afterwards, it seemed as though it
was a problem in the wiring around the kill switch.  I thought this was
strange, but since I have no mechanical experience other than what I learned
by fooling with things, I didn't question it because the light now works
fine, and has since he did this.  It looked like all he did was put some oil
in the kill switch housing.  My symptoms in the beginning where exactly the
same as those which you posted, and now things are fine.  If it's not the
battery connection as suggested by RP, try this.  If anyone else knows how
the kill switch and headlight are connected, please post it - I want to know
for next time.

Tom


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From <@gaudi.CSUFresno.EDU:tprigmo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU> Fri Apr 28 12:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: headlight problems

Hi all,
     I had the same problem a while back after much frustration I
finally took it in.  It turned out to be the engine cut-off switch.
After they replaced it I haven't had any problems.  Dont ask me what the
cut-off switch has to do with the headlight!
     good luck!
     	       	    Todd

- 
916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916
This E-mail is Desmodronically powered...For your safety please step back.
     	       	    	      	       
'89 Hawk GT              	       Todd Prigmore
     	       	    	      	       tprigmo@csufresno.edu
916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916.916
All opinions expressed belong soley to me, in spite of the objections
of those whom I have ripped off.


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From Danny.Coady@NCR.OTTWPO.dfo-mpo.x400.gc.ca Fri Apr 28 13:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk GT mailing list

I would like to be included in the Honda Hawk GT mailing list.  
My E-Mail address is

Danny.Coady@ncr.ottwpo.dfo-mpo.x400.gc.ca

Info:
Danny Coady
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Thanks
Dan...


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From gennari@universe.net.hawaii.edu Fri Apr 28 13:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Gas milage per tank survey

Hi again,

I know this question is relative to how, where and under what conditions one drives, but 
how  many miles do you get out of your Hawk after you fill the tank? I seem to be 
averaging around 75 miles per tank. 

Thought I would be getting better results but I ride about 65% street miles and 
35% highway miles. I always use the expensive gas, in case this makes a difference on
milage (i know it makes the engine run smoother).

Thanks,
Scott Gennari

------------------------------------------------------------------
University of Hawaii                      voice (808) 956 5392
Dept. of Information & Computer Sciences  fax   (808) 956 3548
2565 The Mall, Keller 304A               
Honolulu, HI 96822                        email gennari@Hawaii.Edu



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From gennari@universe.net.hawaii.edu Fri Apr 28 13:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Oil question

Hi all,

I've had my '88 Hawk for a month now and have some questions about oil. What brand/grade
oil are you all using? What should I stay away from? So far I've been using Pennzoil
GT Performance 20W-50 (with Z-7 (??)). 

I tend to wind the engine more that I probably should but I like to use engine breaking 
when I can (effective and sounds cool). So I may need an oil that can retain is 
composition at high temperature in the warm climate of Hawaii.

I also noticed some oil on the crankshaft casing (yikes!!). The appearance of the oil
residue was correlated with adding a slightly different type of Pennziol a couple weeks
ago. Before that there was no oil residue anywhere. Any ideas or things I should check?

Thanks,
Scott Gennari

------------------------------------------------------------------
University of Hawaii                      voice (808) 956 5392
Dept. of Information & Computer Sciences  fax   (808) 956 3548
2565 The Mall, Keller 304A               
Honolulu, HI 96822                        email gennari@Hawaii.Edu



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From gennari@universe.net.hawaii.edu Fri Apr 28 14:05 PDT 1995
Subject: How fast does your Hawk go?

Me again,

So, what is the maximium velocity you have brought your stock Hawk to? 

I got my '88  Hawk up to 120 mph but backed off cause, well, I chickened out. I still 
had some throttle left and had about a 20 mph front quartering wind. The ironic thing 
was I was on my way to a Motorcycle Safty Course. Doh! 0:) 

The 5-lane highway was desserted (Sunday morning 7 am) and had about a 2 mile straight 
and level run.

Aloha,
Scott Gennari
------------------------------------------------------------------
University of Hawaii                      voice (808) 956 5392
Dept. of Information & Computer Sciences  fax   (808) 956 3548
2565 The Mall, Keller 304A               
Honolulu, HI 96822                        email gennari@Hawaii.Edu



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From kutaka@hubble.IFA.Hawaii.Edu Fri Apr 28 14:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: headlight problem 

Had the same problem after my halogen burned out at 47K miles. After
looking at the schematics , and taking resistance readings with a meter,
there seemed to be about 3 ohms of resistance in the wires. 3 ohms may not
seem like a lot to a high voltage, but to 12 volts, it can represent a serious
drop resulting in not enough current (amps) to turn on a high load like a
lamp (it seems to run at over 4 amps).  The big hassle was finding the location
of increased resistance. The lights are basically part of a three-harness system
connected by multi-pin connectors. Each costs quite a bit (over $80) so I wasn't
going to buy the harnesses. Cleaning the connector pins didn't help, but jig-
gling one connector onthe inside of the right spar under the tank turned the
light on.  This was the point of the higher resistance. Cutting a small, thin
piece of brass shim stock (copper would work) and wedging it  between the
appropriate mating pins increased the contact and therefore decreased the
resistance in the headlight circuit. Hope this helps.

Claude Kutaka
kutaka@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu                  (808)956-8106 - phone
kutaka@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu                 (808)988-9137 - fax
"I'd rather ride an ordinary bike than drive an extraordinary car!"


> I hope ther is somebody who can help me. My headlight is really goofy. It 
> has a problem of turning off by itself. Sometimes it doesn't turn on when 
> I turn the key to the bike, sometimes it turns on right after the bike 
> fires. Somtimes, it will just turn off while i'm riding and later turn 
> back on. I've checked the bulb and the connections at the headlight but 
> they seem to be O.K. Switching from low to high beam doesn't help either. 
> They both don't work when the headlights off. I've checked the fuse and 
> aalso the low-high swith at the lever, but that looks O.K. too. I can't 
> read the wiring diagram to save my life, so I don't know where and what 
> to look for. I try to avoid riding at night, because I'm afraid the 
> headlight won't work. Please help me, I can't afford $42 an hour for a 
> mechanic.

> Thanks,
> Jae


------------------------------

From ireplogl@woodstock.abbott.com Fri Apr 28 15:05 PDT 1995
Subject: what octane gas to use?

Scott's questions remined me of one of my own; the owner's manual says that 87  
octane gas is fine.  Is that true, or do you get knock?  What octane gas is  
best?  What about fuels with ethanol?  Any problems?


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From Gumby647@aol.com Fri Apr 28 15:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?

     Scott,

   I don't know the actual speed but I can pull 17 F 41 R sprocket
combo to the revlimiter at Daytona

                                                               Gumby


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From Gumby647@aol.com Fri Apr 28 15:36 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: headlight problem

   Jae,

  The problem is in the starter button. When pressed the starter 
button kills the headlight. Some times the contacts in side corrode,
all you need to do is take the switch apart and clean it.


                                                              Gumby


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From Gumby647@aol.com Fri Apr 28 15:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?

    I agree with Doug, If the conversation goes through the list we can
all add our experiences and learn from everyone elses.

                                                       Gumby


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From jel@walker.com Fri Apr 28 16:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re[2]: Suggestions for maxi-Hawk?


>Please conduct this conversation on the hawkgt mailing list! I have 
>similar interests as Karl and would like to hear what you have to say. 
>I'm sure there are others on the list that are interested also.

Actually, this is one mailing list that I'm on where it seems like alot
of the answers to questions that people pose are not reposted to the
list but are actually sent straight to the "post-er".  I think this is
very unfortunate because I have interest in alot of the questions.  So
I'll add to Doug's response by asking that people post their all their
answers to the list unless otherwise inappropriate.  We don't, after 
all, take up that much bandwidth. 

Jeff Leveroni
     



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From JPlott@aol.com Fri Apr 28 16:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Tanks, again.

Count me in...!!!!!!

John  

Jplott@aol.com


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From GTRider9@aol.com Fri Apr 28 17:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Gas milage per tank survey

I have experienced a wide range of fuel efficiencies with my Hawk GT.  My all
time low for a tank was 87 miles (80 mph into a Wyoming headwind) while my
all time high was 165 miles one time in Nevada (unfortunately the next gas
station was another 15 miles down the road.)  Average is 135 to 150 on a
tank; I usually hit reserve at 115.  All I know for sure is that my mileage
is pretty good until I hit about 3/4 throttle; beyond that I start thinking
I've got a hole in my tank or something.


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From GTRider9@aol.com Fri Apr 28 17:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: what octane gas to use?

I have gone so far as to mill 0.030" off of my cylinder heads (raising the
compression to 10:1) in the search for more power.  I haven't found any extra
ponies, but I haven't experienced any knocking or pinging either.  I think
the Hawk motor will accept about any kind of gas you want to use, including
the 14% alcohol we have some places here in Colorado.


------------------------------

From GTRider9@aol.com Fri Apr 28 17:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?

Keep in mind that your speedo is at least 10 to 15 mph optimistic at 100!


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From gennari@universe.net.hawaii.edu Fri Apr 28 18:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?

> 
> Keep in mind that your speedo is at least 10 to 15 mph optimistic at 100!
> 

Really? Why so? Defective speedometer on the Hawks?

Scott Gennari
gennari@Hawaii.Edu


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From GTRider9@aol.com Fri Apr 28 18:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: headlight problem

Gumby:
Thanks for the tip on the headlight problem--I had my light go out one time
last year.  I stopped and checked everything I could think of, to no avail.
 About 40 miles later, it came back on, and it has worked fine ever since.  I
have a driving light mounted next to the headlight on my machine, so I had a
 backup available, but now I know where to go to fix the problem.

By the way, has anyone else noticed that there is a small block-off plate
just above the starter button on the Hawk switch assy?  If you pop it out
there is a slot that I used to locate the miniature slide switch that I use
to operate the aforementioned driving light.  I assume that non-US models
have a headlight on/off switch there.


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From cscops2@cscops2.Ebay.Sun.COM Fri Apr 28 18:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?



All the more reason to question that cop who claims I was doing 
90!! ;-)

Kev-

> From GTRider9@aol.com  Fri Apr 28 17:59:38 1995
> From: GTRider9@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 20:43:30 -0400
> To: gennari@universe.net.hawaii.edu, hawkgt@dsea.com
> Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?
> Content-Length: 74
> 
> Keep in mind that your speedo is at least 10 to 15 mph optimistic at 100!
> 


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From amail.amdahl.com!james.lyau@juts.ccc.amdahl.com Fri Apr 28 18:50 PDT 1995
Subject: RE: Paint

 

> > hey does anyone out there know where i can get my hands on some blue
> > touch up paint?  i was just informed by my loc. that he cant get any
> > for me b/c the bike is too old.
>
>   My brother-in-law is painting my '90 tank (you know, with the rare
>   red paint option) and bought his paint from Colorrite (?).  They
>   feature OEM motorcycle paints and do sell touch-up pens.  I picked up
>   their card at Marcus Dairy last weekend and have it at home.  I'll
>   post their number and address Monday.
>
>   The cost was expensive compared to car paint.  Something like $40 a
>   PINT with a tax number...

Yep, that paint can cost a pretty penny or two!  I had to get two pints of red
so my RC-30 fairing would be the same color as the bike.

--
James Lyau                "Ride Red"                 DoD #771  DGIF 1717
jpl10@amail.amdahl.com                             jpl10@DUTS.amdahl.com
past: '85 Interceptor 500, present: '89 RC-31 Hawk GT, future: '9X RC-45
  "Your stories have grown tiresome."  -  Dieter, from "Sprockets," SNL


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From gennari@universe.net.hawaii.edu Fri Apr 28 19:05 PDT 1995
Subject: HawkGT mailer problem

Hi all,

Justing sending a test message to hawkgt@dsea.com but I keep getting
a load of error message back. The original post makes it but then
I get replicates with a host of error messages attached.

This looks like a job for the HawkGT mail-list admin!

Scott Gennari
gennari@Hawaii.Edu


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From alan@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu Fri Apr 28 20:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:Milage/top speed/oil

Scott, 
Not many hawk riders around hawaii are there?  Well to answer your
questions about milage 75 sounds about right.  I ride mostly around town
and on the freeway and I go about 75 miles before hitting reserve.  The
worst mileage I've ever had was 70 but that was all town miles packing
someone.  As far a oil is concerned I really like 10-40 Honda synthetic. 
Before I ran 10-40 regular honda 
vintage but I didn't care for the clunky shifts and false neutrals. 
Despite being a rev freak, and I too engine brake a lot (I run a Muzzy and
the throttle popping makes quite a ruckus) synthetic 10-40 suits me well. 
The engine has yet to overheat on me, though I hate it when I'm stopped in
traffic and the fan clicks on and blows all this hot air on me.  Unless you
intend on racing during the summer 10-40 will be fine.  Don't bother with
top speed over here though, there arent enough straights to open it up
anyway.  I've hit 125 with the throttle pinned on the upper part of Nimitz
Hwy but I didn't enjoy looking down at my speedo. Of course I didn't enjoy
looking at the shrinking tailights of my friends as they pulled away
either.  After your MSF finishes try an easy a ride up St. Louis Heights
and Pacific Heights Rd.  Its in the sweepers and twisties where your Hawk
will outperform the CBRs and GSXRs not the straights.  

Later
Alan



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From rawlins@cig.mot.com Fri Apr 28 20:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Re:  Tanks, again.

> 
> My fiance and race team partner has a spare, mildly dented, tank.  It 
> doesn't have a gas cap though.  We probably would be willing to share if 
> it wasn't too much trouble.  Where are you located?  What do you actually 
> plan on accomplishing?  What do I/We get out of the whole deal 8-)?
> 
> Best address to reply to me directly is: d_welder@award.com
> 
> Dean. (and Karen)
> '88 Red - for sale
> '89 Blue RC31
> '89 Red RC31
> 
> 

Dean (and Karen),

Thanks very much for the offer of the tank.  At this point we don't need 
one as I'll likely use mine as the first one.  If this changes, however, 
I'll let you know and we can work something out.

I'm located in Glendale Heights Illinois (near Chicago and no I'm not 
a gangster :) :)  ).

What do we plan on accomplishing?  That's tough to answer at this point,
but if there are enough people who are willing to spend the money on a 
larger steel tank, we'll start by modifying mine.  Then we'll determine 
a price and go to town doing it for everyone else.

I'd really like to put together a fiberglass tank, but it's way too much
work unless a lot of people want one.  If there IS enough interest, (a big
if at this point) then we'll build a few and test them to see how they work 
out.  I refuse to sell something that's going to, as one guy put it "Spill 
gas all over from a tipover in the garage".  All in all, the steel tank is
much more likely to happen.

Be aware that fiberglass tanks would be for RACING USE ONLY and are 
likely not even legal for street use.

Rob Rawlins     (rawlins@cig.mot.com)           90 Yamaha FJ1200
                                                90 Honda  HawkGT
DoD# 1172                                       81 Suzuki PE400


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From rawlins@cig.mot.com Fri Apr 28 20:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re:  Tanks, again.


If you're seriously interested in a larger tank, be sure and
let me know.  The more people respond, the more likely this 
project is to happen.


Rob Rawlins     (rawlins@big.cot.cod)           90 Yamaha FJ1200
                                                90 Honda  HawkGT
DoD# 1172                                       81 Suzuki PE400


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From wroof@ns1.netside.com Sat Apr 29 08:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: headlight problem

>battery connection as suggested by RP, try this.  If anyone else knows how
>the kill switch and headlight are connected, please post it - I want to know
>for next time.
>

Looking at the wiring diagram, a problem in the kill switch would result in
a bike that runs or doesn't. The starter switch could cause headlight
problems, since it shuts off the headlight then you engage the starter. When
the starter button is NOT pressed, you should have continuity between the
blue and white wire and the black and red wire.

Dave Roof    "That's too far to go in a car!"

wroof@mail.netside.com  w.roof@genie.geis.com [Yane]  '85 K100RT [Waltraude]
West Columbia SC  BMWMOA 68743  HRCA  Conebutt  CORT  '88 Hawk [Jason]



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From CEB5@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Sat Apr 29 09:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Oil question

>Hi all,

>I've had my '88 Hawk for a month now and have some questions about oil. What
> brand/grade
>oil are you all using? What should I stay away from? So far I've been using
> Pennzoil
>GT Performance 20W-50 (with Z-7 (??)).

Scott,
Honda's GN4 20W-50 seems to give me the best shifting of anything
I've tried so far.  Honda's HP4 10W-40 seems to make the tranny
very notchy and clutch grabby when hot.  Actually aside from
some Yamalube 20W-50, which was the same as the GN4 in performance,
I haven't tried any others.

My 2 cents,
Chuck
'88 Black


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From MEL1523@ACS.TAMU.EDU Sat Apr 29 13:35 PDT 1995
Subject: Headlight Problem


;I hope ther is somebody who can help me. My headlight is really goofy. It 
;has a problem of turning off by itself. Sometimes it doesn't turn on when 
;I turn the key to the bike, sometimes it turns on right after the bike 
;fires. Somtimes, it will just turn off while i'm riding and later turn 
;back on. I've checked the bulb and the connections at the headlight but 
;they seem to be O.K. Switching from low to high beam doesn't help either. 
;They both don't work when the headlights off. I've checked the fuse and 
;aalso the low-high swith at the lever, but that looks O.K. too. I can't 
;read the wiring diagram to save my life, so I don't know where and what 
;to look for. I try to avoid riding at night, because I'm afraid the 
;headlight won't work. Please help me, I can't afford $42 an hour for a 
;mechanic.

I had this same problem.  If you look carefully at the wiring diagram, you 
can see that the circuit for the headlight (high and low) goes through the 
starter switch.  It does this so when you start it, the headlight goes out 
to help the battery.  In mine the connection had gotten dirty, so I cleaned 
it and it's fine.  To see if this is your problem...next time the light is 
out when it should be on, jiggle the starter switch and see if you can get 
it to come on.  If so, you can take apart the switch assembly and clean the 
contacts.  Worked for me.

 - Mitch Loescher
   '88 gray




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From NT650Hawk@aol.com Sat Apr 29 17:51 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?

0-death in less than 6 seconds.....That's fast enough.


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From goodmat@freenet.columbus.oh.us Sat Apr 29 20:35 PDT 1995
Subject: F2 front wheel

 I've heard people say that putting a wider front wheel on the was the
best thing they've ever done (usually in a race or street squid context).
Is this true? If so, why? Please, spill your guts.

 Is it also true that this wheel bolts in right in place of the Hawk wheel
(I'm assuming the F2 spacers would have to be used)? Does the Hawk disk
bolt on in place of the F2 and line up correctly with the caliper?

 BTW, I'm referring to just the wheel, not the entire front end of the F2.

Thanks. 


Mat/OH




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From GTRider9@aol.com Sat Apr 29 21:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?

I don't know if I'd call the Hawk speedometer defective...let's just say that
there are two ways for a manufacturer to make a bike seem fast, (1) actually
make the bike fast, and (2) make the speedometer read fast.  In the case of
the Hawk GT, Honda used approach (2).  Actually, most Japanese bikes have
optimistic speedos, and Hawks do run pretty well for what they are--a 650cc,
3-valve per cylinder, 2-cylinder, four stroke.  My Hawk is every bit as fast
as my GS650G 4-cylinder was, mostly because it is a full 100 lbs lighter.
 But if your machine will actually do 120 mph into the wind with throttle
left over, I want to buy it!


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From GTRider9@aol.com Sat Apr 29 22:20 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: F2 front wheel

A wider front wheel is a big improvement.  It slows down the steering a
touch, but it allows the use of a front tire having a profile more compatible
with the rear.  With the stock wheels and tires I was running the front tire
clear over to the sidewall while the rear still had a good inch left to go;
with a 3.5"  front rim width and a 120/70ZR-17 Sportmax radial (160/60ZR-17
on the rear) I have all the lean angle I want for the street with both tires
showing about  3/8" of unused tread on each side.  The bike rides better with
the radials and is less nervous with the slowed steering.  Plus if you're
running the stock exhaust, the lower profile of the rear tire means you can
get the rear wheel off without removing the muffler.

I sent my wheel to Kosman and had it widened 1" ($350) rather than use the F2
wheel because I like the looks of the stocker.  The widened wheel leaks no
air whatsoever, but you have to loosen the rotor bolts to get the caliper on
and off.  I can also tell you that the front axles of the Hawk and the F2
have the same part#.

Happy cornering!
Dave  



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From ddc10@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 23:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: How fast does your Hawk go?

On Sun, 30 Apr 1995 GTRider9@aol.com wrote:

> I don't know if I'd call the Hawk speedometer defective...let's just say that
> there are two ways for a manufacturer to make a bike seem fast, (1) actually
> make the bike fast, and (2) make the speedometer read fast.  

Well, considering the amount of legal trouble a motor company would be in 
for making a speedo read SLOW, I hardly think Honda did that just to fool 
us into thinking the Hawk is faster than it is.  If you read just about 
any road test, 4-8 mph top-end error is common, if not required, on ANY 
bike, from Ducati to Harley- although I don't know why they bother on 
Hogs- can they break 55, anyway?

>  But if your machine will actually do 120 mph into the wind with throttle
> left over, I want to buy it!
> 
Ditto.  Perhaps if you towed it behind a Cessna....

DC



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From CXTurbo@aol.com Sun Apr 30 10:05 PDT 1995
Subject: Paint...

To: Victor.A.King@Dartmouth.EDU (Victor A. King)

Color Rite Distributing
P.O. Box 93605
Pasadena, CA 91109

If they can do up "Pearl Altair White" (choke) for my slug, they can do what
you need.  Ain't cheap though.  Luck.

CXTurbo
cxturbo@aol.com


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From rmorgan@cam.org Sun Apr 30 12:53 PDT 1995
Subject: Hawk-less

I'm sorry to report that after five great years of Hawk ownership, I sold 
my '88 last Thursday. To those of you who asked about buying the Corbin 
saddle separately, it went with the bike.

I've told the new owner about this group, so hopefully he'll join in the 
online fun. I'm sure he's already enjoying the onroad fun!

I'll be taking delivery of a 1982 Laverda Mirage 1200 this Thursday 
night. 

Keep the rubber side down everyone and make sure you wave at the silver 
Mirage!

- Rob


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From Sothis1@aol.com Sun Apr 30 13:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Mailing list

I am interested in being placed on your mailing list.  I have a genuine
interest in motorcycles. 

Thanks.


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From micah@SIRIUS.COM Sun Apr 30 15:06 PDT 1995
Subject: HawkGT Homepage

I know, I know...It's been posted several times, but will someone please 
post the URL for the HawkGT homepage?  I can't seem to find it.  Much 
appreciated. 


Kim




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From James.C.Monberg@dartvax.dartmouth.edu Sun Apr 30 17:35 PDT 1995
Subject: hawk speedo light

Hi there!

I am seriously looking at buying a hawk and this list was recommended by a
friend and (Hawk rider) as a suitable litmus test for this deal.

First me: I've been riding for almost 5 years and my experience ranges from
sportbikes(FZR) to a cruiser(Maxim). I am looking for a bike with some
character and a healthy amount of performance for carving it up on
sundays...but, I don't way to pay too much for this muffler.

the Bike: '88 Gray,  a serious neophyte found this gem with 12K, mint
condition, supertrapp, progressives, corbin, stainless steel front brake lines,
and targa fairing for $2000 cash. He is pretty scared of it and has offered it
to me for $2500. Aside from the questionable moral aspects, the bike also needs
new rubber (it has old looking michelins) and a new right side mirror (he broke
off the old one and scraped the bar end while trying to park it -- i guess
those fixed brick dorm buildings can come out of nowhere :)). It also has a
non-functioning speedo light -- how hard is this to fix??? That's it for the
bike.

I realize the price is high -- not exorbitant maybe but I am used to getting
very good deals. Oh well, I am convinced the hawk has some character my past
rides have been missing and am anxious for any and all feedback!! Thanks ahead
of time for the sage advice.

jamie

ps. any info on fixing the speedo/dash light would be much appreciated too!!


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From JPlott@aol.com Sun Apr 30 17:50 PDT 1995
Subject: Re: Re:Milage/top speed/oil

Scott and Allan,  This is coming from an "old timer" over here on the "BIG"
island.  I used to ride my BSA 500 Thumper up the old Pali Pass road to the
look out.  Once a year they even had a(n) SCCA scantioned hill climb on that
road.  Great riding.  St. Louie Hts. was also a nice place to play.  Going up
to the College on the back roads  (read- residential) was also fun.  However,
meeting a police car going the wrong way on Alamoana (sp) Blvd. was not so
nice.  New Years eve, 1958 - HASP had a 48 hour talk with three of us. Today
I use Mobil 1 15W-50 year around here in Florida in all my scooters and
autos.  It eliminates all of the "clunk" in shifting.   My ST-1100 has a
speedo that is 5 miles an hour optimistic, and the Hawk is right at 15 miles
an hour optimistic at all speeds above 40..

John
JPlott@aol.com        89 Red Hawk
                               93 Red St-1100
                               84 Red Nighthawk
                               83 Blue CB1100F
                               78 Red CB-750F



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From TK900@aol.com Sun Apr 30 18:35 PDT 1995
Subject: mailing list

Please except this letter as a request to be put on your mailing list.  I am
a 10 year veteran in the honda motorcycle repair field and welcome anyones
questions or info on this subject.  Thanks, tk900@aol.com


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End of Hotrod Digest Tue Jan 23 10:11:46 PST 1996